were to put a dual rad on stacker ?

Cuddlesworth

There are reasons why nobody uses 2 rads, it degrades performance.

gline

krazy_8s wrote:

There are reasons why nobody uses 2 rads, it degrades performance.

does it? i never saw that info anywhere
i always use 2 rads in most my setups

Cuddlesworth

Cause's a pressure drop which degrades pump and flow performance.

gline

krazy_8s wrote:

Cause's a pressure drop which degrades pump and flow performance.

if you have a decent pump it shouldnt make hardly any difference if any

awhir

are you talking about to sperate rad or a dual rad.

po0k

Two rads stacked on each other, one layer of fan(s) on top blowing/pulling air through.
I would've thought thatif they're the same rads, the fins would line up and you would'nt get (a drastic) pressure drop.

Thanks for answering my query Krazy-8.

awhir

do you mean it like that rad or two diffrent rads in a case in diffrent place ????

po0k

No.
Think sandwich.
1 240x120mm rad, stacked on another 240x120mm rad with a pair of fans blowing air through both of them. In the stacker, to put them on the bottom would probably mean losing any PCI slots you have and possibly the 2nd PCIe x16 slot.
They could be on the one loop, or two seperate loops - if ye all meant water pressure.
I use the term "chained" to describe 2 or more rads in one wc loop. Apologies for any confusion.

awhir

ok tnx m8.

DemonOfTheFall

http://dangerden.com/e107_plugins/content/instructions/movies/stacker.wmv

Nuff said...

awhir

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

http://dangerden.com/e107_plugins/content/instructions/movies/stacker.wmv

Nuff said...

wtf looks like wrong link

po0k

http://syxpak.com/files
Go there, and right-click-save-as on the file stacker.wmv

awhir

nice 1 man tnx.but whats that stuf they put on the side.

gline

awhir wrote:

nice 1 man tnx.but whats that stuf they put on the side.

velcro

awhir

can you get that in malpin or pc world or in a shop in galway ???

gline

awhir wrote:

can you get that in malpin or pc world or in a shop in galway ???

i dont know tbh, never seen it in a pc store before, it usually comes bundled with stuff, like the thermaltake bigwater gives u a bit.
i dont know where you'd get a roll of it

Cuddlesworth

I'm not sure of the full reasons for the dual rad thing, but my rough understanding is that the pressure in the tube(small space) and the pressure in the rad(big space) are different. The pump has to force water from high to low to high againn and this can cause a strain when it has to do this twice. It affects flow which affects waterblock performance. I suppose if you are not working with a high flow system like me (which I might be selling soon) you may not care about flow rates. But if it degrades performance more than a second rad will give you then whats the point? Its amasing what you learn when you try to fix a houses heating system.

Also I have some velcro tape lying around my house, but its a third the size of that stuff.

awhir

just ordered a

DangerDen Maze4 Acetal Top StandardProfile GPU Block
Swiftech H20-220 Apex "Ultra" Watercooling Kit
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 4 7.1 EAX Sound Card
Acoustic Energy Aego M 2.1 Speakers

me so excited.

DemonOfTheFall

My link works for me

po0k

gline wrote:

i dont know tbh, never seen it in a pc store before, it usually comes bundled with stuff, like the thermaltake bigwater gives u a bit.
i dont know where you'd get a roll of it

Hickey's.

Ask YORE.MA. tbh, it's fairly common.

gline

SyxPak wrote:

Hickey's.

Ask YORE.MA. tbh, it's fairly common.

i didnt think the stuff in hickeys had a sticky back
usually the velcro in material shops is just for sewing onto things and not for sticking on stuff

conzy

Here is an installation video.... they are installing a Danger Den Kit but it should help with your install.

Part 1 right click me and click save

Part 2 right click me and click save

After watching it I really want to get some WC gear!!!

Pity I dont need it:(

P.s [n00b watercooling question]In the video the guy connects the outet of the pump to the inlet of the cpu block, I thought the pumps inlet was supposed to be connected to the rad, to remove any heat that the pump may have added?
[\n00b watercooling question]

awhir

conzymaher wrote:

Here is an installation video.... they are installing a Danger Den Kit but it should help with your install.

Part 1 right click me and click save

Part 2 right click me and click save

After watching it I really want to get some WC gear!!!

Pity I dont need it:(


P.s [n00b watercooling question]In the video the guy connects the outet of the pump to the inlet of the cpu block, I thought the pumps inlet was supposed to be connected to the rad, to remove any heat that the pump may have added?
[\n00b watercooling question]

tnx m8.you may need it for conroe if you are getting it

Cuddlesworth

conzymaher wrote:

P.s [n00b watercooling question]In the video the guy connects the outet of the pump to the inlet of the cpu block, I thought the pumps inlet was supposed to be connected to the rad, to remove any heat that the pump may have added?
[\n00b watercooling question]

This really comes into the same fold as 2 rads on the same loop. You can hook the loop up like that, but it will degrade performance. On the other hand its water cooling and it will still be better and much quieter than a high end air solution.

gline

krazy_8s wrote:

This really comes into the same fold as 2 rads on the same loop. You can hook the loop up like that, but it will degrade performance. On the other hand its water cooling and it will still be better and much quieter than a high end air solution.

and the difference may only be 1-2 degrees
check this site out.. pretty good
http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/wbsum.asp

some blocks only preform a tiny bit worse with pressure drop

gline

krazy_8s wrote:

This really comes into the same fold as 2 rads on the same loop. You can hook the loop up like that, but it will degrade performance. On the other hand its water cooling and it will still be better and much quieter than a high end air solution.

lol, he also uses 2 rads in the danger den installation video
so it cant be all that bad

conzy

Thanks lads.

Am I right in thinking that the freezer 64 pro would perform better than a crap WC setup such as this or this

And how much would a decent (not uber high end silver plated) custom WC setup cost? ~€150?

And If I got a decent heater core from a car would it perform better than a standard WC rad?

And Finally, where is a good place to gather info about watercooling and to buy water cooling parts?

I might treat myself over the summer If I have enough money from work.......:)

Sorry for hijacking your thread awhir:D

gline

www.alphacool.de are good for watercooling gear

conzy

What would this kit be like?



Looks great for €125 inc vat:)

Cuddlesworth

Depends on the block and pump. As I said before low flow setups dont see performance drops to any large degree. And a good pump with loads of Gmp will make all the difference. Still phase beats the bollox out of it.