The Hazards of Belief

joseph brand

Do religious folks ever stop thinking about sex? They're obsessed with gay sex.

Gbear

"London is one of the most tolerant cities in the world and intolerant of intolerance."

A bizarre choice of words making the statement utterly nonsensical.

recedite

Gbear wrote: »

A bizarre choice of words making the statement utterly nonsensical.

Ah no, Boris just loves a bit of irony, which makes it hard for some to take him seriously, but his heart is in the right place.

CiaranMT

recedite wrote: »

Ah no, Boris just loves a bit of irony, which makes it hard for some to take him seriously, but his heart is in the right place.

Yeah, I don't think he takes himself all that seriously.

Penn

CiaranMT wrote: »

Yeah, I don't think he takes himself all that seriously.

Except when he's playing wiff-waff

Genghiz Cohen

recedite wrote: »

Ah no, Boris just loves a bit of irony, which makes it hard for some to take him seriously, but his heart is in the right place.

I couldn't fail to disagree with you less.

Penn

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

I couldn't fail to disagree with you less.

Has anyone ever been so far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

robindch

A monk asked Joshu, "Has a dog Buddha-nature or not?"

Joshu answered "Mu".

Sarky

Those Zen masters were all trolls of the highest order.

Galvasean

koth wrote: »

Leading Indian Rationalist facing blasphemy charges over miracle clash with Catholic Church

So they are charging him with blasphemy for exposing a fake miracle? You'd think they'd be happy.

Delirium

Galvasean wrote: »

So they are charging him with blasphemy for exposing a fake miracle? You'd think they'd be happy.

Fake miracles get more people in the door than no miracles

robindch

"Swedish town rocked by second child exorcism" -- immigrants from DR Congo assault and electrocute their ten-year old daughter because of "evil spirits". Various priests up in front of the beak too:

http://www.thelocal.se/40250/20120413/

robindch

robindch wrote: »

"Swedish town rocked by second child exorcism" -- immigrants from DR Congo assault and electrocute their ten-year old daughter because of "evil spirits". Various priests up in front of the beak too:

http://www.thelocal.se/40250/20120413/

as her parents tried to exorcise her from evil spirits.

I thought it was usually the other way around

how disgusting, i don't know how anyone could do that to their own baby

Nodin

robindch wrote: »

"Swedish town rocked by second child exorcism" -- immigrants from DR Congo assault and electrocute their ten-year old daughter because of "evil spirits". Various priests up in front of the beak too:

http://www.thelocal.se/40250/20120413/

Seems to be a lot of that about
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/01/couple-guilty-boy-murder-witchcraft?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

joseph brand

At Age 19, From Utah to Uganda.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/education/edlife/at-age-19-from-utah-to-uganda.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=church&st=cse&scp=6

From Utah to Uganda. Seeking out the vulnerable, trying to convert them to Mormonism.

Missionaries are slingshot into an intensive, airtight and sometimes lonely schedule of prayer, Scripture study and door-to-door proselytizing six days a week, 52 weeks a year. They are to abstain from virtually every earthly pleasure — not just the usual temptations prohibited under Mormonism, like premarital sex, alcohol, tobacco, coffee and tea, but also magazines, television and music not sanctioned by the church. They can call home two days a year, on Christmas and Mother’s Day.

Tea? /scratches head

“It’s a lot harder to teach the people in Europe than the people in Africa,” adds Elder Lee, Elder Davis’s companion. “It’s Africa’s time.”

Again we see the uneducated/ ignorant are shown to be far more susceptible to religious teachings.

For Elder Davis, the cord was cut on a Christmas. He phoned his girlfriend of more than five years. She told him she had met someone else and was going to be married. “It happens a lot on missions,” he says.

Well then, don't go on missions. The mind boggles.

seamus

Clearly one hazard of belief is a propensity to state the obvious:

Mayo TD blames unwanted babies on the act of sex

OK, lexical hilarity aside (yes, I'm aware that "fornication" traditionally means pre-marital sex), I'm actually having difficulty figuring out what she's trying to say.

Is she saying that because a child is the result of a sin, and we don't legislate for sins like greed, hate and fornication, that we shouldn't legislate for abortion?

Or is it just a spewed pile of nonsense way of saying, "If you have sex outside of marriage, tough ****, accept your baby because you're a sinner!"

dmw07

^^^^^^^^^^^^


Pro-marriage maybe. That's what i thought initially. She sounded like benny, with his condoms cause aids line of thought. The only thing that doesn't is marriage, so he says. Similar retarded line of thought in this woman's thinking perhaps. A mind that is completely indoctrinated so that logic is replaced with dogma, skewing rational and opinion can't function well. Pains me when i see it.

My guess, the most likely cause of unwanted pregnancies is alcohol. But let's not talk about what the real issues may be. Let's all push our agendas.

Delirium

"Abortion, as murder, therefore sin, which is the religious argument, is no more sinful, from a scriptural point of view, than all other sins we don't legislate against, like greed, hate and fornication, the latter, being Fornication, I would say, is probably the single most likely cause of unwanted pregnancies in this country," she said.

That's the only way what she said makes even the least bit of sense to me. And even then I'm not sure what she's saying. I'm wondering does she even know what she meant to say

robindch

Vatican gets annoyed with nuns in the USA who are spending too much time worrying about poverty and not enough about abortion and same-sex marriage:

New York Times wrote:

The Vatican has appointed an American bishop to rein in the largest and most influential group of Catholic nuns in the United States, saying that an investigation found that the group had “serious doctrinal problems.” [...]

“I’m stunned,” said Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of Network, a Catholic social justice lobby founded by sisters. Her group was also cited in the Vatican document, along with the Leadership Conference, for focusing its work too much on poverty and economic injustice, while keeping “silent” on abortion and same-sex marriage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

robroy1234

Seamus - I believe the old phrase used to be - "its not a sin if you didn't enjoy it." Therefore my wife is free from sin and I am sinful. What makes me laugh about these religious extremists and their views on celibacy and sex, is that they forget that according to the Law of Moses it is sinful in the eyes of God not to procreate.

joseph brand

robindch wrote: »

Vatican gets annoyed with nuns in the USA who are spending too much time worrying about poverty and not enough about abortion and same-sex marriage:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

The verdict on the nuns group was issued by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which is now led by an American, Cardinal William Levada, formerly the archbishop of San Francisco.

Isn't this the congregation formerly known as the Holy Inquisition? This is unexpected. :P

recedite

robindch wrote: »

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

The verdict on the nuns group was issued by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith...

Meh... nobody listens to them anymore. Since they changed their name from "The Inquisition" and gave up the thumbscrew, their verdicts don't mean jack ****.

Hotblack Desiato

Nobody expects... The Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith!!!

Delirium

Boko Haram kill 7 civilians in north Nigeria: government

MAIDUGURI, Nigeria (Reuters) - Gunmen from radical Islamist sect Boko Haram have killed at least seven civilians in the past 24 hours in a spate of attacks in northern Nigeria, police said on Thursday.

Boko Haram, which wants to carve an Islamic state out of Africa's most populous nation split evenly between Muslims and Christians, has killed hundreds in almost daily gun and bomb attacks this year.

robindch

seamus wrote: »

Mayo TD blames unwanted babies on the act of sex

In response, Independent Roscommon-South Leitrim TD Luke “Ming” Flanagan points out:

Ming the Merciless wrote:

Archbishop McQuaid’s crozier is firmly still around your necks

FouxDaFaFa

Boko Haram were the ones responsible for the Christmas Day bombs in Nigerian christian churches, weren't they? That was a horrible story.

Delirium

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Boko Haram were the ones responsible for the Christmas Day bombs in Nigerian christian churches, weren't they? That was a horrible story.

Yes, that was them.

qrrgprgua

seamus wrote: »

Clearly one hazard of belief is a propensity to state the obvious:

Mayo TD blames unwanted babies on the act of sex

OK, lexical hilarity aside (yes, I'm aware that "fornication" traditionally means pre-marital sex), I'm actually having difficulty figuring out what she's trying to say.

Is she saying that because a child is the result of a sin, and we don't legislate for sins like greed, hate and fornication, that we shouldn't legislate for abortion?

Or is it just a spewed pile of nonsense way of saying, "If you have sex outside of marriage, tough ****, accept your baby because you're a sinner!"

I know Michelle and since she was a councillor she has done great work. I think her solicitor speak sometimes gets in the way. But in a town where we have Darragh Calleary and Michelle Mulherin she does a lot of work. For sure she is one of the few TD's that does actually work.

A child conceved from a one night stand or a child conceived from marriage, both are still children, both human beings, both equal. Who should we legislate to allow women kill unwanted children.

Nodin

qrrgprgua wrote: »

I know Michelle and since she was a councillor she has done great work. I think her solicitor speak sometimes gets in the way. But in a town where we have Darragh Calleary and Michelle Mulherin she does a lot of work. For sure she is one of the few TD's that does actually work.

A child conceved from a one night stand or a child conceived from marriage, both are still children, both human beings, both equal. Who should we legislate to allow women kill unwanted children.

You realise that debate wasn't about abortion as a means of contraception?

Hotblack Desiato

robindch wrote: »

In response, Independent Roscommon-South Leitrim TD Luke “Ming” Flanagan points out:

I would disagree with much, or even most, of what he says but he's dead right there.

ShooterSF

koth wrote: »

Seems the mayor of London isn't too happy about the ads and has made a move to block them.

Anti-gay adverts on London buses blocked by Boris Johnson

More oppression of the poor Christians!

Hotblack Desiato

So Boris is an aggressive secularist, too?

Yesterday's weekly rant in the Irish Times from John Waters was a good laugh as usual. Apparently Benedict is teh greatest pope evar :pac:

Why media apparatchiks are hostile to Pope Benedict

robindch

robindch wrote: »

Vatican gets annoyed with nuns in the USA who are spending too much time worrying about poverty and not enough about abortion and same-sex marriage

Looks like the Vatican might have ruffled one too many wimples. The Vatican has said that the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents 80% of America's 57,000 nuns, is to be "reformed" over a period of five years by their man, Peter Sartain, the Archbishop of Seattle. The nun who runs the organization said:

Simone Campbell wrote:

I don't think the bishops have any idea of what they're in for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17794961

Watch this space.

Delirium

NY teen gets prison in religious-dispute firebomb

A Hasidic teenager was sentenced Tuesday to seven years in prison for the firebomb attack that badly burned a neighbor during a religious dispute in an insular Jewish enclave.

Spitzer admitted that he attacked Aron Rottenberg, a plumber, outside Rottenberg's home in May. He said he did it because Rottenberg defied New Square's grand rabbi by worshiping with nursing home residents rather than at New Square's main synagogue.

muppeteer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/19/saudi-arabia-beheading-woman-withcraft

A Sri Lankan woman could face the death penalty by beheading after she was arrested on suspicion of casting a spell on a 13-year-old girl during a family shopping trip, a police spokesman said on Wednesday.

...

In December, Amnesty International condemned the beheading of a woman in Saudi Arabia convicted on charges of "sorcery and witchcraft," saying it underlined the urgent need to end executions in the kingdom.

Amnesty said the execution was the second of its kind last year. A Sudanese national was beheaded in the Saudi city of Medina in September after being convicted on sorcery charges, according to the London-based group.

Galvasean

What's the deal with all this 'withcraft' stuff? How does somebody identify someone else, say a child, as being a witch?

MagicMarker

Galvasean wrote: »

What's the deal with all this 'withcraft' stuff? How does somebody identify someone else, say a child, as being a witch?

Kivaro

Galvasean wrote: »

What's the deal with all this 'withcraft' stuff? How does somebody identify someone else, say a child, as being a witch?

Interesting question Galv.

Pope "Innocent" started the ball rolling on the murder of hundreds of thousands of (really) innocent human beings. By the way, Pope "Innocent" tried his best to avoid paradise during his dying days by suckling the breasts of a nursing mother and he was also given blood transfusions from 3 boys who all died in the procedure.

It will be no surprise to anyone that it was all an expense account scam. Those who were accused of witchcraft had to pay for the torturer's wine, and all the costs of the "investigation" and execution, with bonuses for each witch burned. The executed individual's estate was then divided between the church and state.

The identification process was also a scam e.g. a sudden rainstorm that occurred after a girl pulled up her stockings, a birth mark (usually sought by the priests in the genitalia area) etc., etc.

Ah yes, religion. You gotta love it.

robindch

Galvasean wrote: »

How does somebody identify someone else, say a child, as being a witch?

A lot closer to this than you might think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr8DIg3oHFI

robindch

A Brazilian actor has died after accidentally hanging himself while playing Judas in an Easter Passion play.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817352

Kivaro

robindch wrote: »

A Brazilian actor has died after accidentally hanging himself while playing Judas in an Easter Passion play.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817352

Can the actor playing Jesus account for his whereabouts at the time of this "accident"?

joseph brand

Prayers used to pacify an unruly volcano in Mexico.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817328


No need for early warning systems or evacuation procedures. Just have a bit of an oul pray.

Penn

joseph brand wrote: »

Prayers used to pacify an unruly volcano in Mexico.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817328


No need for early warning systems or evacuation procedures. Just have a bit of an oul pray.

Plan B:

legspin

robindch wrote: »

A Brazilian actor has died after accidentally hanging himself while playing Judas in an Easter Passion play.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817352

That the poor schmuck is dead is no laughing matter but I just couldn't stop myself from giggling uncontrolably at that.

The Mad Hatter

robindch wrote: »

A Brazilian actor has died after accidentally hanging himself while playing Judas in an Easter Passion play.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817352

In fairness, that's really a hazard of having an incompetent stage manager.

mikhail

joseph brand wrote: »

Prayers used to pacify an unruly volcano in Mexico.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817328


No need for early warning systems or evacuation procedures. Just have a bit of an oul pray.

Oh, they have those too, but there are still plenty of fairly uneducated Mexicans, and so Christianity and assorted death cults still have a big voice there.

joseph brand

mikhail wrote: »

Oh, they have those too, but there are still plenty of fairly uneducated Mexicans, and so Christianity and assorted death cults still have a big voice there.

Poverty stricken communities who live in huts are easy pray prey. It just depends on which religion gets there first.

mikhail

joseph brand wrote: »

Poverty stricken communities who live in huts are easy pray prey. It just depends on which religion gets there first.

Christianity was far from first in Mexico. Though when it came, it came with well-armed Spaniards.

Galvasean

joseph brand wrote: »

Prayers used to pacify an unruly volcano in Mexico.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17817328


No need for early warning systems or evacuation procedures. Just have a bit of an oul pray.

mikhail wrote: »

Christianity was far from first in Mexico. Though when it came, it came with well-armed Spaniards.

Remember when you could just throw a girl into a volcano?

The Mad Hatter

Galvasean wrote: »

Remember when you could just throw a girl into a volcano?

Cabin in the Woods?