The Hazards of Belief

robindch · 09-02-2011 12:08am

mikhail wrote: »

cavedave wrote: »

Pope's organ donor card 'invalid'

That should be in The Funny Side of Religion, assuming an eighty-something's organs are unlikely to be used in a transplant.

One guy in work suggested today that they could use Ratzinger's bits for spare parts for future popes.

The Mad Hatter · 09-02-2011 10:58am

robindch wrote: »

One guy in work suggested today that they could use Ratzinger's bits for spare parts for future popes.

His name doesn't begin with "Franken-", does it?

mikhail · 09-02-2011 11:53am

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

His name doesn't begin with "Franken-", does it?

As every such thing has been already discussed on the internet, I googled Frankenpope (-"Al Franken" to clear some of the junk). Turns out there's a band called Frankenpope Lobster.

Yeah, so...

robindch · 09-02-2011 12:01pm

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

His name doesn't begin with "Franken-", does it?

Nope, though since the chap is French, he's therefore cognate with "Franken".

A Frankenpope or Frankenzinger sounds fun though.

Dave! · 09-02-2011 11:51pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyclBRebNW8

Could this happen without religion?

tonysea · 09-02-2011 11:53pm

robindch wrote: »

Anybody think it's worth stickying a cautionary thread? This sad story just in today:

http://today.reuters.com/news/ArticleNews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2006-06-05T133715Z_01_L05642927_RTRUKOC_0_US-UKRAINE-LION.xml

Natural selection at its best:D

mikhail · 11-02-2011 11:27am

Right, a few I picked up in the Indo:

1. Killer dentist Colin Howell injected his lover with drugs to knock her out while they had sex and once feared he had overdosed her, a court heard yesterday.

Hazel Stewart wanted to be unconscious during intercourse so she would not experience any Christian guilt, another former boyfriend of the mother-of-two told her double-murder trial.

2. David Quinn: Any vote for the Labour Party is a vote for abortion

That's the headline. The article was written by David Quinn. David Quinn. Did I mention David Quinn?

3. Finally, I was bemused to see a letter to the editor, which castigated a previous letter-writter for getting "her 'facts' from the Bible, the greatest work of fiction ever written". So I looked up the letter to which he referred, and am left wondering if this isn't just another hazard of ideologically driven debates about the Middle East.

magicbastarder · 14-02-2011 11:10am

god is a fierce prick:

Polish Catholics have campaigned for Witold’s canonisation since he died in a Mexican village in 1944.

The 14-year-old boy had prayed to God to take his life rather than that of a village priest who was said to be terminally ill.

The priest made a full recovery and Witold died.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356602/Catholic-priest-charged-body-snatching-remains-child-saint-exhumed.html

tonysea · 14-02-2011 11:21am

magicbastarder wrote: »

god is a fierce prick:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356602/Catholic-priest-charged-body-snatching-remains-child-saint-exhumed.html

Amen to that....;)

robindch · 14-02-2011 11:32am

^^^ Urrrgh!

GLaDOS · 21-02-2011 5:52pm

This is ridiculous...

Turtwig · 21-02-2011 5:56pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

<IQ Drop Kick>

This is ridiculous...

Some real depressing sh1t. Almost makes me want to remove my smiley from my sig just to convey how glum I feel in this post:(

CiaranMT · 22-02-2011 4:02pm

Thank f**k it's only 2 minutes long.

Morag · 22-02-2011 6:49pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/catholics-received-holy-communion-christmas-risk-hepatitis/story?id=12537329

Pygmalion · 22-02-2011 7:26pm

Sharrow wrote: »

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/catholics-received-holy-communion-christmas-risk-hepatitis/story?id=12537329

Hepatitis A, a liver disease, is contracted by putting something in your mouth that has been contaminated with fecal matter from an infected person

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I always suspected that transubstantiation was a load of ****, I guess now we have the evidence.

CiaranMT · 23-02-2011 12:52am

ScienceNerd wrote: »

This is ridiculous...

Put that up on Facebook and got the following gem of a comment:

"love the way the ginger kid thinks god put him on the earth?sure doesn't he have no soul??"

jobee · 23-02-2011 3:47pm

No preacher ever talks about this fellow God lover, why?

http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

jobee · 23-02-2011 3:52pm

murphthesmurf wrote: »

I am originally from England, having moved here recently. This made all the headlines in England too. I have to admit, I wasn't even remotely surprised to hear this had been happening, for me its pretty common knowledge that lots of priests have been doing this for many yrs and will continue to do it for many more. I would NEVER leave my son alone with any priest, I know this is a sad thing to say, and the religious among us will most likely be fuming, but its the truth. There are many good intentioned people in the church who genuinely mean well, and I sincerely feel sorry for them, as they will be tarnished with the same brush as the bad ones.
As for the defense of the bishop that for him to disclose the information would be like a doctor breaking doctor patient confidentiality, thats nonsence. If a doctor knew or had good reason to believe that a child is in danger it would be his duty to report it, doctor/patient confidentiality would be over ruled in any case where a child may be in danger.
The bishop has without doubt broken laws, perverting the course of justice, failing to report a crime, aiding and abeting, among possibly many more.
To hear that the 2 abused women were refused entry into a church is shocking enough, to hear that they were refused entry by the policeman is even more shocking. On what grounds was the officer refusing entry? :mad:

Its not just the offenders, its the hoards that must have known.

This man probably had better sexual morals than the priesthood.

http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

robindch · 23-02-2011 4:13pm

Jobee -

jobee wrote: »

No preacher ever talks about this fellow God lover, why?

jobee wrote: »

Its not just the offenders, its the hoards that must have known. This man probably had better sexual morals than the priesthood.

Great to see you posting your thoughts, but can you try to stop godwinning yourself with everything you write? And try to engage in a discussion, rather than using the forum as a vent for your Nazi-fetish?

thanks.

jobee · 23-02-2011 9:21pm

robindch wrote: »

Jobee -Great to see you posting your thoughts, but can you try to stop godwinning yourself with everything you write? And try to engage in a discussion, rather than using the forum as a vent for your Nazi-fetish?

thanks.

For some strange reason the western world thinks god lovers are nice people.
.
In my experience they are anything but nice people.

The big religions are just 'jobs for the boys'.Big business, but we have to blame the customers.

I haven't got an obsession with the nazis, many a pope was just as bad as Hitler.

http://www.prestonlancs.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3870-hitler-rc/

jobee · 23-02-2011 9:48pm

murphthesmurf wrote: »

From how it reads, it seems it was a service of some sort for the victims. Surely they didn't hire a Gaurde as door staff.
Surely the Devil would never allow this kind of thing to go on in hell, how is it 'god' has allowed it to go on in his churches. You could almost say it was under his protection, or at least the protection of his house.
I suppose someone will have an answer to this, somewhere along the lines of 'we shouldn't question the actions of our lord, or try to understand why these things happen'
Where do religious people think these priests will go when they meet their end? Will God open up the pearly gates for them? Or will they be banished to hell? Even though religion has protected them.

More fun in hell, my kinda devil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dPLTQ-0FmE&NR=1&feature=fvwp

recedite · 23-02-2011 9:50pm

jobee wrote: »

I haven't got an obsession with the nazis, many a pope was just as bad as Hitler.

http://www.prestonlancs.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3870-hitler-rc/

This thread should really be locked now, unless of course jobee is really a clever Jesuit priest, whose motive was precisely to effect that end.......

"There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized corollary that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful."

jobee · 23-02-2011 10:02pm

recedite wrote: »

This thread should really be locked now, unless of course jobee is really a clever Jesuit priest, whose motive was precisely to effect that end.......

"There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized corollary that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful."

Hitler was a baptised RC surely you dont feel lost in this kind of company.
You've been rubbing shoulders with them most of your life.
Rat-zinger adored him.

Ghost Buster · 24-02-2011 11:27am

jobee wrote: »

Hitler Was a Christian
The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:
History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.
Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.
Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ." His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: "I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal." -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

Locked in 4 posts..... betcha...:)

robindch · 24-02-2011 11:32am

jobee wrote: »

jobee wrote: »

robindch wrote: »

Jobee -Great to see you posting your thoughts, but can you try to stop godwinning yourself with everything you write? And try to engage in a discussion, rather than using the forum as a vent for your Nazi-fetish?

I haven't got an obsession with the nazis [...]

Hitler Was a Christian

Jobee's recent posts have been moved to the Hazards thread and he's now enjoying a week's holiday from the forum for ignoring repeated requests to post something worth reading.

magicbastarder · 24-02-2011 11:33am

ha - godwin's law proved in the very first word of the thread.

sensibleken · 24-02-2011 11:52am

Jobee have you ever thought of maybe getting a pet?

vibe666 · 24-02-2011 4:45pm

sensibleken wrote: »

Jobee have you ever thought of maybe getting a pet?

i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be allowed a pet. :pac:

sensibleken · 24-02-2011 4:57pm

vibe666 wrote: »

i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be allowed a pet. :pac:

Oh I meant something like a brick

Ghost Buster · 24-02-2011 5:05pm

sensibleken wrote: »

Oh I meant something like a brick

Voila

eyescreamcone · 01-03-2011 4:54pm

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I think FF are terrified of alienating the Catholic Church. McCreevy once said there are three important organisations in Ireland. FF, The Catholic Church and GAA. Makes you cringe eh?

The times they are a changing

FF and RCC not doing well and even Cork won Sam :rolleyes:

Niska · 02-03-2011 10:59am

Pakistan minorities minister shot dead in Islamabad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12617562

Pakistani Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti has died after gunmen opened fire on his car in the capital Islamabad, hospital officials say.

He was travelling to work through a residential district when his vehicle was sprayed with bullets, police said.

Mr Bhatti, the cabinet's only Christian minister, had received death threats for urging reform to blasphemy laws.

Hopefully our own Blasphemy Law won't be so hard to get rid of.

Galvasean · 03-03-2011 2:13pm

Anti-gay pastor caught masturbating over children:
http://www.newser.com/story/113075/anti-gay-pastor-grant-storms-arrested-for-public-masturbation.html

That's just terrific.

Dades · 03-03-2011 4:35pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Anti-gay pastor caught masturbating over children:
http://www.newser.com/story/113075/anti-gay-pastor-grant-storms-arrested-for-public-masturbation.html

This is my favourite bit:

Storms initially claimed he was merely urinating into a bottle

Dave! · 03-03-2011 5:40pm

I've tried that excuse before.

Doesn't work.

stevoslice · 07-03-2011 4:23am

Republican pushes bill for 'burden of proof' to be put on expectant mothers in event of miscarriage!!!

:eek:

Galvasean · 07-03-2011 12:31pm

Pro-lifers: Prone to killing you.

Galvasean · 07-03-2011 12:40pm

Man in London given death threats for supporting evolution and women's rights:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/06/usama-hasan-london-imam-death-threats-evolution

mikhail · 07-03-2011 7:12pm

Here's a popular issue among A&A posters playing out in a small town in Canada:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/in-an-alberta-town-parents-fight-for-a-secular-education/article1931158/

vibe666 · 08-03-2011 4:42pm

i wasn't sure if i should put it in the funny side of religion or here, but oits more funny because it's not funny if you know what i mean and is more of a parable of the hazards of belief so it might be better served here.

oh, and i robbed it from sickipedia.

Let me tell you the fable of the Atheist and The Christian.

Once there was an Atheist named Mark. He didn't believe in God and as a result realized that there was no point in anything and had no morals. He made a fortune out of exploiting starving Ethiopian children and selling women as slaves on a black market to the highest bidder. He made loads and loads of money and retired to a Mediterranean villa next to the sea, with servants and concubines at his beck and call.

Living in parallel with Mark, is a Christian, named Oliver. He believes in God, Jesus and the Bible and spends his life giving everything to charity and helping aid organizations. He gets scammed and scammed all over again because he turns the other cheek and so never has a pot to piss in.

Both men are on their deathbeds, and Oliver, in a frenzy of anger at God, curses God as he believes that God has treated him unfairly, and hasn't rewarded him for his lifetime of servitude. He dies immediately after saying this and goes straight to hell for denouncing God.

Mark on the other hand is on his deathbed and suddenly realizes that Christianity is right, and that there is a God, and that Free Will exists, and that Jesus died to save us, and that all suffering is in God's divine plan, and so his last living act is to pray to God and apologize for his life of exploiting starving Africans, selling prostitutes, smuggling drugs inside babies and scamming charities. Because he does this, Mark goes to heaven.

And that my friends, is Christian logic.

10-03-2011 4:30pm

A city church has begun an investigation after it's ashes caused a mystery rash among some schoolchildren yesterday.

Several staff and pupils from St Francis Primary School Tirellan Heights suffered chemical reactions to the ashes from Ballinfoyle Church of the Resurrection.

It's understood the reactions are minor but the school principal Enda Kilbane has refused to comment on the children's condition.

Ballinfoyle Church Parish Priest Fr Gerry Thornton says no chemicals were added to the ashes and he's now going to have them analysed to discover the cause of the chemical burning and prevent any similar reactions in future.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/18219-church-ashes-cause-mystery-rash-city-schoolchildren

CiaranMT · 10-03-2011 5:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.galwaynews.ie/18219-church-ashes-cause-mystery-rash-city-schoolchildren

Should be in funny thread

The Mad Hatter · 11-03-2011 4:53pm

Astrologer's claims the Japanese earthquake was caused by a "supermoon" reported as fact by the *spits* Mail.

That Worthless, Offensive rag wrote:

The powerful tsunami that today slammed into Japan's eastern coast comes just two days after warnings that the movement of the moon could trigger unpredictable events on Earth.

Astrologers predicted [wtf!? Seriously?! -TMH] that on March 19 - a week tomorrow - the so-called 'supermoon' will be closer to Earth than at any time since 1992 ... and that its gravitational pull will bring chaos to Earth.

Link, not to the Mail, but to Ben Goldacre's response.

CiaranMT · 12-03-2011 1:11am

Oh sweet jesus....

Dave! · 12-03-2011 5:13pm

http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-los-angeles/minister-s-wife-starves-herself-to-death

Minister's wife starves herself to death

Evelyn Boyd, 55, wife of Rev. John Boyd of Higher Praise Full Gospel Ministries in Bartow, Florida, died alone in her room after fasting for 3 weeks. She was dead at least 1-3 days before her body was discovered by her husband. Those are the bare facts of this tragedy but there's more to the story than that. There are lessons to be learned. Here are some of the details:

...

In late 2008, Evelyn retired from work in order, John Boyd said, to have more time to help people and become closer to God. Both she and her husband were accustomed to fasting as an act of devotion. In John's case, fasts might last 2 or 3 days but Evelyn's devotionals took far longer. She would shut herself into her bedroom sometimes for weeks on end with only such meager supplies as she thought she needed. Since there was no adjoining bathroom, these included plastic bags for waste that, when filled, were lowered into a garbage can outside her window. She allowed no one to see her while fasting and she never checked with a doctor beforehand. Her husband said she didn't believe in them.

In 2009, Evelyn Boyd began fasting in earnest. On two occasions fasts lasted 21 days; another lasted 23 days. The longest one was for 40 days though she allowed herself some bread and crackers that time. On Feb. 7, Evelyn Boyd entered her bedroom with her plastic bags and water containers for the last time. John Boyd says he wanted to check on her but respected her need for alone time with God. On March 5, John was returning home from an overnight fishing trip in the early hours of the morning when he saw that her bedroom window was open despite the bitter chill in the air. That's when he entered and discovered Evelyn's lifeless body.

Though the official autopsy reports won't be ready for nearly 30 days, Associate Medical Examiner Dr. Vera Volnikh believes Evelyn died from severe dehydration. A small amount of liquid was found in her stomach but there was no evidence of any food. The Polk County Sheriff's Office is investigating the the death but doesn't anticipate that any charges will be filed.

Evelyn Boyd was obeying what God told her to do, John Boyd said. "God called her home."

...

Byron85 · 14-03-2011 2:01am

Looks like an interesting documentary. Don't have the time to watch it tonight/this morning but will do so on the morrow.

American Crusaders: The rise of Christian nationalism in Post-9/11 America.

A harrowing exploration of the rapid rise of American religious fanaticism after 9/11. This film explores an emerging ultra-rightwing mass movement seeking dominion over all aspects of contemporary American society. The film weaves archival video, contemporary Christian Nationalist movement propaganda (recruiting videos, apocalyptic/military video game imagery, etc. and original investigative material) to create an intense examination of the mindset and its will to power.

http://rt.com/programs/documentary/11-america-part-1/