The Hazards of Belief

Nodin

Food, sex, lesbians and a man in a frock.....

"A Michigan Catholic priest has told guests at a conference this week that gay sex is a little bit like putting a piece of a bagel into your ear."

“What if I just rip open a bagel, I take it, and I cram it in my ear. What would you say?” asked Riccardo.
When eager students would respond “that doesn’t go there,” Riccardo would say “exactly,” adding that in doing so would “ruin your ear canal.”
Riccardo also told attendees he had a family member with a lesbian daughter who was welcomed and not excluded, but the young woman and her partner were not permitted to sleep together in the family home because it was “harmful”.
http://attitude.co.uk/catholic-priest-says-gay-sex-like-cramming-a-bagel-in-your-ear/

He actually mentions Lesbians though, which means he must be some modern progressive type.

Pherekydes

The key thing here is that bagels don't go in your ear. That's a new one on me. I've been eating them all wrong all these (y)ears. :pac:

Nodin

Pherekydes wrote: »

The key thing here is that bagels don't go in your ear. That's a new one on me. I've been eating them all wrong all these (y)ears. :pac:

Indeed.

As he compared gay sex to the bagel in the ear, one can only grieve for his failed sexual experimentation. Whether he was the "bagel" or the ear is none of our business, I suppose.

MrPudding

Nodin wrote: »

Indeed.

As he compared gay sex to the bagel in the ear, one can only grieve for his failed sexual experimentation. Whether he was the "bagel" or the ear is none of our business, I suppose.

Aural sex anyone?


I'll get me coat.

MrP

Nodin

Make sure nothing is within kicking distance, and you've a bucket handy...it's an interview with Cardinal timothy dolan

"Mr Little started the interview by asking Cardinal Dolan about Ireland’s gay marriage referendum.
They then spoke about how, in 2007, Cardinal Dolan, when he was the Archbishop of Milwaukee, sought permission from the Vatican to transfer $57 million into a cemetery trust fund in Milwaukee – out of the reach of victims of abuse in the archdiocese.
In the letter, he wrote: ‘I foresee an improved protection of these funds from any legal claim and liability.’"
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/08/17/a-hard-knock-life/

robindch

Nodin wrote: »

[...] Archbishop of Milwaukee, sought permission from the Vatican to transfer $57 million into a cemetery trust fund in Milwaukee – out of the reach of victims of abuse in the archdiocese.

Good to see Dolan being questioned on it even if he couldn't answer.

Things were different out in California though, where Cardinal Mahony swiped $115 million from the cemetery fund in order to pay for sex abuse claims:

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/09/local/la-me-church-cemetery-fund-20130210

robindch

Sculptures by a renowned Soviet artist on show in central Moscow were smashed after being denounced by Orthodox activists as "blasphemous."

http://www.rferl.mobi/a/27190081.html

Hotblack Desiato

robindch wrote: »

Good to see Dolan being questioned on it even if he couldn't answer.

Perhaps premature to hope that RTE have grown a pair? But it is refreshing to hear our national broadcaster ask a clergyman some hard questions, even if 'faith' and all the horrors which flow from it continue to be unquestionable and indeed promoted by RTE.

pauldla

Christian fundamentalist in Taiwan pulls knife on prostitute, says he wants to 'cleanse her of sins'

The long-term unemployed, 42 year-old man later told police that he heard the Lord telling him during his prayer time three years ago to "cleanse the sins of a prostitute with blood". He went out and bought a fruit knife from a local supermarket for more than 200NTD, but waited all these years to act.

A fruit knife? What of the tools of yore, the Judas cradle, the rack, the Pear of Anguish? They were proper tools of cleansing. This fellow is but an amateur.

Xenophile

Is it possible to be a member of the Humanist Society and at the same time hold the belief that God exists?

Peregrinus

Xenophile wrote: »

Is it possible to be a member of the Humanist Society and at the same time hold the belief that God exists?

In a word, yes, I think so.

If you find your way to this page on the HAI website, you'll find a discussion of "the fundamentals of modern humanism". Not only is atheism not identified as one of the fundamentals, but we find the statement that "humanism imposes no creed on its adherents", which suggests that humanists are not committed to any particular position on religious questions, including an atheist position. We also see that "humanism can be a way of life for everyone everywhere" which, again, suggests that theists are not excluded.

There is in fact a long tradition of Christian humanism, although it's fair to say that the label "humanist" is mostly employed today by non-believers. And I dare say most or all of the HAI members are non-believers. But if you subscribe to their aims and values, I doubt that they will turn you away merely for being a theist.

kylith

pauldla wrote: »

Christian fundamentalist in Taiwan pulls knife on prostitute, says he wants to 'cleanse her of sins'



A fruit knife? What of the tools of yore, the Judas cradle, the rack, the Pear of Anguish? They were proper tools of cleansing. This fellow is but an amateur.

Maybe he thought he'd need the fruit knife for the Pear of Anguish. It sounds like the kind of pear that'd need specialist equipment.

Xenophile

Peregrinus wrote: »

In a word, yes, I think so.

If you find your way to this page on the HAI website, you'll find a discussion of "the fundamentals of modern humanism". Not only is atheism not identified as one of the fundamentals, but we find the statement that "humanism imposes no creed on its adherents", which suggests that humanists are not committed to any particular position on religious questions, including an atheist position. We also see that "humanism can be a way of life for everyone everywhere" which, again, suggests that theists are not excluded.

There is in fact a long tradition of Christian humanism, although it's fair to say that the label "humanist" is mostly employed today by non-believers. And I dare say most or all of the HAI members are non-believers. But if you subscribe to their aims and values, I doubt that they will turn you away merely for being a theist.

Thank you for your detailed reply . I will read the link you sent me!

Nodin

Marriage - a sacred rite, binding man and woman.......

"THE credit card of one a leading figure from the Family Research Council in the US paid for an Ashley Madison account, it has been revealed.

Josh Duggar was named an executive director of the council, which promotes traditional marriage, in 2013.


Millions of users’ details from the site, which was created for those wishing to cheat on their partner, have been leaked online.

The leaked data shows that Duggar’s credit card paid for an account on the site from February of 2013 until May of this year.


A total of $986.76 (€885) was billed to the card by the site.

The conservative lobbying group’s mission statement says it seeks to “champion marriage and family as the foundation of civilization, the seedbed of virtue, and the wellspring of society.”


In May of this year Duggar was forced to resign from his position after accusations surfaced that he had molested five young girls – however the leak shows he paid for the account while serving as executive director"
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/leading-antigay-marriage-campaigners-credit-card-used-to-pay-for-ashley-madison-account-31465244.html

silverharp

Irish American teacher becomes a bride of Christ

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-American-teacher-becomes-a-bride-of-Christ-PHOTOS.html

Indiana high school teacher Jessica Hayes has earned herself quite a tough task in impressing the in-laws by marrying none other that the Son of God, Jesus Christ.


Hayes, 38, is now officially a consecrated virgin, having married Christ in an unusual ceremony that involved her lying prostrate on the altar at the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Fort Wayne, IN.

The theology teacher joins around 3,500 consecrated virgins worldwide, 230 of whom are in the US, who have pledged to never have sex or to marry. Quite a commitment to make to a man who has over 3,500 other wives.

Joined mostly by strangers intrigued by the elaborate ceremony to marry the man up above, the theology teacher sealed her commitment after years of prayer and soul-searching.


“I had been praying about it for years, trying to seek God’s will for my life and not really finding it in any of the paths that I sought before," Hayes told WANE.

silverharp

Interesting observations from an ex christian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CKxfPwLMJk

robindch

Anonymous goes after the big one.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/320639

PopePalpatine

I can't wait to see them hack the Vatican.

Hotblack Desiato

robindch wrote: »

Anonymous goes after the big one.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/320639

Article is 3.5 years old...


Anyway - you'd think they'd be too embarrassed to drag this back up -

Virgin Mary apparitions remembered 30 years on

Apparitions of the Virgin Mary at the grotto in Mount Melleray, Co Waterford, 30 years ago in August 1985 are being marked by evening prayers and processions there all this week and continuing until Monday.

On July 22nd, 1985, it was also claimed a statue of Mary at Ballinspittle, Co Cork, had moved at the grotto.

This sparked huge attendances there and a spate of similar claims of moving statues at about 30 locations across the country. It is estimated that subsequent to July 1985 about 100,000 people visited Ballinspittle in the hope of seeing the statue move.

The messages included a warning that "God was angry with the world and how we must change. If we don't change, then, she said, 'The Devil would take over God's church in 10 years' ."

Almost right I suppose, the abuse deniers and enablers were in charge long before this 'prediction'.

...

Another hazard of belief - getting dug up twice so people can pray in closer proximity to your corpse.

Call for exhumation of 'Little Nellie' to allow faithful to pray

The Bishop of Cork hopes the body of a five-year-old girl who died more than 100 years ago can be exhumed to allow people to pray at her graveside.

Bishop John Buckley has called for the remains of "Little Nellie" (Ellen Organ) to be moved from the grounds of a convent bought by developers in 2005.

The now-derelict Good Shepherd Convent at Sunday’s Well became the property of Ulster Bank and KPMG in 2010. Gaining graveside access required permission from the owners, Dr Buckley said. "They would be reluctant from a security point of view," he said.

Shouldn't they really have sorted that out before cashing in on the boom-time land prices?

robindch

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

robindch wrote: »

Anonymous goes after the big one.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/320639

Article is 3.5 years old...

Oops

Ok, what about this one - Korea goes after the big one

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/korea-assembly-debate-religious-taxes

Atheist Republic wrote:

The Korean government reiterated its plan to impose income tax on religious groups earlier this month. However, the ruling Saenuri Party expressed concerns about introducing religious tax, citing possible protests as a reason. The plan to impose religious tax was included in the draft version of a tax code revision, which was disclosed by the Ministry of Strategy and Finance after it met with Saenuri Party to discuss policy coordination.

“Though the government wants to tax religious groups, the party believes it should consider this move very carefully,” Kim Jung-hoon, the party's chief policymaker, told reporters after the meeting. “We will look into the plan closely ahead of a plenary session at the National Assembly.”

At first, the ministry had planned to charge a four percent tax rate on the total income of religious leaders minus their expenses. Later, the ministry went on to add measures that would ensure that high earning religious leaders pay higher taxes than low earning religious leaders. If the revision receives approval, all churches and temples would be required to submit details about their incomes each year.

While there has been a lot of debate surrounding the taxing of clergymen and monks over the past few decades, little progress has been made with the issue because of its sensitivity. As a matter of fact, the country’s plans for religious tax have been stalled for as long as 47 years. The first director of the National Tax Service, Lee Nak Sun, had planned on taxing religious organizations in 1968 but he did not succeed at the time. In 2014, the finance ministry devised a similar plan once more but it had to back down eventually because of the opposition it faced from various religious organizations. Recently, the government thought of the idea yet again and this time, it hopes to finally implement religious taxes.

A survey last year revealed that 75.3 percent of 1,000 respondents agreed with the idea of religious taxation. While it remains unclear whether religious taxes will eventually be implemented, vice finance minister Joo Hyung Hwan has promised to push for the measure.

“We can't postpone it anymore, considering public opinion,” he said. “The Assembly will make an all-out effort to pass the revision by persuading both the government and the religious institutions.”

recedite

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Another hazard of belief - getting dug up twice so people can pray in closer proximity to your corpse.
Call for exhumation of 'Little Nellie' to allow faithful to pray
Shouldn't they really have sorted that out before cashing in on the boom-time land prices?

Its funny the way they say the land "became the property of Ulster Bank and KPMG in 2010." As opposed to "was flogged to a property developer by the nuns during the celtic tiger era."

So Little Nellie was sent to this industrial school, and died a few months later. While she was there, she developed an uncanny knowledge of RC doctrine. Sounds like a survival strategy to me, which didn't quite work. Not a miracle as such.
Oh wait, they dug her up after a year, and the corpse was as fresh as a daisy. Now that is a genuine miracle. Presumably they took photos of the corpse and everything before reburying it, but the photos were lost.
Actually, this would be a good opportunity to dig it up again and take some new photos. That should keep those Doubting Thomas' quiet.

recedite

Riot in Germany.
An Afghan, a torn Koran and some angry muddafukkas.

Nodin

Chucking the wimmin into the wimminz hut, Nepalese style.
http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2015/BanishedNepal/index.html#16156

recedite

Same old story. They have only superstition, religion, fear and ignorance instead of a basic education.

Links234

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_a9EDSYiKw

robindch

After 2,000 years, Jesus' 40-day record still good:

http://www.africanglobe.net/featured/zimbabwean-jesus-dies-30-days-fasting-fails-break-bible-record/

African Globe wrote:

AFRICANGLOBE – Zimbabwean self-styled Messiah Khulu Reinfirst Manyuka has died from malnutrition after going without food for 30 days when he tried to emulate Jesus Christ and fast for 40 days and 40 nights.

Mr Manyuka, 73, left home on 15 June and headed into the winderness to conduct prayers, redirecting his attention to God, away from things of the earth.

He was known by his family and community at large as a very spiritual person whose faith could move mountains and his death has puzzled those close to him.

One close relative said: “He was a very spiritual man. It’s unfortunate he had to die this way. “After a month we got the sad news of his death. He was a healthy and religious old man who did not even look his age.”

Attempting to equal or break Jesus Christ’s record of fasting for 40 days, Mr Manyuka gave up the ghost after just a month despite having no history of illness. He was alone in the wilderness and his body was found by a stranger who then alerted the police.

According to the police, Mr Manyuka is not the first to die from fasting, as numerous other cases have been reported. A police spokesman said that they are powerless, however, to prevent members of the public from fasting.

seamus

robindch wrote: »

He was known by his family and community at large as a very spiritual person whose faith could move mountains.

FFS. THIS IS HOW RELIGIONS START, PEOPLE!

Mofo's need to be less sensationalist in their reportage.

recedite

Doesn't say which specific mountains he moved.
Maybe they were mountains of elephant dung?
Speaking of wildlife, I'm surprised the jackals or hyenas didn't get to him before he expired. It must be a very "wildlife impoverished" part of Zimbabwe.

Nodin

recedite wrote: »

Doesn't say which specific mountains he moved.
Maybe they were mountains of elephant dung?
Speaking of wildlife, I'm surprised the jackals or hyenas didn't get to him before he expired. It must be a very "wildlife impoverished" part of Zimbabwe.

....no need to mock. The important thing to note here is that mountain moving power evidently does not work in relation to food transportation.

MrPudding

More IS related stuff. Not another hazard, per se, but an interesting piece about feeling bad about inanimate objects being destroyed.

MrP

Nodin

Think this qualifies......

"You may have seen a recent article on Independent.ie about Rosanna Davison, who has written a book called Eat Yourself Beautiful.

“…Although Rosanna agrees that proper sourdough bread is easier on the digestive system, she is a believer in non-coeliac gluten sensitivity, and cites research that shows gluten to be the bad guy responsible for a huge range of medical conditions from autism spectrum disorders to schizophrenia to arthritis.”
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=96699072

Pherekydes

Something of a twitter storm about this at the moment, with Davison blocking numerous users, including doctors and dieticians who question her credentials and research.

Nodin

Pherekydes wrote: »

Something of a twitter storm about this at the moment, with Davison blocking numerous users, including doctors and dieticians who question her credentials and research.

The cheek of them!

pauldla

Nodin wrote: »

Think this qualifies......

"You may have seen a recent article on Independent.ie about Rosanna Davison, who has written a book called Eat Yourself Beautiful.

Eat Yourself Beautiful? I should be Channing Tatum by now, in that case...

biko

Islam destroys another culture relic
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34036644

Palmyra's Baalshamin temple 'blown up by IS'

IS took control of Palmyra in May, sparking fears for the site.
It is considered one of the ancient world's most important cultural centres.

Now gone after 2000 years..

kylith

bastards

marienbad

kylith wrote: »

bastards

Ignorant bastards

Peregrinus

No, I think they know exactly what they're at. Malicious, cynical bastards, but not ignorant.

Nodin

kylith wrote: »

bastards

A group who have no use or utility to human living or progress. It's an ideology that's more like a disease than anything else.

silverharp

Links234 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_a9EDSYiKw

I saw an update of this it was a pro choice guy going for a job interview, he had been couch surfing so had all his stuff with him. the active bomb was a couple of firecrackers he had in a medicine bottle and was found as they had a metal detector.

Hotblack Desiato

recedite wrote: »

Oh wait, they dug her up after a year, and the corpse was as fresh as a daisy. Now that is a genuine miracle. Presumably they took photos of the corpse and everything before reburying it, but the photos were lost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere ?

Nodin

"Discrimination is an extremely loaded word.” (like homophobe, I suppose)

"Barrister Patrick Monahan and David Quinn, of the Iona Institute, spoke with Keelin Shanley this morning on RTÉ Radio One about how children who are not baptised in the Catholic church are being refused access to schools across Ireland.
In relation to this, Mr Monahan is calling for Section 7 (3) C of the Equal Status Act 2010 to be abolished. He has set up a petition which currently has more than 13,000 signatures and he will be bring it before the Oireachtas petitions committee in September.
Mr Quinn believes it’s just an issue of oversubscription."
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/08/27/catholics-come-first/

oldrnwisr

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere ?

Well, more like Incorruptibility.

Religious fanatics, ascetics for the most part have long been associated with incorruptibility. Their lifestyle lends itself to the conditions whereby the body doesn't have a huge amount of body fat and the bacteria start going after other tissues first leaving the outer appearance relatively unchanged.

silverharp

This isnt a parody site is it?


Exorcise Ireland and do it now

http://www.catholicvoice.ie/index.php/71-exorcise-ireland-and-do-it-now

LATEST NEWS
Exorcise Ireland and do it now
Published: 15 July 2015
by Deacon Nick Donnelly
Homosexual activists have succeeded in persuading the ruling elites to use the power of the State, media and big business to successfully campaign for the legalisation of same-sex “marriage”. A government minister of Ireland, one of the most pro-life countries of the world, has announced with satisfaction the killing of 26 babies in 2014 as a result of Kenny’s abortion law.
These are the first ‘legal’ abortions ever conducted in the Republic of Ireland. A majority in the UK House of Commons, that prides itself on promoting feminism, have voted down a motion to protect baby girls from gendercide abortion. No wonder there is a sense among faithful Catholics that moral life is spinning out of control in Ireland and Britain. The question is, does the accelerating abandonment of morality and the riotous celebration of immorality, coupled with increasing hostility towards Christianity, especially the Catholic Church, indicate the activity of supernatural evil in both Britain and Ireland? The most significant evidence that the devil is conspiring to bring these events about is the reversal of public morality, where good is now condemned as evil, and evil is celebrated as good. For example, during the referendum in Ireland good people who defended marriage between a man and woman for the procreation and upbringing of children were pilloried in the media and meetings as wicked bigots.
Faced with the activity of supernatural evil in our countries what should be the response of faithful bishops, priests and laity?

Did the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary fail?
On 15 August 2013, Ireland was consecrated at the Shrine of Knock by the bishops of Ireland to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Since this act both abortion and same-sex marriage have been legalised to popular acclaim. So why didn’t the consecration of Ireland to the Immaculate Heart of Mary bring about the hoped for moral and spiritual transformation?
Looking at the poor defence of the Faith by the bishops when faced with the challenge of abortion and homosexuality one possible explanation for this failure is that the Irish Church was just not in a position to make such a consecration. If reparation for sin was not at the heart of the consecration of Ireland to the Immaculate Heart then the one intention necessary was absent. Reparation for offenses against God’s divine majesty is the fundamental message delivered by Our Lady of Fatima:
"Make of everything you can a sacrifice and offer it to God as an act of reparation for the sins by which He is offended, and in supplication, for the conversion of sinners."
Furthermore the validity of the consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is questionable because not all the bishops of Ireland attended and the prayer of consecration didn’t mention Ireland.
However, the tragedy for both the Irish and British churches is the reluctance of many of the bishops, and priests, to publicly name as grave sin: abortion; co-operation with abortion; homosexual acts, and, support for same-sex “marriage”. Hence the scandal of Catholics politicians who vote for abortion and same-sex marriage continuing to receive Holy Communion. How can you fulfil the obligation of reparation for sins that is necessary for the consecration if you won’t acknowledge the reality of grave sin in our society?
There is a process of national healing based on the words and deeds of Our Lord Jesus Christ which the Church needs to follow: proclamation of the kingdom; exorcism; repentance; atonement/reparation; consecration; catechesis; formation, and, going out into the world to proclaim the kingdom.
First Great Exorcism Conducted in the World
Therefore, I’m convinced that before an effective consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary can take place, the churches in Ireland and Britain need to take seriously the reality of supernatural evil at work in our countries. This is why I consider the news that a Great Exorcism has been conducted for the first time in the world, in Mexico, to be a very significant development for the entire Catholic Church.
It is reported that on May 20th, 2015 the Cardinal Emeritus of Guadalajara, assisted by bishops, priests and an exorcist, conducted a 'Magno Exorcismo' or Great Exorcism in the Cathedral of San Luis Potosí. According to Cardinal Sandoval Íñiguez, the Great Exorcism “is a prayer asking God to drive away the Enemy, to drive him away from these places. From San Luis, first of all, and then from all of Mexico”. His Eminence further explained why he thought it necessary to conduct a Great Exorcism for the Archdiocese of San Luis and Mexico:
“The very grave situation we are living through in Mexico, whose root is very deep, beyond human malevolence; it is the devil, who is very connected to death. He is a murderer from the beginning…violence against young and old…abortions are performed even when it is not legalized, but when a country, a Christian country, legalizes abortion, that is a tragedy. It is a very, very grave sin. It’s time for people to become more aware of the seriousness of the situation in Mexico. Acts of revenge, now occurring between assassins and the government; deaths here, deaths there, and deaths everywhere: this violence is nothing else but the Devil who is tearing us apart.”

Archbishop Cabrero, the Ordinary of San Luis, explained what the rite of the Great Exorcism includes:
“Prayers, for example, about the problem of divorce and of abortion, which often are favored by inhuman laws, laws that go against nature itself. We ask God to free us from the strong presence of the Evil One, that makes itself felt. To do that, we turn to this special prayer, which is certainly extraordinary, but which is nonetheless a Church practice.”
The Archbishop expressed the hope that the Great Exorcism would result in his people knowing, “the dignity of the human person; that we will be able to see how God calls us both to holiness and to become truly conscious of our Christian vocation and of his call to eternal life.”
Father José Antonio Fortea, the world famous exorcist and author of ‘Interview with an Exorcist’ assisted the bishops and priests conducting the Great Exorcism. Fr Fortea told the Catholic News Agency,"this rite of exorcism, beautiful and liturgical, had never before taken place in any part of the world, although it had taken place in a private manner as when Saint Francis (exorcised) the Italian city of Arezzo.”
The exorcist identified the signs of supernatural evil present in a country that require this unique rite of exorcism:
“To the extent there is more witchcraft and Satanism going on in a country, to that extent there will be more extraordinary manifestations of those powers of darkness. To the extent sin increases more and more in a country, to that extent it becomes easier for the demons to tempt people."
However, Fr Fortea cautioned that conducting one exorcism would not be enough to rid Mexico of demonic evil:
"It would be a big mistake to think that by performing a full-scale exorcism of the country everything would automatically change right away. If with the power we've received from Christ we expel the demons from a country, this will certainly have positive repercussions, because we'll make a great number of the tempters flee, even if this exorcism is partial. We don't drive out all the evil spirits from a country with just one ceremony. But even though all will not be expelled, those that were removed are not there anymore.”

pauldla

So why didn’t the consecration of Ireland to the Immaculate Heart of Mary bring about the hoped for moral and spiritual transformation?

The Lord sure does move in mysterious ways, don't he?

We don't drive out all the evil spirits from a country with just one ceremony.

So these is something to be said for another Mass, after all.

robindch

silverharp wrote: »

Exorcise Ireland and do it now!

Sounds like something you'd hear on the rugby fields of Blackrock College.

robindch

Church Inquiry May Pit Pope Against a Popular Bosnian Shrine

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/world/europe/catholic-church-virgin-mary-apparations-medjugorje.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1

New York Times wrote:

From the point of view of the pilgrimage supply chain, it’s been a catastrophe.

PopePalpatine

silverharp wrote: »

This isnt a parody site is it?


Exorcise Ireland and do it now

http://www.catholicvoice.ie/index.php/71-exorcise-ireland-and-do-it-now

I swear there's a couple from t'udder forum who would write this kind of shïte.

BlaasForRafa

robindch wrote: »

Church Inquiry May Pit Pope Against a Popular Bosnian Shrine

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/world/europe/catholic-church-virgin-mary-apparations-medjugorje.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1

Time to get the campaign back up running to upgrade the Holy Stone of Clonrickert to a grade one relic!

Hotblack Desiato

robindch wrote: »

Church Inquiry May Pit Pope Against a Popular Bosnian Shrine

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/world/europe/catholic-church-virgin-mary-apparations-medjugorje.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1

Paywall.