Dealers Shafted by Pokerevents

Norwich Fan Rob

a lot of what, ifs and maybes in this thread, would be good if Fintan came on to give his side of things.
from a playing perspective, these tourneys are excellent.
most of the dealers i was talking to seemed to be in good form.
would be good if someone could 100% clarify the whole tips things, in case i ever win one of these yokes, would be good to know.

Hawk Eye

Kimba wrote:

Pamela's idea of being nice, is to tell the dealers they are finished and then laugh at them. Her idea of being organised, is to order people where to go. I dont think i heard a please or thank you out of her the whole weekend.

Is this the one with the curly hair and the low cleavage? I really wouldn't want her as my boss either.

5starpool

Hawk Eye wrote:

Is this the one with the curly hair and the low cleavage? I really wouldn't want her as my boss either.

She sounds nice the way you describe her

I think I know who you are referring to though and can't say I know her more than to see.

Hitman Actual

pppspecial wrote:

lenny im full time and have made 2 final tables this year in ranking events.irish open jan 061k entry and austrian open bregenz2k entry ive also travelled for the last 6 months playing poker full time so before u open ur trap door mate find out who your talking 2.

OK, so you can play, fair enough. Nothing in any of your posts indicated that. But coming on here and posting what appeared to be an insult to a regular, and who's also known by a lot of the players here isn't a good way to introduce yourself. If it's a joke between yourself and Mike, you could always learn to use smilies. Also, text speak sucks. Very hard to read.

ditpoker

JTheViper wrote:

Yesterday at the €300, on the food break dealers were told to stay at tables till punters had got their food. When the dealers were told you can eat now, Guess what, all hot food finished by punters and stale sambos left for the staff.

i wonder if anyone at PE even thought this was a tad unfair...

JTheViper wrote:

With regard to your comment about pro's coming over. I overheard a conversation from the pro's about why some had come over and there was a good turn out from them. Why? They heard that there was a bigish buyin tourney in dublin where a very good portion of the field had qualified for through live satalites and were complete fish! People qualifing for 65 - 300 euro and they could not pass up that offer!

yea, this is spot on. heard this too.

JTheViper wrote:

There should have been a min call out fee. A friend of mine was sent home after 1 hr and 45 mins and they didn't even give him the €20, They had a €20 note and asked if he had €2.50. He didn't, "well you showed up a bit late, here is €15."

I over heard this and was shocked... cant remember who said this but how ridiculous - if i was saying this to someone i would feel stupid....

JTheViper wrote:

Dealers prize: Fintan said that he would be taking €1000 out of his own pocket to have a comp for the dealers ( not too confident that this will even happen). Most helpful etc. The people who got loads of work will win this = Galway dealers who were put up in the hotel and favoured and didn't complain about being shafted. Dealers who have more responsibility because they helped bring tables down and took things to and from the vans and organised chips ect will win, not the ones who showed up and dealt the tourneys politely and courtiously and kept a smile on there face like fintan said. I will be shocked if anyone from dublin even finds out who won the prizes.

I will be very surprised if anyone from Dublin sees a penny of this. I asked jokingly where a nomination form for best dealer was on sunday, and was told by pam that it had been decided already! with one day to go? the remaining day by the way was the only day not very well attended by Galway staff. Surely best dealer should go to dealers who acquitted themselves well infront of the players, not infront of Fintan. JTheViper, you dealt a large amount of the main event, i was called away from a SNG to deal the main event by Donal, this would suggest that they considered us to be good dealers, but i missed the first two days so pretty sure i havent a hope of getting a penny for this. As for the the tips from the main event they SHOULD be split evenly amongst each and every dealer.. they will not be, they are done on a time basis. I'm still owed tips for the Ulster Cup, as is my mate, when my mate asked about tips he was told that "all the tips from cavan have been given out and there's no money left so sorry there's nothing i can do for you" (this was followed by a "well go and f**k yourself then" and a very angry mate walking off ).

JTheViper wrote:

Finally, If the numbers that were expected were not achieved Then it is a problem between fintan and Boyle. He/PE/Boyle should take the hit for f***ing up and pay the dealers anyway for the amount of hours promised.

Minimum call out... dealer contracts... DEALER CHARTER THINGY!!!!

Kimba

I worked 15 hours over 3 days and received 150 euro. (No tips have been mentioned yet). I gave up my full time job to do this weekend, where i could of earned a lot more. I was approached by Stephen weeks ago and asked to do this event and was told that there would be as many hours as i wanted. The lack of numbers obviously affected this but when i worked for ppp all dealers were guaranteed 100 euro just for showing up. Twice i showed up and got sent home and twice i had to stay and deal but it was done fairly. I was still paid regardless.

Luke did run the charity event but had nothing to do with the recruitment of staff. He done this is a favour to Padraig and had nothing to do with Pokerevents themselves. He was also asked to provide dealers and brought 7 with him. These were all sent home shortly after arriving.

I have been on the poker scene in Dublin for 6 years now and have never experienced such bad management as far as the dealers go. Nothing was fair
at all. This is not the only event i have worked for them either, but it will be the last!

As for the 1000 euro out of Fintan's own pocket for the dealers, this is the first i've heard about it.

pppspecial you must be a friend of the heirarchy to defend them the way you have. They may have done good for Poker in Ireland from a players point of view, but certainly not from the dealers. Try speaking to a few dealers who were there, who didnt get to work.

Dani

ionapaul

I'd say Fintan is fairly wrecked after the weekend he's had and probably night on the beer last night so I imagine he might not see this thread until tonight or tomorrow. It will be interesting to hear his response - from a player's point of view I think his tournaments are very well run.

MrPillowTalk

If ppp = Dave Masters? then having played a fair bit with him recently I can assure everyone his comment re:Mike was in jest, think we need to turn on the auld sarcasometers.

I personally think PE do a good job of bringing people outside dublin into the game, the standard of dealing at their events isnt great but saying that the standard at the Irish open was attrocious. As regards treating dealers badly, I would be worried if the tips werent making it to the dealers as I have allways tipped when Ive had a cash with them.

Doctor Fell

ionapaul wrote:

so I imagine he might not see this thread until tonight or tomorrow.

"Pokerevents" was logged into the poker forum for at least half an hour this morning, from about 12.40 onwards. The thread was in full swing by then, don't know how he could miss it. I'm sure coz I was waiting to see would he reply or not. I assume Pokerevents is Fintan?

ntlbell

ionapaul wrote:

It will be interesting to hear his response - from a player's point of view I think his tournaments are very well run.

Interesting? I doubt it.

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Norwich Fan Rob

pokerevents is Fintan and pppspecial is dave masters, theres some covers blown for ya

ntlbell

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

pokerevents is Fintan and pppspecial is dave masters, theres some covers blown for ya

Break some real news Rob!

5starpool

Dave Masters is the quintessential 'Mr PokerEvents player' in my mind anyways, and I can't ever imagine him saying anything bad about them. This is also because he probably believes there is nothing wrong with them in th first place. And I am not saying there is (legal disclaimer).

I am sure I have a point in this post, just not sure what it is.

ollyk1

ionapaul wrote:

I'd say Fintan is fairly wrecked after the weekend he's had and probably night on the beer last night so I imagine he might not see this thread until tonight or tomorrow. It will be interesting to hear his response - from a player's point of view I think his tournaments are very well run.

That doesn't mean they treat their staff brilliantly Paul.

From reading this and other threads there seems to be an issue in how PE treat non core/ non-regular dealing staff. The issue of the tips and the dealer game for the tips were cleared up by Fintan a few months ago on boards when he posted that this practise had ceased (he cleared it up definitively with no ambiguity on the subject to his credit). In relation to people who feel they were shafted in respect of past events or past tips he didn't say anything but that's between them and the employer tbh. He confirmed the practise had ceased and I take him at his word.

I've had some peripheral experience of the attitude of poker events towards part-time staff when they were commencing operations some time ago and can't say I'm a tiny bit surprised to hear that they don't really give a sh1t how they are perceived by casual staff for irregular big events. I personally knew this from day one and maybe its harsh to say it but people are being very naive if they thought they were going to be well treated as casual employees by pokerevents.

In the same way I know if I work one day or 100 days for Luke Ivory or GJP I'll get every penny I'm owed and more. Luke once held onto a €20 tip for me for three months and as soon as he saw me again paid it to me. No need for me to remind him (to be honest I'd forgotten it because I knew he'd pay me what I was owed).

I think its safe to say PE take the view that they will get sufficient students etc. in the future who will jump at the opportunity to earn some quick cash so they don't need to worry about treating people well. Only time will tell if this is correct.

As a casual dealer you have a choice as to whether or not you wish to work for someone. If you learned how to treat yourself with respect in terms of who you agree to work for and under what terms you are willing to work and how to stand up for your rights well you got something pretty valuable from this experience Kimba. Use that knowledge.

ntlbell

5starpool wrote:

I am sure I have a point in this post, just not sure what it is.

I see your point, I'm worried.

carrigeen

Rob,

We all know that ppp is dave and poker events is fintan I dont know what cover that blows Dave is fully entitled to his opinion about PE and it is one which I fully concur with and yes I am a friend of Fintans but only through getting to know him through his pokerevents company. I believe he and his company have done more for tourny poker in this country than any one else and his and GJP are by far and away the most professional companies running poker events in Ireland at the moment.

Anyway thats not the reason for this post, the following is

NTL Bell posting a picture of Saddam very good I hope the other broadsters will be as quick to shoot him down as they were to what was obviously a joke by pppspecial. Your well out of order.

Also I have no doubt that fintan will reply and the fact he was logged on earlier and didnt what does this imply give him a chance.


Bit of fairness wouldnt go a miss NTL

ntlbell

carrigeen wrote:

Anyway thats not the reason for this post, the following is

NTL Bell posting a picture of Saddam very good I hope the other broadsters will be as quick to shoot him down as they were to what was obviously a joke by pppspecial. Your well out of order.

Also I have no doubt that fintan will reply and the fact he was logged on earlier and didnt what does this imply give him a chance.


Bit of fairness wouldnt go a miss NTL

It's not Saddam.

I got Dave's Joke.

Mine was funnier.

Fairness is what I think the dealer's here are discussing, or the lack of.

Kimba

ollyk quote/ as a casual dealer etc

LMAO!

Gholimoli

ntlbell wrote:

It's not Saddam.

I got Dave's Joke.

Mine was funnier.

Fairness is what I think the dealer's here are discussing, or the lack of.

LMAO,
this is some funny sh1t right here.

Norwich Fan Rob

i know 90% of the people know who fintan and dave are, just clearly it up as a few in this post seemed confused.

brianmc

Kimba wrote:

ollyk quote/ as a casual dealer etc

LMAO!

I think he may have meant casual in the "available to hire" sense (which would be correct?).

If I've guessed correctly who you are then I expect you knew all that he was trying to say anyway.

Hitman Actual

carrigeen wrote:

NTL Bell posting a picture of Saddam very good I hope the other broadsters will be as quick to shoot him down as they were to what was obviously a joke by pppspecial. Your well out of order.

Well, it wasn't obvious tbh.

Apologies to Dave anyway, I jumped the gun a bit. I actually played in a Fitz final table against him a few months back and was impressed. I even mentioned him in my blog! http://www.redmurray.com/blog/?p=13

cardshark202

ollyk1 wrote:

As a casual dealer you have a choice as to whether or not you wish to work for someone. If you learned how to treat yourself with respect in terms of who you agree to work for and under what terms you are willing to work and how to stand up for your rights well you got something pretty valuable from this experience Kimba. Use that knowledge.

Olly, you may not realise that Kimba is a very experienced dealer.

ollyk1

brianmc wrote:

I think he may have meant casual in the "available to hire" sense (which would be correct?).

If I've guessed correctly who you are then I expect you knew all that he was trying to say anyway.

Was I not clear?

I've worked for some assholes in my time and some very good people. I didn't work for the assholes for long and they knew what I thought of them very quickly.

I didn't bother my ass whinging afterwards I just didn't repeat the mistake. Lesson learned and as a little energy wasted on the experience as possible.

ditpoker

ollyk1 wrote:

I think its safe to say PE take the view that they will get sufficient students etc. in the future who will jump at the opportunity to earn some quick cash so they don't need to worry about treating people well. Only time will tell if this is correct.

sadly i think this may be true, but i hope not.

ollyk1

cardshark202 wrote:

Olly, you may not realise that Kimba is a very experienced dealer.

Just to be crystal clear.

Casual = available for occasional work. No conclusions were drawn about anyone's dealing ability or experience which I took as being more than competant from the start.

I must start covering my posts in legalise so I'm not misinterpreted in the future.....:(

My post was to make the general point - lets not be naive about PE, everyone around town knows the story about how they treat occasional staff and yet people fall for it every time.:eek:

ntlbell

lenny_leonard wrote:

I even mentioned him in my blog! http://www.redmurray.com/blog/?p=13

This is when you know you've hit the big time

ianmc38

ntlbell wrote:

It's not Saddam.

I got Dave's Joke.

Mine was funnier.

I agree. I laughed much harder at NTLBells joke.

Although Carrigeen calling him Saddam was pretty funny too.

Saddam



Baghdad Bob


FWIW i didn't realise ppp was dave m either.

5starpool

I didn't know who pppspecial was, but I do now and it helps me contextualise his posts.

Also, I believe that is Chemical Ali is it not (think so anyways), Saddams former spin doctor, hence the pun. I got the joke in pppspecials post about Mike, same as I got NTLBells one.

ionapaul

Once Fintan replies, this thread might be more appropriate in the 'Work / Jobs' forum than the 'Poker' one - honestly.

brianmc

Homer wrote:

I get jokes

.

5starpool

ionapaul wrote:

Once Fintan replies, this thread might be more appropriate in the 'Work / Jobs' forum than the 'Poker' one - honestly.

Sop trying to ruin the fun.

ocallagh

ollyk1 wrote:

I didn't bother my ass whinging afterwards I just didn't repeat the mistake.

I don't agree with this. Employers with a high staff turnover rate get away with murder and unless someone stands up for themselves nothing will change.

IMO the dealers should at least get travel expenses and the first 2 or 3 hours of pay regardless of whether they work.

I enjoy going to Pokerevents games. I think they're well run and I'm sure this can be worked out.

Culchie

5starpool wrote:

I didn't know who pppspecial was, but I do now and it helps me contextualise his posts.

Also, I believe that is Chemical Ali is it not (think so anyways), Saddams former spin doctor, hence the pun. I got the joke in pppspecials post about Mike, same as I got NTLBells one.

When did NTLBell decide to start telling jokes?

ocallagh

ntlbell wrote:

This is when you know you've hit the big time

I have tears in my eyes!!

you're on a roll today!

5starpool

Culchie wrote:

When did NTLBell decide to start telling jokes?

It's the way he tells'em.......

ntlbell

Culchie wrote:

When did NTLBell decide to start telling jokes?

After I got to see your hole cards for two hours!!!

Hitman Actual

5starpool wrote:

I didn't know who pppspecial was, but I do now and it helps me contextualise his posts.

Also, I believe that is Chemical Ali is it not (think so anyways), Saddams former spin doctor, hence the pun. I got the joke in pppspecials post about Mike, same as I got NTLBells one.

Seeing as it was a bank holiday weekend, Tuesday has replaced Monday as my hangover day, so jokes are not my strong point today (either making them or getting them!).

Hitman Actual

ntlbell wrote:

This is when you know you've hit the big time

LOL, you're in that blog entry too, for the team event!

Edit: Apologies to Kimba for semi-hijacking this thread with my righteous bulls**t!

ollyk1

ocallagh wrote:

I don't agree with this. Employers with a high staff turnover rate get away with murder and unless someone stands up for themselves nothing will change.

IMO the dealers should at least get travel expenses and the first 2 or 3 hours of pay regardless of whether they work.

I enjoy going to Pokerevents games. I think they're well run and I'm sure this can be worked out.

This exact same thing happened last year. People read the posts on boards. Careca for instance. He still went and worked for PE this year thinking it would all be worked out. It clearly wasn't. I don't think it'll change.

The events will still go ahead and they will continue to be a success. That's my opinion.

P.S. There are plenty of examples of bad employers who are highly sucessful and run a very good business. They don't want to change.

smurph

ianmc38 wrote:

:rolleyes:

With blouses attached lmfao:D

cardshark202

ollyk1 wrote:

This exact same thing happened last year. People read the posts on boards. Careca for instance. He still went and worked for PE this year thinking it would all be worked out. It clearly wasn't. I don't think it'll change.

The events will still go ahead and they will continue to be a success. That's my opinion.

P.S. There are plenty of examples of bad employers who are highly sucessful and run a very good business. They don't want to change.

Well some people would expect things to have improved. They are also told lies by their prospective employer so I think blaming the dealers is a bit much.

5starpool

I for one will be giving up poker until the situation has improved and I expect others to do likewise. Strike action is the only way to go.

P.S. I fully expect this to be resolved by Thursday when I will resume my poker playing.

Lafortezza

Can we tone the pics/jokes/OT banter down a little, this thread is already big and it'll probably get way bigger once Pokerevents gets a chance to read it and reply to all the people who aren't happy.

ollyk1

cardshark202 wrote:

Well some people would expect things to have improved. They are also told lies by their prospective employer so I think blaming the dealers is a bit much.

Jebus Reggie are you deliberately trying to bait me or something??

I'm not blaming the dealers. I'm 100% on the dealers side. I do think they were naive but thats not their fault. I'm trying to explain to people that it doesn't matter whats said by PE in the future a leopard isn't going to change its spots. Don't fight the tide etc. etc.

I didn't post this in last years thread becasue I thought people would know this themselves. Obviously not.

ollyk1

5starpool wrote:

I for one will be giving up poker until the situation has improved and I expect others to do likewise. Strike action is the only way to go.

P.S. I fully expect this to be resolved by Thursday when I will resume my poker playing.

Only one poker player I know has ever done this on a dealers behalf. I doubt the dealer in question even knows the person has done this or has taken similar action on their own behalf. Makes you think....

5starpool

ollyk1 wrote:

Only one poker player I know has ever done this on a dealers behalf. I doubt the dealer in question even knows the person has done this or has taken similar action on their own behalf. Makes you think....

I believe I know who you refer to, I may even have been the one to tell you. I have no idea if the (former) dealer knows. It'd be a dark day when I would resort to this.

ollyk1

5starpool wrote:

I bleieve I know who you refer to, I may even have been the one to tell you. I have no idea if the (former) dealer knows. It'd be a dark day when I would resort to this.

You did. That's because you are a junkie with no morals or principles! (Me too )

cardshark202

ollyk1 wrote:

Jebus Reggie are you deliberately trying to bait me or something??

I'm not blaming the dealers. I'm 100% on the dealers side. I do think they were naive but thats not their fault. I'm trying to explain to people that it doesn't matter whats said by PE in the future a leopard isn't going to change its spots. Don't fight the tide etc. etc.

I didn't post this in last years thread becasue I thought people would know this themselves. Obviously not.

I see what you're getting at it was just the tone of your post seemed to be more of a tough shít type post than a sympathetic, PE are crap employers type post you would expect from a person on the dealers' side.

And don't worry I'm not trying to bait you.

I have often meant to go up and play some PE tournaments but haven't been able to. This thread amongst others has put me off them to be honest.

ollyk1

cardshark202 wrote:

I see what you're getting at it was just the tone of your post seemed to be more of a tough shít type post than a sympathetic, PE are crap employers type post you would expect from a person on the dealers' side.

And don't worry I'm not trying to bait you.

I have often meant to go up and play some PE tournaments but haven't been able to. This thread amongst others has put me off them to be honest.

Ah I see. i have a gruff exterior but I'm cuddly on the inside honest. I'm from the school of tough love......

Hug.


P.S. I too have never played a PE event for this and other reasons.