The Hazards of Belief

Bannasidhe

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yes, Ireland !
Point negated completely, we are far worse!

Sure just last week my neighbour kidnapped a 14 year old local girl and now she is his wife, feck it anyway her parents said - the local priest said it's ok so
fair bloody dinkum !!!

Oh stop it.

Poster tried to draw a comparison between the response of a former First Lady to the activities of an illegal organisation and her lack (apparent -we do not know for sure if she has reacted or not) of reaction the actions to the judiciary of a country making rulings based on religious law.

What happened in Nigeria is not comparable to what happened in Pakistan bar women and girls are denied even the most basic human rights and this is justified by religion.

And yes, Ireland did the same thing as Pakistan. And Ireland hasn't even begun to properly address that. So stick your fair dinkum and remember that even now Ireland is being brought before the Court of Human Rights.

It may be in the past for you - it's isn't for the victims.

As for 'we are far worse' - who are you to decide what victims of abuse have it worse?
Is it worse because it's happening right now rather than 50 years ago?
Should victims of historical abuse just be happy they aren't living in Pakistan?

Hector Savage

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Oh stop it.

Poster tried to draw a comparison between the response of a former First Lady to the activities of an illegal organisation and her lack (apparent -we do not know for sure if she has reacted or not) of reaction the actions to the judiciary of a country making rulings based on religious law.

What happened in Nigeria is not comparable to what happened in Pakistan bar women and girls are denied even the most basic human rights and this is justified by religion.

And yes, Ireland did the same thing as Pakistan. And Ireland hasn't even begun to properly address that. So stick your fair dinkum and remember that even now Ireland is being brought before the Court of Human Rights.

It may be in the past for you - it's isn't for the victims.

As for 'we are far worse' - who are you to decide what victims of abuse have it worse?
Is it worse because it's happening right now rather than 50 years ago?
Should victims of historical abuse just be happy they aren't living in Pakistan?

You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin - piss off..

smacl

Hector Savage wrote: »

You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin - piss off..

Mod: Carded for personal abuse. Please read the charter before posting again, thanks for your attention

Bannasidhe

Hector Savage wrote: »

You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin - piss off..

On the contrary I clearly said what is happening in Pakistan is the same as happened in Ireland.
Women and girls being denied even basic human rights because 'religion'.

What I did not do, which you are intent on doing, is whitewash (as you wish to bring colour into it) Ireland's treatment of women and pretend it's all better now while getting out the pitchforks of faux moral indignation to wave at foreigners.

Hotblack Desiato

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Where are Michelle Obama et al for these issues? 'Bring back our girls'

What a truly bizarre post.

Hotblack Desiato

Hector Savage wrote: »

You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin

Boko Haram are also brown-skinned muslims but people were happy to criticise them and rightly so. Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

smacl

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Boko Haram are also brown-skinned muslims but people were happy to criticise them and rightly so. Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

Agreed. It is also utter nonsense to suggest people here aren't openly critical of the barbarity towards women and religious minorities in Pakistan carried out under the banner of sharia law. For example.

robindch

robindch wrote: »

Mike Hughes has built himself a steam-powered rocket, painted it red, and with it, he intends to briefly leave this cold, flat Earth.

"It’ll shut the door on this ball earth", explained the former chauffeur and holder of a 2002 Guinness World Record for the longest jump in a limousine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/11/21/this-man-is-about-to-launch-himself-in-his-homemade-rocket-to-prove-the-earth-is-flat/

seamus wrote: »

Real salt-of-the-earth Trump man - "I need more money for the next phase of this rocket launch, and, uh....oh yeah, this flat earth thing is great! I've just recently become a believer. Any of you guys got some money to give me?"

Mr Hughes' final effort to prove everybody wrong took place yesterday afternoon in the San Bernardino County desert near Barstow, California:

https://www.sbsun.com/2020/02/22/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-reported-dead-in-rocket-crash-near-barstow/

Hotblack Desiato

Real bang of exploitation off that so-called "Science Channel".

ohnonotgmail

robindch wrote: »

Mike Hughes has built himself a steam-powered rocket, painted it red, and with it, he intends to briefly leave this cold, flat Earth.

Mr Hughes' final effort to prove everybody wrong took place yesterday afternoon in the San Bernardino County desert near Barstow, California:

https://www.sbsun.com/2020/02/22/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-reported-dead-in-rocket-crash-near-barstow/

To be fair he did achieve his aim of briefly leaving the earth. very briefly.

Timberrrrrrrr

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

To be fair he did achieve his aim of briefly leaving the earth. very briefly.

Could have achieved that with a trampoline.

robindch

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Could have achieved that with a trampoline.

And he wouldn't have flattened himself either, poor clown.

ohnonotgmail

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Could have achieved that with a trampoline.

Where is the glory in that?

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51695649

The leader of a religious sect in South Korea will be investigated over some of the country's coronavirus deaths.

The city government of the capital Seoul has asked prosecutors to charge Lee Man-hee, the founder of the Shincheonji Church, and 11 others.

They are accused of hiding the names of some members as officials tried to track patients before the virus spread.

South Korea is battling the worst coronavirus outbreak outside China.

The country has reported 3,730 cases and 21 deaths so far. More than half of all infections involve members of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, a fringe Christian group.

Authorities say Shincheonji members infected one another in the southern city of Daegu last month, before fanning out around the country.

On Sunday the Seoul City government filed a legal complaint to prosecutors against 12 leaders of the sect. They are accused of homicide, causing harm and violating the Infectious Disease and Control Act.

All 230,000 members of the church have been interviewed. Nearly 9,000 said they were showing symptoms of coronavirus.

A 61-year-old female member of the sect who tested positive for the virus was among the first to be infected.

She initially refused to be taken to a hospital to be tested and is known to have attended several church gatherings before testing positive.

The sect's leader, Lee Man-hee, claims he is the Messiah. He has also been tested for the virus and is awaiting the results.

Roman Catholic churches remain closed, major Protestant groups have cancelled Sunday services and all Buddhist events have been called off.

Lee Man-hee, 88, claims he is the second coming of Jesus Christ and identifies as "the promised pastor" mentioned in the Bible.

He founded the Shincheonji Church in 1984. In Korean, Shincheonji means "new heaven and earth".

The group is considered a cult by many. Mr Lee's followers believe he will take 144,000 people to heaven with him.

The church says it has more than 20,000 followers outside of South Korea including in China, Japan and areas of Southeast Asia.

The group is known for packing its followers tightly together during services. Glasses, necklaces and earrings are reportedly banned from services.

Igotadose

This won't help:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/02/photo-shows-pence-team-trying-to-pray-away-coronavirus/

TheChizler

Igotadose wrote: »

This won't help:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/02/photo-shows-pence-team-trying-to-pray-away-coronavirus/

I may be wrong but I presume this isn't their entire strategy, just a photo op before they get down to business?

Igotadose

TheChizler wrote: »

I may be wrong but I presume this isn't their entire strategy, just a photo op before they get down to business?

Correct. Pray away the disease. It's worked so well in the past.

Hotblack Desiato

Pence has form in this regard, prayer instead of needle exchange proved ineffective against a HIV outbreak in Indiana when he was governor.

Hotblack Desiato

Meanwhile, ex-prez McAleese writes to pope, threatens to scweam and scweam unthil she's shick:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/mcaleese-threatens-to-leave-catholic-church-if-vanier-story-not-explained-1.4191664

McAleese threatens to leave Catholic Church if Vanier story not explained


Former president Mary McAleese has written to Pope Francis saying she will leave the Catholic Church “if it transpires that the Holy See failed to act to protect members of the L’Arche Community”.

She said people should have been alerted to “the known predatory activities” of the community’s founder Jean Vanier and his mentor, Dominican priest Fr Thomas Philippe.

“I have to say that this will be my final line of least resistance. I could not in conscience continue to support an institution capable of such gross negligence,” Mrs McAleese said in the letter.

And if they say they did not fail to act, we can believe them because....??

smacl

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Meanwhile, ex-prez McAleese writes to pope, threatens to scweam and scweam unthil she's shick:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/mcaleese-threatens-to-leave-catholic-church-if-vanier-story-not-explained-1.4191664



And if they say they did not fail to act, we can believe them because....??

So we can expect a new user looking for info on the "how do i leave the church" thread?

Odhinn

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Meanwhile, ex-prez McAleese writes to pope, threatens to scweam and scweam unthil she's shick:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/mcaleese-threatens-to-leave-catholic-church-if-vanier-story-not-explained-1.4191664



And if they say they did not fail to act, we can believe them because....??

She forgets to ask herself two very important questions before this threat - (a) am I a member of the church hierarchy? and (b) do I have penis?

Igotadose

Stay away. Stay far away.

Washington DC Priest Tests Positive For Coronavirus, 500+ Church Visitors Asked To Self-Quarantine

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/washington-dc-priest-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-500-church-visitors-asked-to-self-quarantine-qqUKE-H3C0SqqAa0PXHGxw

Bannasidhe

Igotadose wrote: »

Stay away. Stay far away.

Washington DC Priest Tests Positive For Coronavirus, 500+ Church Visitors Asked To Self-Quarantine

Childish chuckle

smacl

Igotadose wrote: »

Stay away. Stay far away.

Washington DC Priest Tests Positive For Coronavirus, 500+ Church Visitors Asked To Self-Quarantine

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/washington-dc-priest-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-500-church-visitors-asked-to-self-quarantine-qqUKE-H3C0SqqAa0PXHGxw

Interesting that as Italy goes into quarantine there seems the exceptions seem to be churches and restaurants once people can keep 1 metre away from each other.

RTE News wrote:

Religious institutions will stay open, as long as people can stay a metre from one another, but ceremonies such as marriages, baptisms and funerals are banned.

Hotblack Desiato

Funny how the only demographic which goes to church here in any numbers is the one most at risk... is god trying to send some sort of message about the RCC? :cool:

Hotblack Desiato

Funeral ban could prove awkward...

Bannasidhe

smacl wrote: »

Interesting that as Italy goes into quarantine there seems the exceptions seem to be churches and restaurants once people can keep 1 metre away from each other.

Meanwhile on Sean O Rourke a funeral director was just short of saying anyone who dies of Covid-19 will immediately be torched using a flame thrower and there will be no blasted funeral home or spins in limos or any of that malarkey.

robindch

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Meanwhile on Sean O Rourke a funeral director was just short of saying anyone who dies of Covid-19 will immediately be torched using a flame thrower and there will be no blasted funeral home or spins in limos or any of that malarkey.

When my time comes, load my corpse and a lot of kindling into a dinghy, set a timer to light a flame after one day, and set the lot sailing south from West Cork. No limo needed.

Peregrinus

robindch wrote: »

When my time comes, load my corpse and a lot of kindling into a dinghy, set a timer to light a flame after one day, and set the lot sailing south from West Cork. No limo needed.

Seems like an awful waste of a dinghy.

oscarBravo

Peregrinus wrote: »

Seems like an awful waste of a dinghy.

I have a dinghy I'd be happy to waste (it might not still be afloat when the timer goes off).

Peregrinus

oscarBravo wrote: »

I have a dinghy I'd be happy to waste (it might not still be afloat when the timer goes off).

I'm sure Robin's natural buoyancy will keep it up.

Odhinn

Same day, different Snake oil

Two state attorneys general ordered a prominent televangelist to stop peddling an alleged coronavirus elixir on his show.
Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt filed a lawsuit Tuesday against Jim Bakker for misrepresentations about the effectiveness of "Silver Solution" as a treatment for coronavirus. Schmitt's lawsuit came a week after the office of New York Attorney General Letitia James sent a cease-and-desist order to Bakker, ordering him to stop promoting the supplement as a COVID-19 treatment.

Bakker was convicted in 1989 on multiple counts of fraud after he stole millions of dollars in a fundraising scandal. He spent five years in prison before returning to TV in 2003.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ny-attorney-general-orders-televangelist-jim-bakker-stop/story?id=69472032

smacl

Just saw this on the news which gave my a wry smile. There are those of us cynical atheists who might suggest that vulnerable people avoid organised religion at the best of times :pac:

Hotblack Desiato

Honestly thought that fûcker Bakker died years ago. Wishful thinking on my part perhaps.

Odhinn

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Honestly thought that fûcker Bakker died years ago. Wishful thinking on my part perhaps.

I had him confused with this yoke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts

Hotblack Desiato

His organizations were also affected by scandals involving other televangelists and the City of Faith hospital was forced to close in 1989 after losing money. Roberts was forced to respond with the sale of his holiday homes in Palm Springs and Beverly Hills as well as three of his Mercedes cars.

Eye of a needle, and all that.

robindch

Odhinn wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts

What a name! A bit like the excellent Bob Jones, the abbreviations of whose name is unbeatable.

Is this unintentional? Or, like anecdotal stories about short men, are people with embarrassing names just choosing to take it out on the world?

Igotadose

robindch wrote: »

What a name! A bit like the excellent Bob Jones, the abbreviations of whose name is unbeatable.

Is this unintentional? Or, like anecdotal stories about short men, are people with embarrassing names just choosing to take it out on the world?

Intentional. LDS followers have unusual names inherited from progenitors. There's Oral Roberts University in Utah. Sometimes they spell it Orel, there's a famous US baseball player Orel Hershiser for example

ohnonotgmail

Igotadose wrote: »

Intentional. LDS followers have unusual names inherited from progenitors. There's Oral Roberts University in Utah. Sometimes they spell it Orel, there's a famous US baseball player Orel Hershiser for example

Oral Roberts University was founded by the same Oral Roberts that Odhinn linked to. And Oral Roberts wasn't LDS.

Odhinn

Another one - "I'm healed"

https://god.dailydot.com/kenneth-copeland-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1EEItirp4-ULBBTPv4BdjUPli8gubrl5SPwo3AKFUt3aGAyo3J1qjRj3Y

robindch

In line with policy over the last two millennia, God continues to fail to provide help to his loyal followers. On the plus side, are there any masses which have more than 100 people going to them these days?

https://www.dublindiocese.ie/update-on-pastoral-arrangements-concerning-coronavirus/

Archdiocese of Dublin wrote:

Where you feel that it would not be possible for you to limit attendance at Mass to 100 people, then Masses should be suspended. This applies especially to Saint Patrick’s Day.

magicbastarder

one of those where you don't know whether this is funny or just depressing.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1238875821319704581

robindch

magicbastarder wrote: »

one of those where you don't know whether this is funny or just depressing.

"And say your prayers inside your own bedroom, stay saying them all day long, say them again tomorrow and every day for the next six weeks."

Igotadose

magicbastarder wrote: »

one of those where you don't know whether this is funny or just depressing.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1238875821319704581

Probably a first amendment violation for #IMPOTUS to do that. Hopefully the ACLU's all over that if it happens.

robindch

The Russian oligarch who wants Vladimir Putin to be a Tsar

https://www.ft.com/content/63e0342c-5e2f-11ea-b0ab-339c2307bcd4

FT wrote:

In his ornate countryside resort, styled after a Tsarist-era Russian nobleman’s estate and decked with portraits of royalty from centuries past, oligarch Konstantin Malofeev praised his fellow monarchists for their role in shaping the country’s biggest political overhaul in decades. Russia approved constitutional changes this week that could allow Vladimir Putin, the president, to bypass term limits and extend his 20-year rule to at least 2036, when he will be 83. Vedomosti, a leading business newspaper, said the move “essentially turns Putin into a monarch” – a welcome scenario for the dozens of men, many sporting extravagant facial hair and traditional Cossack costumes, gathered in Mr Malofeev’s resort late last month. “These words were like honey for our ears. Our call, the call of all traditionally minded people, has been heard,” said Mr Malofeev, who heads the Double-Headed Eagle, a pro-Putin monarchist society, and is close to the Russian Orthodox Church.

Radical as the changes are, for this influential clique of conservatives they do not go far enough — they want the Russian president to become tsar. “The constitutional changes are leading us in the right direction: towards a constitutional monarchy,” Mr Malofeev added. The role played by factions such as Mr Malofeev’s reflects both the growing influence of conservative voices and of Mr Putin’s desire to boost turnout at a “people’s vote” on April 22 to approve the constitutional changes. The Russian Orthodox Church can say: ‘We’re conservative, write what we want into the constitution and we’ll get you the turnout’

The initial proposals included funding for social spending and boosting demographics as an incentive for voters to back arcane and poorly explained procedural changes — such as elevating the State Council, a previously obscure body that Mr Putin reportedly considered heading before publicly rejecting the idea — that have baffled the public.

With most Russians broadly supportive of his 20-year rule, only 25 per cent planned to vote for the constitutional changes, while 64 per cent admitted they did not know what the reforms were about, according to a poll conducted by the independent Levada Center in February. “It’s obvious that most voters weren’t interested in the amendments. They’re ill-defined and impenetrable,” said political scientist Ekaterina Schulmann. “And then they started taking suggestions from groups who promised to bring people out to vote in exchange for [the government] accepting their demands.”

Voters will now also have their say on a confusing mixture of new amendments, selected from more than 900 submitted to a hastily assembled constitutional committee, including measures defining marriage as “the union of man and woman” and emphasising the importance of God. “The Russian Orthodox Church can say: ‘We’re conservative, write what we want into the constitution and we’ll get you the turnout,” said Ms Schulmann.

Mr Putin has yet to divulge his own future plans or explain the rationale behind many of the changes. Asked by reporters “which god Vladimir Putin had in mind” when approving the new bill, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov promised that “this will be explained in good time”. [...]

But Mr Malofeev is just getting started. “We are all taking seven-mile steps back to the Fundamental Laws of the Russian empire in 1906,” Mr Malofeev said. “We’ll have the State Council, we got the State Duma back a bit earlier, and maybe one day we’ll live to see the Sovereign Emperor.”

Odhinn

The dangers of living with albinism, where you can be chopped up and sold as parts.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=190753419016583

nathan99

Odhinn wrote: »

The dangers of living with albinism, where you can be chopped up and sold as parts.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=190753419016583

I found that video very shocking, words cant describe how inhumane that is.

Odhinn

Sectarianism in the worlds largest democracy

As the mob attacks came once, then twice and then a third time in this north-east Delhi neighbourhood, desperate stallholders repeatedly ran to Gokalpuri and Dayalpur police stations crying out for help. But each time they found the gates locked from the inside. For three days, no help came.

“Some policemen were standing just a few metres away,” said Ravinder. “They did not say anything to us. They turned their faces away from us. We understood that police would not intervene if we turned violent against any Muslim … and a large section of the police all along backed us throughout.”
His account was echoed by a Hindu priest from Bihar state. The Brahmin, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he had witnessed young Hindu men in his neighbourhood, who were all BJP supporters, declare that the “police brothers are with us” as they gathered stones, iron rods, knives, machetes, wooden sticks and guns ready to attack Muslims.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/delhis-muslims-despair-justice-police-implicated-hindu-riots

Ryath

Unbelievable 25,000 gather to say Khatme Shifa prayers to save the country from the coronavirus.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0319/1124039-bangladesh-coronavirus/

Hotblack Desiato

Even as religious stuff goes, that's particularly stupid...