The Hazards of Belief

Galvasean

shizz wrote: »

EH!!! PROOF THEY DID!!!

CREATIONISTS 1 EVOLUTIONISTS 0

That critter walks about as well as Stephen Hawking...

Bannasidhe

shizz wrote: »

EH!!! PROOF THEY DID!!!

CREATIONISTS 1 EVOLUTIONISTS 0

Very grainy photo - what kind of film stock did those early men use? Is it hand tinted?

shizz

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Very grainy photo - what kind of film stock did those early men use? Is it hand tinted?

IT WAS PROVIDED BY GOD! FOUND IN THE APPENDICES OF THE BIBLE!

Bannasidhe

shizz wrote: »

IT WAS PROVIDED BY GOD! FOUND IN THE APPENDICES OF THE BIBLE!

Ah yes - I forgot about the Dead Sea Multi-media texts and email attachments found by a goat herder in 1789.

Nodin

Galvasean wrote: »

If the Loch Ness monster were proven to be real it would not show that dinosaurs walked the Earth alongside humans because:
1) Nessie is supposed to be a plesiosaur, not a dinosaur.
2) Plesiosaurs could not walk as they had no feet.

It has "saur" in its name and feety flippers like cousin Merl. Thats good 'nuff fer me.

Adam Khor

So, basically, in New York, the word "dinosaur" will be banned in schools due to it being "offensive" to creationists, yet in Louisiana the Loch Ness monster is real? There's even creationist museums there for crying out loud, using the appeal of dinosaurs to draw in the masses, children especially. >.<

I wonder what the Muslim say about dinosaurs and all that? Anyone knows?

Banbh

The Islamic position on evolution is interesting. If you do a search you will find a thousand contradictory views, obfuscation, lies, nonsense and downright silliness. So, it is basically the same story as Christianity which can best be summarised as 'believe what we tell you or we'll kill you" which is a damn convincing scientific argument.

Galvasean

Adam Khor wrote: »

There's even creationist museums there for crying out loud, using the appeal of dinosaurs to draw in the masses, children especially. >.<

joseph brand

My eyebrows couldn't have been any higher watching this display of ignorance.

Sherri Shepherd: "Is the world flat?" "I don't know".

They sound like a gaggle of geese, no offence to geese. Press '4' to avoid the rest of the rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE

Banbh

I don't think that woman actually believed that the Earth is flat it's just that she thought the question had no relevance for her. Willfully ignorant!

The USA is beginning to pay the price for allowing superstition and fundamentalist religion replace the scientific method in the schools.

And remember they have the world's greatest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.

shizz

joseph brand wrote: »

My eyebrows couldn't have been any higher watching this display of ignorance.

Sherri Shepherd: "Is the world flat?" "I don't know".

They sound like a gaggle of geese, no offence to geese. Press '4' to avoid the rest of the rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE

That show should be called "The Blind".

robindch

Salvation Army media director says that gays deserve to die:

http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2012/06/25/salvation-army-media-relations-director-gays-should-be-put-to-death/

The justification is that "that’s our belief."

Interview wrote:

RYAN: . . . that says, according to the Salvation Army, that [they] deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?

CRAIBE: Well, that’s a part of our belief system.

RYAN (cutting in): So we should die.

CRAIBE: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that’s our belief.

RYAN: Wow. So we should die.

…

RYAN: It’s going into Romans again . . . I accept that you’re out there wanting to help people . . . I don’t accept that this sexuality that is part of my DNA is a choice. I also don’t accept the support of any religion in a financial sense, and this is what the gay community is up in arms about: that you’re proposing in your religious doctrine and the way that you train — this is partof your training of your soldiers — that because we’re gay, that — we must die. If you go to Romans, book 1, 18-32, it’s all there, mate. I mean, how can you stand by that? How is that Christian?

CRAIBE: Well, well, because that is part of our Christian doctrine –

RYAN (interrupting): But how is that Christian? Shouldn’t it be about love?

CRAIBE: — that’s our understanding of that. Well, the love that we would show is about that: consideration for all human beings to come to know salvation –

RYAN: Or die. . .

CRAIBE: Well, yes.

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

Salvation Army media director says that gays deserve to die:

http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2012/06/25/salvation-army-media-relations-director-gays-should-be-put-to-death/

The justification is that "that’s our belief."

This Gay believes the Salvation Army Media director needs a slap of a stocking of ****.

Turtwig

robindch wrote: »

Salvation Army media director says that gays deserve to die:

What about all those innocent Worms?

robindch

Nice one in from Russia today:

You'll all remember [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/world/europe/in-russia-a-watch-vanishes-up-orthodox-leaders-sleeve.html
]Patriarch Kirill's magic watch[/url] from a few months back? The one that was in one photo, then disappeared, only to leave a ghostly reflection resting on the table, causing Kirill to be awarded the annual Silver Welly award for the "the most dubious achievements in show business":



Well, it turns out that Russian christians were so upset by this vicious, unprovoked award that they persuaded United Russia -- the ruling party which is, no siree, not run by Putin at all, for that would be against the law -- effectively to introduce the offense of blasphemy:

http://rt.com/politics/united-russia-church-dignity-457/

Hard to say how well that worked though, since the Duma denied the claim and now christians are petitioning Putin for protection from a small radio station with a sense of humor, and other insults:

http://rt.com/politics/orthodox-christians-putin-protection-963/

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

Hard to say how well that worked though, since the Duma denied the claim and now christians are petitioning Putin for protection from a small radio station with a sense of humor, and other insults:

http://rt.com/politics/orthodox-christians-putin-protection-963/

The letter also calls for introduction of the Basics of the Orthodox Culture in schools and giving the Church air time on the national TV channels.

Quick - someone phone RTE - they could flog the Angelus to the Russians!!!!!!

Galvasean

Big ol' Russia being oppressed by those lil' pesky militant skeptics. Damn them with their peeping eyes!

fitz0

They're still after Salman Rushdie.

http://kotaku.com/5922293/they-couldnt-kill-salman-rushdie-in-real-life-so-theyre-making-a-video-game

On February 14, 1989, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwā against Salman Rushdie, calling for the assassination of the British Indian author of The Satanic Verses. Seeing as Rushdie is still alive, it didn't go so well. Now a state-sponsored Iranian student organization plans on correcting that oversight with The Stressful Life of Salman Rushdie and Implementation of his Verdict, a video game aimed at teaching new generations the importance of killing that one guy.

The Satanic Verses, first published in 1988, set the Islamic world aflame with its irreverant depiction of the prophet Muhammad. The book encompassed a disputed Muslim tradition that speaks of verses added to the Qur'an by Muhammad that allowed three pagan goddesses once worshipped in Mecca as divine entities. The tradition states that Muhammad later denounced the verses, claiming they were whispered to him by the devil, hence the title of the book.

The perceived blasphemy perpetrated by Rushdie and the ensuing fatwā sparked violence around the world. Book stores were bombed, people associated with the novel were attacked, and several attempts were made on the author's life. Fortunately for Rushdie, now Sir Ahmed Salman Rushdie, declaring to the world that you plan on killing someone is an almost surefire way to ensure they stay alive.

The fatwā is still technically on, however, as the only person that could officially rescind it is the issuer, and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini died months after issuing the order.

It sounds like the plot to a spy novel. To the Islamic Association of Students, it's also the plot to a video game.

Representatives from the student association talked about The Stressful Life of Salman Rushdie and Implementation of his Verdict earlier this week at a computer expo in Iran. Speaking to Iranian newswire Mehr, association rep Mohammed-Taqi Fakhrian said, "We felt we should find a way to introduce our third and fourth generation to the fatwa against Salman Rushdie and its importance."

They just want to keep looming death alive.

Details on the game were scarce, leaving us free to imagine a game in which the aging author dodges knives and gunfire Matrix-style as a means of explaining why previous attempts on his life had failed. Is that dubstep I hear?

The Stressful Life of Salman Rushdie and Implementation of his Verdict has been in development for three years, and the association plans on releasing it in the Iranian market soon.

Rushdie himself is on record as not being a big fan of video games. He is, however, a big fan of himself, so maybe he'll give this one a go.

Sarky

Islamic or no, I'll still be surprised if it doesn't contain a scantily clad large breasted badly characterised token female character.

fitz0

Sarky wrote: »

Islamic or no, I'll still be surprised if it doesn't contain a scantily clad large breasted badly characterised token female character.

Under a burka lest we all get that raping urge that's so uncontrollable.

Galvasean

fitz0 wrote: »

They're still after Salman Rushdie.

http://kotaku.com/5922293/they-couldnt-kill-salman-rushdie-in-real-life-so-theyre-making-a-video-game

"We felt we should find a way to introduce our third and fourth generation to the fatwa against Salman Rushdie and its importance."

- You mean three, maybe four generations of these bozos have failed to get him? They really suck at killing people.

WORST. FATWA. EVER.

joseph brand

Anybody want to do a Quantum Healing Hypnosis class?

It's only $1,550 if you live in Germany. (Level 1) :eek:

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The Subconscious will select what past life to show individual which they will be guided through by either Dolores or the QHHT practitioner conducting the session. The past life the Subconscious chooses to show an individual is always relevant to the current life the individual is living now and it is not uncommon for multiple Past Lives to be shown during a single session. Dolores or the QHHT practitioner will navigate an individual through a Past Life using a series of questions to help determine the time period and social setting of the life.

'A fool and their money . . '

Nodin

Nasty bunch of arseholes......

On Sunday, Ansar Dine rebels continued to smash mausoleums of Muslim saints in Timbuktu - action reminiscent of the Taliban blowing up the giant Buddhas of the Bamiyan Valley in Afghanistan – because they see them as idolatrous and un-Islamic.
But regional expert Mathieu Guidere said the destruction of the tombs, while following an Islamist agenda, had much more to do with sending a strong message to Bamako, who had asked international heritage body UNESCO to add Timbuktu to their list of endangered sites.

http://www.france24.com/en/20120701-timbuktu-mausoleum-attacks-bamako-mali-islamist-al-qaeda-ansar-dine-tuareg

fitz0

Nodin wrote: »

Nasty bunch of arseholes......


http://www.france24.com/en/20120701-timbuktu-mausoleum-attacks-bamako-mali-islamist-al-qaeda-ansar-dine-tuareg

This is absolutely disgraceful and is a prime example of how religion is a damaging influence.

In other news, the Giant's Causeway visitor's centre gives space to 'God did it' in it's exhibition.

http://www.u.tv/News/Causeway-centre-gives-creationist-view/530750a4-b3bb-4c0e-baf1-4cc65e7e6652

The National Trust said it wanted to "reflect and respect" the fact that some people contest the views of mainstream science.

Its state-of-the-art new complex, which opened on Tuesday, features an interactive audio exhibition showcasing the stories and the science behind the Giants' Causeway.

It looks at the origins of the basaltic columns on the Co Antrim coastline.

The trust said that the exhibit gives recognition to the fact that, for creationists, the debate about the age of the Earth is still ongoing.

A statement read: "The Giants' Causeway has always prompted debate about how it was formed and how old it is.

"One of the exhibits in the Giants' Causeway Visitors' Centre interpretation tells the story of the part the Giants' Causeway played in the debate about how the Earth's rocks were formed and the age of the Earth.

"This is an interactive audio exhibition in which visitors can hear some of the different debates from historical characters.

"In this exhibition we also acknowledge that for some people, this debate continues today and we reflect and respect the fact that creationists today have a different perspective on the age of the Earth from that of mainstream science."

The National Trust worked alongside the Caleb Foundation, which represents mainstream evangelical Christians in Northern Ireland, during the development of the centre.

Its chairman, Wallace Thompson, said he is pleased with the result of the engagement and the inclusion of the creationist view.

"We have worked closely with the National Trust over many months with a view to ensuring that the new Causeway Visitor Centre includes an acknowledgement both of the legitimacy of the creationist position on the origins of the unique Causeway stones and of the ongoing debate around this," Mr Thompson said.

"We want to thank senior National Trust officials who have worked closely with us over a prolonged period, and we are pleased that this constructive engagement has helped to bring about such a positive result.

"This is, as far as we are aware, a first for the National Trust anywhere in the UK, and it sets a precedent for others to follow."

Over 600,000 visitors come to see the Unesco World Heritage Site every year.

The £18.5m new centre, which takes the form of an underground complex with a sloping grass roof hiding it from view, opened its doors to the public some 11 years after the previous one was destroyed in a fire.

© UTV News

I wonder does it give equal space to the no less credible Fionn McCumhaill built the causeway as a bridge to go fight another giant.

Dades

fitz0 wrote: »

In other news, the Giant's Causeway visitor's centre gives space to 'God did it' in it's exhibition.

Well that's just infuriated me.

fitz0

Me too, creationism is actually taking hold in important places up north. With the new inclusiveness of the power sharing arrangement the wacky elements of the unionist side (mostly) are really taking hold.

It's such a shame because the Giant's Causeway is such a fantastic natural formation that, if anything, shows the wonder of nature divorced from a god. Telling people that 'god made these hexagons to show his amazing hexagonal powers' is just disheartening.

Quatermain

That is just depressing. Absolutely mortifying.

recedite

The evangelical protestant lobby group called the Caleb Foundation seems to have been given a big input into the content of the exhibition.
Not really surprising though, considering Giants Causeway has the misfortune to be located in the DUP heartland of North Antrim. It could have been much worse, Paisley Junior and Arlene Foster tried to give the site over to a DUP property developer buddy, Seymour Sweeney. That probably would not have ended well at all.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7030647.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7057673.stm

Mythology, geology, religion and politics all rolled into one. That's Antrim for you.

Sarky

Seriously, what the sh*t. As if centuries of sectarian murder wasn't enough, now Northern Ireland has to go full retard with creationism too?

Galvasean

fitz0 wrote: »

I wonder does it give equal space to the no less credible Fionn McCumhaill built the causeway as a bridge to go fight another giant.

I visited as a kid and they had a big mural of that. Crucially though, they said it was a legend.

Nodin

Article wrote:

"We have worked closely with the National Trust over many months with a view to ensuring that the new Causeway Visitor Centre includes an acknowledgement both of the legitimacy of the creationist position on the origins of the unique Causeway stones and of the ongoing debate around this"

ye fucken wha?

recedite

I'm heading up there with my red graffiti marker pen. Not sure which "improvement" to use though?

the exhibit gives recognition to the laughable fact that, for creationists, the debate about the age of the Earth is still ongoing.

the exhibit gives recognition to the fact that, for creationists, the debate about the shape of the Earth is still ongoing.

Sarky

No, I just had to email them to see if that was true, because seriously, what the hell?

EDIT: FFS, the National Trust's email inbox is full. Hopefully it's full of emails asking "What the f*ck is wrong with you?"

robindch

...waits for creationists to start whining about persecution...

postitnote

Sarky wrote: »

Seriously, what the sh*t. As if centuries of sectarian murder wasn't enough, now Northern Ireland has to go full retard with creationism too?

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Please don't lump all us Nordies in together as being formerly sectarian and now right wing, fundamentalist nutjobs.

That's just the politicians. The rest of us try to get on with life.

This isn't new for the DUP by the way, when the Ulster Museum refurbished fairly recently one of our 'representatives' kicked up a fuss that there was no creationist exhibit, but there was one for dinosaurs.

(PS As i'm new i'll let you know, just don't tell any of our politicians up here: There is no god)

Sarky

That wasn't my intention, sorry. Yes, politicians up there are a whole different breed of crazy/stupid.

Dades

robindch wrote: »

...waits for creationists to start whining about persecution...

Me too.



* Not me in picture

Penn

I hear that from now on, to avoid upsetting creationists, all presenters on Blue Peter now have to say "Here's one either God or I made earlier"

postitnote

Sarky wrote: »

That wasn't my intention, sorry. Yes, politicians up there are a whole different breed of crazy/stupid.

Apologies not needed at all Sarky, no offence was taken. I know I live in a land of dinosaurs.

I'm assuming the Giants Causeway sh*tstorm has something to do with this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyn_Storey

and:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism

I used to vote DUP!!

Sarky

postitnote wrote: »

I know I live in a land of dinosaurs.

They're a test of our faith!

shizz

postitnote wrote: »

Apologies not needed at all Sarky, no offence was taken. I know I live in a land of dinosaurs.

I'm assuming the Giants Causeway sh*tstorm has something to do with this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyn_Storey

and:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism

I used to vote DUP!!

The belief that the Earth was divinely created in 4004 BC originates with the writings of another Ulster-based Protestant, Archbishop of Armagh James Ussher, in 1654. Ussher calculated the date based on textual clues in the Old Testament, even settling on a date and time for the moment of creation: in the early hours of 23 October.

Give this man a nobel prize for God sake!!!

fitz0

postitnote wrote: »

Apologies not needed at all Sarky, no offence was taken. I know I live in a land of dinosaurs.

I'm assuming the Giants Causeway sh*tstorm has something to do with this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyn_Storey

and:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism

I used to vote DUP!!

Heh, he brought this fella to mind.

mikhail

postitnote wrote: »

...(PS As i'm new i'll let you know, just don't tell any of our politicians up here: There is no god)

Ah, but are ye a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?

Proxima Centauri

[MOD EDIT - Moved this from a new thread as it was already discussed here]

You may have already seen!!

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/07/national-trust-promotes-creationism-at-new-visitor-centre

SAD! I really dread to think this nonsense is making it's way over here. :mad:

There is also a facebook page setup if you're interested:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/263351503764526/263524477080562/?notif_t=group_activity

postitnote

mikhail wrote: »

Ah, but are ye a Mumbo Jumbo atheist or a Mumbo Jumbo atheist?

Fixed that for you

I'm trying to work out the difference here, bear with me.

Protestant Atheist, no wait... Ex protestant Atheist

mambo

Dades wrote: »

Well that's just infuriated me.

Let them know what you think!
https://www.facebook.com/GiantsCausewayNationalTrust

Delirium

Pakistan mob burns man to death for 'blasphemy'

A Pakistani mob has taken a man accused of blasphemy from a police station and burnt him to death, police say.

The man was being held for allegedly burning a copy of the Koran in public. The incident took place on the outskirts of Bahawalpur, in Punjab province.

Witnesses said hundreds of people looked on as he screamed for help.

Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law imposes the death penalty for insulting Islam, but it is rarely carried out.

The area where the lynching took place is home to hundreds of madrassas - religious schools - run by radical Islamist or sectarian groups.

Galvasean

postitnote wrote: »

I know I live in a land of dinosaurs.

Take me with you

I heard Brian cox tweeted about the Giant's Causeway issue today. He's so dreamy....

*ahem*

In other news, pro-lifers spoil movies now:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Theater-Employee-Spoils-Prometheus-Political-Reasons-31731.html

Galvasean

koth wrote: »

Pakistan mob burns man to death for 'blasphemy'

I wonder does that IIV guy who was posting here thinks the guy had it coming.

Dades

Galvasean wrote: »

I heard Brian cox tweeted about the Giant's Causeway issue today. He's so dreamy....

If by dreamy you mean creepy, then I agree. :pac: