Spell Czechers' views on Dyslexia

gaf1983

I have to say that sometimes I do get annoyed when I read something with poor grammar and/or spelling. However, what annoys me more, on boards.ie or any other forum for that matter, when a contributor, instead of discussing the subject matter of the post, launches an attack against the poster's spelling. Do these people not take into account that:

1. Some people may suffer from dyslexia, and so are more prone to making spelling mistakes than others.

2. Some people on discussion boards just post in a complete rush without going through what they've written with a fine-tooth comb so these spelling mistakes are simply that, mistakes, not an indication of one poster's inferiority to another.

smemon

here here

Hagar

I am aware of a couple of posters with difficulties and as one of the dreaded SC I make it a point of honour not to take the p1$$ out of these people. I think I can safely say the same on behalf of the other SC gang.

We only have a bit of fun at the expense of those who should know better. A lot of the time we are scoring points, as it were, off each other rather the general public.

Not everyone who picks holes in other people's grammar is an SC. There are a lot of amateurs out there.


/edit Sneaky spelling fix. Nobody will notice...

Ag marbh

gaf1983 wrote:

I have to say that sometimes I do get annoyed when I read something with poor grammar and/or spelling. However, what annoys me more, on boards.ie or any other forum for that matter, when a contributor, instead of discussing the subject matter of the post, launches an attack against the poster's spelling. Do these people not take into account that:

1. Some people may suffer from dyslexia, and so are more prone to making spelling mistakes than others.

2. Some people on discussion boards just post in a complete rush without going through what they've written with a fine-tooth comb so these spelling mistakes are simply that, mistakes, not an indication of one poster's inferiority to another.

I agree with this. The only inexcusable time is blatent txt spk I think

SpAcEd OuT

i agre i tink spell czechrs r stupid n dat we shud get rid of em

HelterSkelter

I think people who attack a contributor's spellings do it when them theyselves have a weak arguement.

the Guru

I agree some of the posters on are complete dicks, when it comes to grammar and spelling, they got bullied all there life, and now it's there turn to give abuse back hiding behind their computer screens.

I ask ? would they be so confrontational if they in public , I DONT THINK SO

Agent Smith

grammar nazi's imho

SoupyNorman

I'll just throw in the words 'order' and 'chaos' there!!!!

Fighting Irish

gaf1983 wrote:

I have to say that sometimes I do get annoyed when I read something with poor grammar and/or spelling. However, what annoys me more, on boards.ie or any other forum for that matter, when a contributor, instead of discussing the subject matter of the post, launches an attack against the poster's spelling. Do these people not take into account that:

1. Some people may suffer from dyslexia, and so are more prone to making spelling mistakes than others.

2. Some people on discussion boards just post in a complete rush without going through what they've written with a fine-tooth comb so these spelling mistakes are simply that, mistakes, not an indication of one poster's inferiority to another.

:werd:


people who attack other people for bad spelling/grammar (especially on the net) are fu(king losers



kthxbye

jesus_thats_gre

gaf1983 wrote:

However, what annoys me more, on boards.ie or any other forum for that matter, when a contributor, instead of discussing the subject matter of the post, launches an attack against the poster's spelling.

It is a simple as this.. The people who do this are basically complete C O C K S .

Fighting Irish

Ag marbh wrote:

I agree with this. The only inexcusable time is blatent txt spk I think

IF U DNT LIKE TXT SPK DEN DNT READ IT :rolleyes:

Vokes

gaf1983 wrote:

1. Some people may suffer from dyslexia, and so are more prone to making spelling mistakes than others.

If thats the case and their post is riddled with spelling mistakes, they should use a spell checker.

Ag marbh

Fighting Irish wrote:

IF U DNT LIKE TXT SPK DEN DNT READ IT :rolleyes:

Do you want a fight?

biko

I remember there used to be a thread in Feedback? about SC and dyslexia.

OP, do you have any examples on incidents where SC would have come down too hard on someone?

Personally I hate when people use bad grammar/txt spk when spell checking is available on the "Reply to Thread" page.

This kind of posting is BAD:

Hey u.....no stalker here.....if im planning to stalk sumone.... LOL anyways.....im all grow up now so i wanna jump him !!!!!! JK...or nope ...... maybe.....u never know.....hmmm maybe i should upload my pic here next time......well this guy name is Alan.......if this is his real name......he works in a mobile phone in Sandyford........ thats the lastest i know from him.........he is @ his early 30s.....goshhhhhh havent seen him for 8 years...... why u people think im so desperate to see if anyone can help me out?.........Biko....really appreciate your help......u sounded like a nice person haha......PM me if you guys want to.......if i cant find him....maybe i will jusz go over there and hang out.....lata!

Pherekydes

Not to be too facetious about a fairly serious problem, but Dyslexia affects about 6-8% of the population, while the prevalence of poor spelling and grammar is much higher. Typos are to be expected, but many people misspell deliberately; they think they look cool.

Fighting Irish

Ag marbh wrote:

Do you want a fight?

id jus kik ur ass


but do you know what i mean? if you don't like something don't look, if theres something sh1t on one TV station.....do you complain or change the channel?

Pherekydes

Hagar wrote:

Not everyone who picks holes in other people's grammer is an SC. There are a lot of amateurs out there.

Time to fall on your sword, perhaps?

Or at least resign from Spell Czechers?:p

Oriel

Don't blame me just because I'm better than you Just learn to fcuking write.

Ag marbh

Fighting Irish wrote:

id jus kik ur ass


but do you know what i mean? if you don't like something don't look, if theres something sh1t on one TV station.....do you complain or change the channel?

When you're following a thread or just reading someones query that may sound interesting by the title until you get inside and realise its written in txt spk. Txt spk is just pure laziness and not a result of dyslexia or anything.

Dirk Gently

These people annoy me too but I've since found out that some of them are sad star trek lovers like me and this saves them from my wrath.

Still though, read my sig Nazis.

Fighting Irish

Ag marbh wrote:

When you're following a thread or just reading someones query that may sound interesting by the title until you get inside and realise its written in txt spk. Txt spk is just pure laziness and not a result of dyslexia or anything.

as long as you are not hurting anyone i don't see why people can't do what they want, if boards wasn't an irish site it would be total sh1t, too many people making up stupid rules

Zapp Brannigan

The only things that annoy me are grammar mistakes.
For instance: There - refers to a place
Their - is possessive
They're - They are
also
Your - possessive
You're - You are

Spelling mistakes happen all the time but there really is no excuse for bad grammar if english is your first language.

Ag marbh

Fighting Irish wrote:

as long as you are not hurting anyone i don't see why people can't do what they want, if boards wasn't an irish site it would be total sh1t, too many people making up stupid rules

Well you cant hurt anyone over the internet but yet alot of annoyances exist. I personally don't know anyone who enjoys reading txt spk.

Oriel

There are people with dyslexia out there yeah, but most of the rest of you don't show any signs of true dyslexia, just sheer fcuking laziness.
I work in a dyslexia-related environment, so don't accuse me of being rash here.

Fighting Irish

Ag marbh wrote:

Well you cant hurt anyone over the internet but yet alot of annoyances exist. I personally don't know anyone who enjoys reading txt spk.

i agree its stupid, but its not hurting anyone and its just as easy to read, maybe not for the older generation

the Guru

Ag marbh wrote:

Well you cant hurt anyone over the internet but yet alot of annoyances exist. I personally don't know anyone who enjoys reading txt spk.

I agree totally.

nesf

The dsylexia issue is odd. A few points:

a) Txt speak is a no-no on here. I and the other mods don't have the option of not reading it.

b) There is a line, if you cannot communicate via the written word (as in on here), it's a very big problem. The odd misspelling etc is different to this, but posts which are unreadable will be challenged etc. You cannot expect people to say nothing if they cannot make out the general meaning of the post!

c) People who nit pick grammar are very rude generally. There are times when it's "ok" but to post only to correct someone's spelling and/or grammar is just plain acting the prick. But, Spell Czechs(sp?) is different tbh. It's just a bit of messing going on in a private forum.

d) Someone who is merely a poor speller can claim to be dyslexic online to save them the bother of having to spell check their posts. I imagine that few would be this callous, but they have been known to exist.


In general, on a forum I moderate, if I see someone nit picking someone else's grammar I'll warn them, or ban them if it continues. Nitpicking over a single or a few small mistakes is just plain rude. The problem is, I view it as totally justifiable for someone to complain about a very poorly spelt post. (I find poorly spelt posts extremely hard so I sympathise to an extent). Where do you draw the line between these? I don't know, but tbh this is a written medium, if your posts are extremely poorly spelt and yet you don't do other the courtesy of using a spell checker then I think you're open game tbh.

The Real B-man

Im Dyslexic and i use spell checkers all the time or it would look like a 4yr old wrote this

nesf

Fighting Irish wrote:

i agree its stupid, but its not hurting anyone and its just as easy to read, maybe not for the older generation

You can get banned for using it on here and most of the forums on this site. So, it's a bad idea to use it.

Dirk Gently

Do the spell czechers not realise that they themselves are more annoying and disruptive than the people who make errors in their posts. I don't really enjoy reading text speak and a post with a lot of errors can be a little bit annoying but to drag an interesting thread off topic for some petty point scoring really is the most annoying thing for me. There's more to life than spelling. It's the message that’s important, not the fact that every word is spelt correctly.

Do you pm each other little gold stars every time you catch someone out. Spelling is just not as important to the rest of us as it is to you and you have no right to force us into making it a priority if we’re happy with the state of most people posts as they stand.

Fighting Irish

nesf wrote:

You can get banned for using it on here and most of the forums on this site. So, it's a bad idea to use it.

thank god i don't use it then this place is getting way to strict

ST*

gaf1983 wrote:

I have to say that sometimes I do get annoyed when I read something with poor grammar and/or spelling. However, what annoys me more, on boards.ie or any other forum for that matter, when a contributor, instead of discussing the subject matter of the post, launches an attack against the poster's spelling. Do these people not take into account that:

1. Some people may suffer from dyslexia, and so are more prone to making spelling mistakes than others.

2. Some people on discussion boards just post in a complete rush without going through what they've written with a fine-tooth comb so these spelling mistakes are simply that, mistakes, not an indication of one poster's inferiority to another.

Can you quote an example please?

I've come across people with dyslexia who type just fine on a post because they take their time about it and spell check. Refusing to spell properly and blaming it on that in a place like this isn't the best of excuses.

As for the rest, the amount of common errors on these boards is insane. People should absolutely know that "might of/could of/would of" is never EVER acceptable, and that there is a difference between "been" and "being".
I don't care how pedantic that makes me - confusing two completely different words like that just because you are lazy is just wrong.

There is no need for posting with speed on this forum, generally speaking, which means you don't have so much of an excuse of "I typed it in a rush" either. Taking a few extra seconds to read back over a post makes all the difference and is appreciated.

Oh an incidentally, I have no notions of being "superior" to someone else just because I correct spelling and grammar. I do it to educate people, it's not malicious. If I get annoyed or irritated, it's because I can't believe how widespread some mistakes are and the sheer apathy of the people concerned.

I would also appreciate in return, since we're on the subject, not to be snapped at for pointing out that a post is completely illegible. If I'm telling you I can't read a post, it means I can't read the damn post.

gaf1983

biko wrote:

OP, do you have any examples on incidents where SC would have come down too hard on someone?

No, not on boards.ie, but I noticed that a friend of mine in college who I emailed would always have loads of mistakes in his responses, and I had thought it was just bad spelling/laziness on his part, but then someone mentioned to me that he has dyslexia, so people can jump to the wrong conclusions sometimes.

ST*

gaf1983 wrote:

No, not on boards.ie, but I noticed that a friend of mine in college who I emailed would always have loads of mistakes in his responses, and I had thought it was just bad spelling/laziness on his part, but then someone mentioned to me that he has dyslexia, so people can jump to the wrong conclusions sometimes.

That is what the SC forum was created for, so members do not offend anyone..

nesf

gaf1983 wrote:

No, not on boards.ie, but I noticed that a friend of mine in college who I emailed would always have loads of mistakes in his responses, and I had thought it was just bad spelling/laziness on his part, but then someone mentioned to me that he has dyslexia, so people can jump to the wrong conclusions sometimes.

Tbh mate, if he had loads of mistakes in his responses then he's still in the wrong. That he can't take the time in an email to spell check is just plain rude to the recipient. Having dyslexia is not an excuse for having a lot of mistakes in something that you can spell check easily (ie. there is a huge difference between a written letter and an email when it comes to dyslexia).

gaf1983

nesf wrote:

c) People who nit pick grammar are very rude generally. There are times when it's "ok" but to post only to correct someone's spelling and/or grammar is just plain acting the prick. But, Spell Czechs(sp?) is different tbh. It's just a bit of messing going on in a private forum.

I suppose my opening-post* is aimed against these types of people. But then what exactly is the Spell Czechers' role? Is it just to tell people who are obviously too lazy to write properly to cop on?



*Or should that be OP? So are acronyms for internet terms allowed but the shortening of everyday words as is done in txt spk not?

elekid

bluewolf wrote:

As for the rest, the amount of common errors on these boards is insane. People should absolutely know that "might of/could of/would of" is never EVER acceptable, and that there is a difference between "been" and "being".
I don't care how pedantic that makes me - confusing two completely different words like that just because you are lazy is just wrong.

The one that really gets me is when people say something like "I have more then you" instead of "I have more than you". I don't know how people are getting "then" and "than" confused and I have only noticed it happening in the last year or so, but it seems to be quite a common mistake these days.

I hate text speak too, I usually ignore posts written in text speak because they are too much effort to try to read. I never even use it in texts.

I really don't mind the odd spelling mistake or little bit of bad grammar as long as I can still read the post and understand what was being said. I always re-read my own posts before I click submit and even then I often find mistakes in them once I go back and read them in the thread

nesf

gaf1983 wrote:

I suppose my opening-post* is aimed against these types of people. But then what exactly is the Spell Czechers' role? Is it just to tell people who are obviously too lazy to write properly to cop on?



*Or should that be OP? So are acronyms for internet terms allowed but the shortening of everyday words as is done in txt spk not?

*cough* OP= original poster *cough*


SC's role is, in my opinion, a bit of fun. It's members have no right to correct people's mistakes on here and are afforded no special right to do so.


The whole internet terms versus txt spk debate is a complicated one. Personally, I think there is a huge difference between an acronym like tbh or lol and dropping letters from words like spk, rtd or txt. However, culturally, one belongs here and one doesn't (AOL speak is a seperate language which is not related to the other Internet linguistic groups).

Hobbes

sinecurea wrote:

Don't blame me just because I'm better than you Just learn to fcuking write.

You left out a full stop and its spelt "fucking".

If your going to be anal about spelling and grammer, then you need to be all the time.

Although the SC forum helps keep the possible chances of upsetting someone on another forum to a minimum.

Dirk Gently

bluewolf wrote:

I've come across people with dyslexia who type just fine on a post because they take their time about it and spell check. Refusing to spell properly and blaming it on that in a place like this isn't the best of excuses.

As for the rest, the amount of common errors on these boards is insane. People should absolutely know that "might of/could of/would of" is never EVER acceptable, and that there is a difference between "been" and "being".
I don't care how pedantic that makes me - confusing two completely different words like that just because you are lazy is just wrong.

There is no need for posting with speed on this forum, generally speaking, which means you don't have so much of an excuse of "I typed it in a rush" either. Taking a few extra seconds to read back over a post makes all the difference and is appreciated.

Oh an incidentally, I have no notions of being "superior" to someone else just because I correct spelling and grammar. I do it to educate people, it's not malicious. If I get annoyed or irritated, it's because I can't believe how widespread some mistakes are and the sheer apathy of the people concerned.

I would also appreciate in return, since we're on the subject, not to be snapped at for pointing out that a post is completely illegible. If I'm telling you I can't read a post, it means I can't read the damn post.

That's an absolutely amazing post wolfy.

You complain about people snapping at you while writing a snappy post directed at the people who snapped at you originally.

You claim not to be superior but at the same time have an obsession to educate people. The same people you called monkeys on crack in the original version of your post which you edited, probably because you wrote it in a rush. You then go on to tell people not to rush their posts and read over them before posting.
The use of could of / would of / should of is not important to I would say nearly everyone except the die hard ( I'm not superior, I'm just educating you crack monkeys) people such as yourself.

The only bit of advice I would give you is read your own sig. You don't come across as either understanding or compassionate.

Oriel

Hobbes wrote:

You left out a full stop and its spelt "fucking".

If your going to be anal about spelling and grammer, then you need to be all the time.

Although the SC forum helps keep the possible chances of upsetting someone on another forum to a minimum.

it's
you're
grammar

All the time, OK.

ST*

gaf1983 wrote:

I suppose my opening-post* is aimed against these types of people. But then what exactly is the Spell Czechers' role? Is it just to tell people who are obviously too lazy to write properly to cop on?

They aren't allowed to openly 'attack' someone any any forum they wish, nor can you tell anyone to 'cop on'. Members have nothing against anyone who is dyslexic, or typing errors. They are against laziness.

nesf

clown bag wrote:

You claim not to be superior but at the same time have an obsession to educate people.

Since when has educating someone been about being superior?

clown bag wrote:

The use of could of / would of / should of is not important to I would say nearly everyone except the die hard ( I'm not superior, I'm just educating you crack monkeys) people such as yourself.

It is annoying. When I'm reading a post and I see it, it bothers me. And I'm most definitely not a die-hard grammar nazi! (observe the mistakes in the last line for proof.... )

smashey

The reason our forum is private is to stop any ill feeling. I can't see why it has become such an issue, especially to those people who don't have access and therefore don't know what goes on. Most of the time, we are snapping at each other and it is a bit of fun.

the Guru

I ask ? would they be so confrontational if they in public , I DONT THINK SO

I certainly would, especially given the confrontational nature of your post.

Yook

Someone write a spelling/grammar checker mod for vBulletin, problem solved.

Crucifix

Yook wrote:

Someone write a spell checker mod for vBulletin, problem solved.

On a similar thread a while ago I think someone mentioned a firefox plug-in that was a spell checker for text boxes.

Dudess

I could be wrong, but I'd say some people with dyslexia might get very hurt when someone criticises their posts. Think, people! To be honest, spelling and grammar errors annoy the **** out of me, but some people who may not have dyslexia might still have difficulty in this area. Fair enough. I'm crap at maths. It's not always easy for people to remember the difference between "then" and "than", "who's" and "whose" etc. Although mixing up "your" and "you're", "their", "there" and "they're" and using "should of" instead of "should have" irks me.

Dirk Gently

"Since when has educating someone been about being superior?"

It's not her place to forcibly inflict her perfection on other less perfect "monkeys on crack" as she put it originally.

How would we feel if the Catholic Church insisted on emailing everyone about how they should run their life? They have no right unless help is asked for, just like wolfy has no right to take it upon herself to educate people unless they invite her to do so. I find the snotty corrections more annoying than the original errors and feel I have as much of a right to complain about the self appointed educators as they do to complain against the ignorant masses. I’m sorry if I’m picking on poor Bluewolf here but I took exception to her post as I found it to be completely hypocritical and illogical. I felt the same frustration reading her post as I’m sure she feels reading other peoples.
Anyway live and let live, we’re not at school here. Apologies to Bluewolf if she feels victimised, it wasn’t my intention, just wanted to put my point across in the same forcible way as she put hers. Maybe to see how the shoe feels on the other foot.

ST*

clown bag wrote:

How would we feel if the Catholic Church insisted on emailing everyone about how they should run their life?

Religon / correct spelling and grammar. Not a good comparison in all honesty. Members of boards.ie come from various religons I would imagine, but most of which are using the one language. And now SC members are running peoples lives for them? In fairness, that is a bit over the top.