The Hazards of Belief

Shazanne

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

/\ Thats a lot better than molesting kids frankly, maybe they should make this guy a bishop.

In a weird way you're actually right! Not about the bishop bit though

Stercus Accidit

Shazanne wrote: »

In a weird way you're actually right! Not about the bishop bit though

...pope? :pac:

Shazanne

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

...pope? :pac:

Could be better than the one that's there!!!:eek:

vibe666

Shazanne wrote: »

Could be better than the one that's there!!!:eek:

so far from what I've seen, they could reinstate the old pope and he'd do a better job than this new one. they might have to get some of those glade air fresheners, but aside from that he'd be a lot more use.

i can see it now, like a catholic version of "weekend at bernies".

vibe666

on a more sombre note, here's another one of those "I can't believe people can be so stupid as to cause their own kids deaths through blind faith" things that leave you wondering what the feck is wrong with the world.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/baby-starved-to-death-because-he-did-not-say-amen-20100225-p4el.html

robindch

Foreign Policy magazine delivers its verdict on the state of the church in Ireland:

Foreign Policy wrote:

There was a time when Irish Catholics might have been delighted to see the pope lavishing attention on their bishops. On Feb. 15 and 16, however, when Ireland's bishops were at the Vatican to discuss an ongoing child sex abuse scandal, Catholics back home were furious. Catholics were already upset about Pope Benedict's refusal to apologize to the thousands of abuse victims in Ireland or even hint that he would meet with them, as some had requested. But what really set them off seems to have been the images of their bishops kissing the pope's ring.

Photos of the traditional greeting were plastered across broadsheet front pages and TV broadcasts over the following days. These, combined with images of the Vatican's opulent Apostolic Palace -- where the bishops met the pope and senior cardinals -- as well as the regalia of all those elderly men and the complete absence of lay people or any woman, had a profoundly negative effect. The response was unqualified rage. Andrew Madden, the first person in Ireland to go public about his abuse by a priest, described the meetings at the Vatican as "a complete waste of time" and the greatest act of window dressing he had ever seen. Abuse survivor Marie Collins said it was an insult that the resignation of bishops didn't even make the agenda. Additionally, she said it was deplorable that the pope's statement was "so far away from accepting that there was a policy of coverup."

Of course, it's not unusual for bishops to kiss the pope's ring, and the Vatican has always been heavily male and ornate. The difference now is that Irish Catholics, after decades of alienation from the church, are finally nearing a breaking point. Not so very long ago and for the great majority of Irish people, their Catholicism was synonymous with their national identity. To be Irish was to be Catholic. It was something of which most Irish were very proud. In the latter part of the 19th century, the church grew to become the most powerful civic institution on the island, controlling most of Ireland's schools and the greater number of its hospitals. This allowed the church unparalleled influence throughout most of the 20th century in what is now known as the Republic of Ireland. That continued to be the case until the latter decades of the last century when its influence began to wane due to increased affluence and a better-educated population. With the events of the last few years, church leaders can no longer ignore the extent to which they've lost control of Irish society.

The most recent scandal has centered on a series of damning government reports into the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse of children by clergy members. The Murphy Commission report, published last November, found that in Dublin's Catholic archdiocese, by far Ireland's largest, "clerical child sex abuse was covered up" by church authorities from 1975 to 2004. It also found that all four archbishops of Dublin over that period investigated sexual abuse complaints and that many of the auxiliary bishops handled these complaints badly. None of the four archbishops reported their knowledge of abuse to the police "throughout the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s."

The report also found that church authorities used the concept of "mental reservation," which allows clergy to mislead people without being guilty -- in the church's eyes -- of lying, and that, though some courageous priests had brought complaints to their superiors' attention, in general there was a "don't ask, don't tell" policy on the issue. The Murphy report was been the most widely publicized investigation of sex abuse in Ireland, but it wasn't the first, and it won't be the last. The first notorious sex-abuse case in Ireland hit the headlines in 1994, when it was disclosed that church authorities had dealt with a serial abuser, Father Brendan Smyth, by moving him from parish to parish in Ireland, Scotland, and the United States -- over a period of 40 years. The attorney general's mishandling of an arrest warrant for Smyth eventually led to the collapse of the Irish government.

More recently, the Ryan Commission report, published last May, found that thousands of children suffered physical and sexual abuse over several decades in residential institutions run by 18 religious congregations during the last century. To date, almost 14,000 of those victims have been compensated by the Irish state. And the Murphy Commission is currently investigating the handling of clerical child sex abuse allegations in Cloyne diocese and will publish its results by the end of this year. Not surprisingly, the combined effects of these sex scandals have driven Irish Catholics away from the church at a time when many were already drifting away. For instance, according to recent surveys, 43 percent of Irish Catholics attend weekly Mass, a drop of 52 percent since 1973, though still about twice the average for most Catholic countries in Europe.

Meanwhile, fewer and fewer young men are entering the priesthood. For people of a certain age, the very idea of an Ireland without Catholic priests is truly beyond imagination. The bishop of Killaloe, Willie Walsh, recently recalled that of the 50 students in his Leaving Cert class (equivalent to the U.S. 12th grade) in 1952, 20 went on for the priesthood. In 1961, Pope John XXIII even said: "Any Christian country will produce a greater or lesser number of priests. But Ireland, that beloved country, is the most fruitful of mothers in this respect." Almost 50 years later the situation is dramatically different. The archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, has said his archdiocese will soon have barely enough priests to serve its 199 parishes. "We have 46 priests over 80 and only two less than 35 years of age. In a very short time we will just have the bare number of priests required to have one active priest for each of our 199 parishes," he said in November. The average age of Irish Catholic priests today is 63. Members of religious congregations have an average age in the early 70s. Each priest must retire at 75. As the Americans say, you do the math!

But even the lack of priests does not completely explain the falling away in religious practice. That began as far back as the 1960s, when two events heralded the death knell for what has been referred to many times as "the long 19th century of the Irish Catholic Church." Those were the Second Vatican Council, when things apparently immutable for all time were seemingly changed overnight, and the introduction of free second-level education as well as the introduction of state university grants in 1967. Both produced skeptical Irish Catholics, less credulous than previous generations and demanding more sophisticated answers to age-old questions. Those answers were not always forthcoming. In a 2003 article for the Irish Times, Father Vincent Twomey, a retired professor of moral theology at St. Patrick's College who studied with Pope Benedict himself at a postgraduate program in Germany, wrote, "Irish writers in the early part of the 20th century ... sensed that something was seriously wrong with 'traditional Irish Catholicism'. They saw it as narrow-minded, anti-intellectual and rigorist on morality. They were right."

In the 1960s, cultural influences also came into play -- television for instance. Irish state television, RTE, began broadcasting in 1961. Later in that decade, Oliver Flanagan, a well-known and outspoken politician, stated that "there was no sex in Ireland before television." The cultural revolutions of the second half of the 20th century hit Ireland just as hard as they did every other Western country, and so began Ireland's culture wars, known as Ireland's "moral civil war" and fought between younger liberal elements and the Catholic Church over contraceptives, divorce, and abortion, among other social issues.

Ireland's younger and more-educated Catholics began to assert independence from Rome's teaching on sexuality, particularly following Pope Paul VI's "Humanae Vitae" encyclical in 1968, which banned all artificial means of contraception. Many Irish Catholic women ignored "Humanae Vitae." They took contraceptive pills and found that the heavens didn't fall. Doctors got around Irish law, often with the tacit approval of priests, by prescribing the pill as a regulator for the menstrual cycle rather than as a contraceptive.

In 1979, contraception finally became legally available in Ireland, but only to married couples and on prescription. It was 1992 before contraceptives became freely available to everyone. That same year, coincidentally, the church had its first major sex scandal when it was revealed that the bishop of Galway, Eamonn Casey, had a 17-year-old son; a favorite T-shirt at the time featured a condom and the caption, "Just in Casey." Divorce was also an extremely pivotal issue, not becoming legal until 1995. Abortion remains banned in Ireland despite referendums in 1983, 1992, and 2002. Although opinion poll after opinion poll over recent years has indicated a great majority now favor legalizing it, Ireland's politicians run scared from yet another bitter and divisive abortion referendum campaign.

With Irish society largely lost to it, the church's final frontier may be the primary-school system, of which it controls 92 percent. But now, the child sex abuse scandals, along with substantial immigration into Ireland over the past 10 years, have significantly increased pressure toward more pluralist control of primary education, something which -- to the surprise of many -- the Catholic bishops now say they favor. Archbishop Martin even called the Catholic control of schools a "historical hangover that doesn't reflect the realities of the times and is, in addition, in many ways detrimental to the possibility of maintaining a true Catholic identity in Catholic schools." If this is the case, it seems the last great battle of Ireland's moral civil wars -- that over control of education -- may be avoided.

And the Catholic Church in Ireland will continue its retreat from a position of unquestioned dominance in society for more than a century and a half, to a more humble role on its margins. "In the painful solitude of the desert, the church must learn how to return to its fundamental mission," Archbishop Martin has said. Some might suggest that is exactly where it belongs.

vibe666

from reading that, it sounds like they might actually be on the verge of just giving up.

robindch

vibe666 wrote: »

it sounds like they might actually be on the verge of just giving up.

One can only live in hope.

GLaDOS

I honestly think in the next 10-20 year they won't have much choice, interest in the church is minimal in the younger generation from what I can see

vibe666

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I honestly think in the next 10-20 year they won't have much choice, interest in the church is minimal in the younger generation from what I can see

we can only hope so, but whilst places like this place in the video below exist, I think we might have a fight on our hands.

yet again, i find myself saying "holy crap, what the hell is wrong with people".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVdEMCTGJS4

I'm still watching it myself, but my favouite bit so far is when this woman says that she wants to see the same commitment from those kids as she sees in islamic suicide bombers. double-ewe.tee.eff! :eek:

EDIT: lol, she wants to put harry potter to death.

for fecks sake someone call child services!

Mark Hamill

The American Family Association, a religious right group, is urging that Tillikum (Tilly), the killer whale that killed a trainer at SeaWorld Orlando, be put down, preferably by stoning. Citing Tilly's history of violent altercations, the group is slamming SeaWorld for not listening to Scripture in how to deal with the animal:

Says the ancient civil code of Israel, "When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable." (Exodus 21:28)

However, the group is going further and laying the blame for the trainer's death directly at the feet of Chuck Thompson, the curator in charge of animal behavior, because, according to Scripture,

But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn't kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal. To use the example from Exodus, if your ox kills a second time, "the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:29)

SeaWorld has no plans to execute Tilly.
Source

Mark Hamill

It's no good for a family values Republican to get picked up on a DUI. But substantially worse to get picked up for a DUI after leaving a gay nightclub with an unidentified man in a state vehicle.

That's the sorry state that befell California state Senator Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield) early Wednesday.

In better days Ashburn, a fierce opponent of gay rights, was fighting marriage equality and organizing anti-gay marriage rallies as part of his "Traditional Family Values" campaign.

But he hit a bump in the road -- figuratively, not literally -- Wednesday at around 2 AM when CHP officers observed him weaving and driving erratically in downtown Sacramento. After a field sobriety test, officers determined that Ashburn, who reeked of alcohol and had bloodshot, watery eyes, was under the influence of alcohol and placed him under arrest. He was released from jail just before 4 AM.

Initial reports only noted the DUI arrest and Ashburn issued a contrite apology on Wednesday. But late this evening, the CBS affiliate in Sacramento reported that "sources" confirmed that Ashburn had left Faces, a gay nightclub in downtown Sacramento, just prior to his arrest.

The state issued black Chevrolet Tahoe Ashburn was driving has been impounded at the state Capitol.

Source

Dades

Mark Hamill wrote: »

The American Family Association, a religious right group, is urging that Tillikum (Tilly), the killer whale that killed a trainer at SeaWorld Orlando, be put down, preferably by stoning.

I'd be on for dropping them in Tilly's pool armed with a bag of stones.

Stercus Accidit

Mark Hamill wrote: »

It's no good for a family values Republican to get picked up on a DUI. But substantially worse to get picked up for a DUI after leaving a gay nightclub with an unidentified man in a state vehicle.

That's the sorry state that befell California state Senator Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield) early Wednesday.

In better days Ashburn, a fierce opponent of gay rights, was fighting marriage equality and organizing anti-gay marriage rallies as part of his "Traditional Family Values" campaign.

But he hit a bump in the road -- figuratively, not literally -- Wednesday at around 2 AM when CHP officers observed him weaving and driving erratically in downtown Sacramento. After a field sobriety test, officers determined that Ashburn, who reeked of alcohol and had bloodshot, watery eyes, was under the influence of alcohol and placed him under arrest. He was released from jail just before 4 AM.

Initial reports only noted the DUI arrest and Ashburn issued a contrite apology on Wednesday. But late this evening, the CBS affiliate in Sacramento reported that "sources" confirmed that Ashburn had left Faces, a gay nightclub in downtown Sacramento, just prior to his arrest.

The state issued black Chevrolet Tahoe Ashburn was driving has been impounded at the state Capitol.

Source

Maybe it was research for his campaign, we all know a politician would never campaign about a topic he doesn't understand.

robindch

One of Santa's little helpers tries to bring new meaning to the word "Seminary":

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0304/1224265559432.html

robindch

Things are continuing to deteriorate in Germany, where this week, police raided a top Bavarian catholic school to investigate "decades of massive abuse: sexual, physical and psychological"

Elsewhere, the former master of a famous Regensburg choir claimed -- somewhat implausibly, I'd have thought -- that he was unaware of abuse that took place during the 50's and 60's which lead to two teachers being formally charged in court (the later of the two charges happened seven years into his 30-year career there). The choirmaster was Georg Ratzinger and he's the pope's brother.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0306/1224265703364.html?via=mr

Galvasean

Mark Hamill wrote: »

The American Family Association, a religious right group, is urging that Tillikum (Tilly), the killer whale that killed a trainer at SeaWorld Orlando, be put down, preferably by stoning. Citing Tilly's history of violent altercations, the group is slamming SeaWorld for not listening to Scripture in how to deal with the animal:

that book I don't like wrote:

When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable." (Exodus 21:28)

=/=


Or is this another case of diversity 'within kinds'?

Mark Hamill

Galvasean wrote: »

Or is this another case of diversity 'within kinds'?

If you can accept that one of these:

is actually one of these:
(source)
Then a killer whale being an ox isn't too far of a step .

Stercus Accidit

During the Christian observation of Lent, capybara meat is especially popular as it is claimed that the Catholic church, in a special dispensation, classified the animal as a fish.

I think it would be fair and proper in Ireland to classify the humble breakfast role as a fish too, it would certainly be popular!

strobe

vibe666 wrote: »

we can only hope so, but whilst places like this place in the video below exist, I think we might have a fight on our hands.

yet again, i find myself saying "holy crap, what the hell is wrong with people".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVdEMCTGJS4

I'm still watching it myself, but my favouite bit so far is when this woman says that she wants to see the same commitment from those kids as she sees in islamic suicide bombers. double-ewe.tee.eff! :eek:

EDIT: lol, she wants to put harry potter to death.

for fecks sake someone call child services!

God that's creepy! Is that taken from that Jesus Camp documentary or is it a seperate doc?

robindch

strobe wrote: »

Is that taken from that Jesus Camp documentary [...]?

Yep. Scary.

robindch

robindch wrote: »

Elsewhere, the former master of a famous Regensburg choir claimed -- somewhat implausibly, I'd have thought -- that he was unaware of abuse that took place during the 50's and 60's [...]

Turns out that the pope's brother was aware of at least some of what was going on, but didn't think it necessary to do anything about it. The full story here, though it's not quite clear if Ratzinger is referring to all the classes of abuse, or just some:

The Pope's Brother wrote:

"Pupils told me on concert trips about what went on. But it didn't dawn on me from their stories that I should do something. I was not aware of the extent of these brutal methods [...] If I had known about the excess of force he was using, I would have said something ... I ask the victims for forgiveness [...] At the start, I also slapped people in the face but I always had a bad conscience [...]

Elsewhere, Dutch "religious leaders" -- why not the police? -- are looking into allegations of misbehaviour by catholic priests:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8558311.stm

.

Stercus Accidit

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0311/breaking18.html

Catholic Bishop of Elphin Christopher Jones has accused the media of being “unfair and unjust” to the Catholic Church through a concentration on the handling by church authorities of the clerical child sex-abuse issue.

“Could I just say with all this emphasis on cover-up, the cover-up has gone on for centuries, not just in the church… It’s going on today in families, in communities, in societies. Why are you singling out the church?” he asked.

A member of the Bishops’ Liaison Committee for Child Protection, he was speaking at a press conference in Maynooth yesterday where the Irish Episcopal Conference was concluding its three-day spring meeting.

He continued: “I object to the way the church is being isolated and the focus on the church. We know we’ve made mistakes. Of course we’ve made mistakes but why this huge isolation of the church and this huge focus on cover-up in the church when it has been going on for centuries?

“It’s only now, for the first time ever, that victims have been given a voice to publicly express their pain and their suffering. And, before that, for centuries, no one spoke.”

He said when Sigmund Freud alluded to the high levels of venereal disease among children, “he had to withdraw it. That’s the kind of cover-up that has gone on for centuries. I think you are unfair and unjust to the church.”

Bishop Jones also described the Bishop of Galway Martin Drennan, who served as an Auxiliary Bishop of Dublin for seven years during the period investigated by the Murphy Commission, as “a scholar and a holy man” and that any reference to him in the Murphy report had been positive. It emerged yesterday that Bishop Drennan has invited representatives from all parishes in his diocese to a service of reparation at Galway Cathedral on Palm Sunday, March 28th.

According to the current issue of the Irish Catholic newspaper he has asked that each parish place a sprig of palm on the altar at the service “to express the penitential mood of the day.” In a letter to his priests Bishop Drennan has said “we’ll be asking God’s forgiveness for crimes of physical, sexual and emotional abuse that have brought shame on all of us.”

Flamed Diving

“Could I just say with all this emphasis on cover-up, the cover-up has gone on for centuries, not just in the church… It’s going on today in families, in communities, in societies. Why are you singling out the church?” he asked.

Because none of those groups claim to represent the creator of the universe, and by extension, to hold all moral authority and the keys to heaven.

robindch

Gabriel Amorth, The Vatican's Minister of Defense Against the Dark Arts, explained during the week that the Devil is working within the Holy See and in between messing with bishops' minds, is busy making fun of him! More on this Invasion of the Body Snatchers story here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7416458/Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html

Amorth, though, has a tough job -- on the one hand, he's a catholic priest, devoted to telling the world about this über-bad devil-bunny and how much they should fear him, while on the other hand, he says that his ultimate goal is "to free human beings from the fear of the Devil".

Upon such enjoyable contradictions is the Vatican's business built.

cavedave

What stampedes are the most dangerous? Ones at Sporting, musical, political or religious events? Religious ones

Over the past 3 decades, nearly 3,000 people have been killed in stampedes during the Hajj

GLaDOS

Repect Jesus or I'll blow your ****ing head off

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1036408/us-woman-killed-over-easter-attire

Police say a woman shot her cousin dead during an argument that started because one woman didn't think the other was dressed properly for Easter dinner.

Police told the Columbus Dispatch that 19-year-old Danielle Pickens showed up on Sunday night at the home of Evelyn Burgess wearing a T-shirt and denim shorts.

Columbus police Detective Steven Eppert said 42-year-old Burgess told police she thought the outfit was inappropriate and disrespectful.

The women fought. Police say Pickens walked outside to leave and Burgess shot her in the head with a handgun.

Pickens died at a hospital early Monday.

Eppert said Burgess told investigators she didn't mean to shoot Pickens.

Burgess was due to appear in court Tuesday on a murder charge.

mehfesto

Was linked to a site by a mate:
http://mpac.ie/2009/10/25/implementing-shariah-–-a-patriotic-duty/

scariest **** I've read in a while.

strobe

Yeah creepy stuff alright, but you'll be happy to hear that most Irish muslims (at least the ones that post on boards) seem to be as creeped out by mpac.ie as we are.

mehfesto

strobe wrote: »

Yeah creepy stuff alright, but you'll be happy to hear that most Irish muslims (at least the ones that post on boards) seem to be as creeped out by mpac.ie as we are.

Yeah, just checked there earlier!
Must be ****e bein compared to people like that.

sionnach

"Un-Islamic" law is repealed and Yemen is a better place for it.

Oh wait no, it results in the perpetuation of a disgusting practice and this horrific story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8610491.stm

magicbastarder

http://www.news.com.au/national/geelong-church-defends-graphic-crucifixion-re-enactment-on-busy-shopping-strip/story-e6frfkvr-1225849949863

Stercus Accidit

sionnach wrote: »

"Un-Islamic" law is repealed and Yemen is a better place for it.

Oh wait no, it results in the perpetuation of a disgusting practice and this horrific story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8610491.stm

I lament for the state of humanity, I truly believe that I live in a barbaric age.

sonicthebadger*

magicbastarder wrote: »

http://www.news.com.au/national/geelong-church-defends-graphic-crucifixion-re-enactment-on-busy-shopping-strip/story-e6frfkvr-1225849949863

The pastor claims to have turned around "and there were about eight children ... watching it and none of them looked distressed".

Somehow, I doubt that. Unless they too, are so utterly delusional that they can't see how disgusting it is to torture a human being to death.

vibe666

magicbastarder wrote: »

http://www.news.com.au/national/geelong-church-defends-graphic-crucifixion-re-enactment-on-busy-shopping-strip/story-e6frfkvr-1225849949863

JESUS!

Galvasean

magicbastarder wrote: »

http://www.news.com.au/national/geelong-church-defends-graphic-crucifixion-re-enactment-on-busy-shopping-strip/story-e6frfkvr-1225849949863

That's messed up. We have a words for that kind of crap over here - 'paedophilia' and 'manslaughter'. Another life lost because of religious dogmatic crap.

Anyone fancy compilling a dossier of all these hazards and sending it to the IONA institute under the title, "Religion is bad for you."

Stercus Accidit

Galvasean wrote: »

Anyone fancy compilling a dossier of all these hazards and sending it to the IONA institute under the title, "Religion is bad for you."

That would be way too depressing, and an overwhelmingly difficult task to include it all or even most.

Pity we can't just resort to mindless rhetoric like them.

robindch

Galvasean wrote: »

Anyone fancy compilling a dossier of all these hazards and sending it to the IONA institute under the title, "Religion is bad for you."

Much better, I'd have thought, to copy their fancy graphic design, fill it with the contents of this thread, then release it to the media!

PeterIanStaker

This scared the sh!te out of me:


http://www.atheistnation.net/video/?video/00118/atheist/jesus-camp/

iUseVi

Shocking. Just shocking. If you make it through the entire 6 minutes without facepalming you deserves a medal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-cpzGWVwE

GLaDOS

iUseVi wrote: »

If you make it through the entire 6 minutes without facepalming you deserves a medal.

19 seconds, and I was consciously trying not to...

Dades

Kudos to that Chris Carter chap.

How he manages to keep from jumping across the table and throttling that bunch of pathetic yes-men, I do not know. That segment was a prime example of Christians trying to justify a sweeping pre-conceived conclusion.

ColmDawson

iUseVi wrote: »

Shocking. Just shocking. If you make it through the entire 6 minutes without facepalming you deserves a medal.

*seethes*

robindch

iUseVi wrote: »

If you make it through the entire 6 minutes without facepalming you deserves a medal.

If you make it through it at all, facepalm or not, you deserve a medal!

iUseVi

robindch wrote: »

If you make it through it at all, facepalm or not, you deserve a medal!

I've upped my facepalm resist medal threshold to 100. Make it through without 100 is pretty darn good.

uncleoswald

iUseVi wrote: »

Shocking. Just shocking. If you make it through the entire 6 minutes without facepalming you deserves a medal.

Oh god, I just realised that this is meant to be a business show....

Delirium

why is a priest giving a sermon on a news/business program?? at least I assume its a business show as it's called Fox business.

And to my understanding secularism isn't the same thing as paganism.

GLaDOS

koth wrote: »

why is a priest giving a sermon on a news/business program?? at least I assume its a business show as it's called Fox business.

And to my understanding secularism isn't the same thing as paganism.

It's Fox, that's all you need to know before removing all credibility

Delirium

ScienceNerd wrote: »

It's Fox, that's all you need to know before removing all credibility

So that wasn't an usual way for a news segment to go for Fox??:eek:

I'm not familiar with Fox so that clip was just weird to me.

sonicthebadger*

When Chris Carter says (while looking downcast and shaking his head) "I can't even dignify this entire segment with a response right now" Somebody in the background bursts out laughing. I wonder is it all some kind of big scripted joke, please, please say it's a big joke!