The Hazards of Belief

Sonics2k

The actual feck is wrong with some people.

recedite

joseph brand wrote: »

http://www.alive.ie/comment.html
For the modern world, the individual is primary. Individuals may come together to advance their own interests, but they carry an underlying resentment against society and its limits on their “freedom” and their “rights”.
For the Catholic Church, on the other hand, society comes first. We are born into a society, the family, and we first come to know ourselves as members of the family, and then of the wider community.

Freedom and rights. Who needs em eh?

Its interesting to look at their use/abuse of the words society and community there.
Surely when individuals band together, that is "a community" and the wider "society" itself is made up of individuals and communities?

So, rephrasing the quote to make it more realistic;

For the modern world Throughout history, the individual is primary. Individuals may come together to advance their own interests, but they carry an underlying resentment against society authority and its limits on their “freedom” and their “rights”.
For the Catholic Church, on the other hand, society the authority of the Church comes first. We are born into a society Church, the family, and we first come to know ourselves as members of the family, and then of the wider communitysociety

recedite

Bible-Basher swindles his brothers and sisters of the faith; "Good, God- fearing people" they were, although more than a bit gullible......

Elvin told the investors he could make millions through his company, Pear Shaped Resources. But the scheme collapsed, leaving investors out of pocket. He was found guilty at an earlier trial of illegally operating an investment scheme on various dates between 2003 and 2005.
During his trial, Elvin, whose Pear Shaped Resources was based in the British Virgin Islands, claimed he was a penniless bible-believer who wanted to raise millions for benevolent causes.

I do like his statement to the court though;

Mr Murphy read a short statement from Elvin in which he asked to be allowed get their money back, saying: “Please allow me to be a giver.”

After all, "tis better to give than to receive" or so the men of the cloth keep telling us :pac:

Wiggles88

Pear Shaped Resources

Love the name :pac:

kylith

ninja900 wrote: »

I'm too young to remember :pac: but apparently if you wanted illicit contraception in the 70s and 80s, Hayes Cunningham Robinson chemists were the place to go, because they were 'Protestant'.

My parents got married at the end of the 60's and apparently it was the norm that engaged women would loan their engagement rings to their friends so they could buy contraceptives.

Hotblack Desiato

recedite wrote: »

After all, "tis better to give than to receive" or so the men of the cloth keep telling us

I can't help but think of that phrase in an entirely different context to that originaly intended... there were many men of the cloth giving what was not wished to be received.

joseph brand

recedite wrote: »

After all, "tis better to give than to receive" or so the men of the cloth keep telling us :pac:

Collection baskets will be passed around in a moment. Give generously. €€€€€€

Nodin

This is sort of applicable....

At least 21 people have been treated for burns after attendees of an event in California for US motivational speaker Tony Robbins tried to walk on hot coals, fire officials said.

The San Jose Mercury News reported that at least three people were taken to hospital, with most suffering second- or third-degree burns.

Robbins was hosting a four-day gathering called "Unleash the Power Within" at the San Jose Convention Centre. Witnesses said that a crowd went to a park where 12 lanes of hot coals were set up on the grass.

Robbins' website promotes "The Firewalk Experience" in which people walk on super-heated coals.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/21-suffer-burns-at-firewalk-event-3175198.html

Quatermain

Nodin wrote: »

This is sort of applicable....


http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/21-suffer-burns-at-firewalk-event-3175198.html

I suppose you could say...

Their soles weren't saved.

YEEEEAAAAHHHHH!

Nodin

Yer man Tim Robbins used have big long informericals on some channel or other. Thousands of eejits jumping round the place feeling "empowered"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins

jcf

Muslims around the world today are starving their kids and not letting them eat until sundown .... How noble ...of course if an atheist were to do this for say diet reasons there would be uproar and all sorts of cruelty to children complaints would ensue.


But no , this is a religious festival and must be " respected " ....


Vile and disgusting

Sonics2k

It's hardly starving them really.

It's pretty stupid, but it's not the worst thing they do honestly.

jcf

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's hardly starving them really.

It's pretty stupid, but it's not the worst thing they do honestly.

Course not , but the point is anyone else did this for non religious reasons there be war , then again were talking about a religion that butchers baby girls genitals and sanctions 9 yr old girls to marry fat 60 yr old men....


Yes indeed , such a noble religion.

Nodin

jcf wrote: »

Muslims around (.........)must be " respected " ....

Vile and disgusting

A sense of proportion is a great thing.

jcf wrote: »

again were talking about a religion that butchers baby girls genitals

We are?
http://www.medindia.net/news/Egyptian-Clerics-Say-Female-Circumcision-UnIslamic-23055-1.htm

Nodin

Nodin wrote: »

A sense of proportion is a great thing.



We are?
http://www.medindia.net/news/Egyptian-Clerics-Say-Female-Circumcision-UnIslamic-23055-1.htm

http://www.rt.com/news/egypt-revive-mutilation-alarm-372/

Kivaro

bluewolf wrote: »

http://www.rt.com/news/egypt-revive-mutilation-alarm-372/

Good god almighty. So it was banned by the dictator in 2007, and now the zealots want it back.

Religion: it's really beginning to annoy me.

Nodin

bluewolf wrote: »

http://www.rt.com/news/egypt-revive-mutilation-alarm-372/

The FJP, however, has denied the reports. And Hussein Ibrahim, head of the party’s parliamentary bloc, told the People’s Assembly that the party did not sponsor any such campaigns

There was a story about wanting to bring in legislation whereby a man could have sex with his dead wife upto 6 hours after her passing as well. This turned out to be a false report from former regime members stirring the shit.

recedite

the party did not sponsor any such campaigns

Politician-speak, useful for when you want to disassociate from something in front of an audience where it would be unpopular, while not actually saying you don't want it to happen, just in case the other (wacky) crowd are listening.

Nodin

recedite wrote: »

Politician-speak, useful for when you want to disassociate from something in front of an audience where it would be unpopular, while not actually saying you don't want it to happen, just in case the other (wacky) crowd are listening.

You'll find that fundamentalists tend to wear their fundamentalism as a badge of honour. Our eyes tend to pick out such things as the proverbial 'dunce cap'. These stories often originate when people are trying to demonise an opponent. The late Khomeini was supposed to have written a book whereby he excused sex with 8 year olds, provided it was not penetrative. He didn't, the book never existed, yet this story still comes up, despite having its origins in the early 1980's.

Is there a problem with FGM? Yes. However its primarily a cultural practice, not a religous one. Theres no point in rejecting one set of false beliefs for another.

recedite

I'd agree that its primarily cultural, and even Christians in Egypt practice it. For Jews it is both religious and cultural.
Religious people tend to be conservative in their attitudes, so culture is given an exaggerated intrinsic value, regardless of the actual pros and cons of the situation.

robindch

Philippines birth control: Filipinos want it, priests don’t and the Vatican moves to block legislation providing free contraception to all Filipino citizens:

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2012/07/philippines-birth-control/

10 Scariest US States to Be An Atheist


http://churchandstate.org.uk/2011/06/10-scariest-states-to-be-an-atheist/

Delirium

Scottish Catholics: Homosexuality cuts lifespan by up to 20 years

Peter Kearney, director of the Scottish Catholic Media Office, said medical research showed there was a link between homosexuality and early death, arguing it was both “hazardous” and “harmful”.

He said there was a “conspiracy of silence” around the issue that prevented society facing up to it in the same manner as health problems such as smoking, drug abuse and obesity.

Quatermain

koth wrote: »

Scottish Catholics: Homosexuality cuts lifespan by up to 20 years

Surely they would be delighted about this, as it would mean they'd be rid of us quicker? They're really flip-flopping on this issue. O_o

Hotblack Desiato

FFS, maybe if the likes of him weren't giving tacit encouragement to persecution of homosexuals then fewer of them would end up dead due to murder or suicide.

Kivaro

robindch wrote: »

10 Scariest US States to Be An Atheist


http://churchandstate.org.uk/2011/06/10-scariest-states-to-be-an-atheist/

Woohoo, I am a scary Atheist in one of the Scariest US States to be an Atheist.

Galvasean

I liked the bit at the end:
"So if you’re ever tempted to ask why atheists are so angry, or why they have to kick up such a fuss all the time, or why they want to organize and form groups based on what they don’t believe in… remember that."

Nodin

Kivaro wrote: »

Woohoo, I am a scary Atheist in one of the Scariest US States to be an Atheist.

Dressin up as Darwin this halloween?

Kivaro

Nodin wrote: »

Dressin up as Darwin this halloween?

Are you kidding? They'd lynch me down here.

But seriously, there are some very progressive areas in the American South.
My local library hosts a freethinkers club once a month (on a Sunday), which is great fun.

And their manners are impeccable. Goin' round callin' me 'Sir' and all.

The Mad Hatter

Kivaro wrote: »

Are you kidding? They'd lynch me down here.

But seriously, there are some very progressive areas in the American South.
My local library hosts a freethinkers club once a month (on a Sunday), which is great fun.

And their manners are impeccable. Goin' round callin' me 'Sir' and all.

"It's the first time someone's ever called me 'Sir' without adding 'you're making a scene.'" -Homer Simpson

Kivaro

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

"It's the first time someone's ever called me 'Sir' without adding 'you're making a scene.'" -Homer Simpson

For me though, it's usually followed by:

"- could you please pull up your pants."

joseph brand

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

"It's the first time someone's ever called me 'Sir' without adding 'you're making a scene.'" -Homer Simpson

joseph brand

Seems fair enough. :rolleyes:

robindch

Summary: A Russian girl-band faces up to seven years in prison for singing an anti-Putin song in a Moscow church. Once a case reaches a Russian court, the likelihood of conviction is roughly 99%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19040414

BBC News wrote:

Pussy Riot members go on trial in Moscow

Three members of Russian punk protest group Pussy Riot have gone on trial, in a case that has divided Russia and inflamed the religious establishment. They were taken into custody in February after singing a song protesting against President Vladimir Putin in Moscow's main cathedral. The song outraged the Russian Orthodox Church. It accused them of blasphemy.

Supporters say the case reflects the state's growing intolerance of government opponents. At the start of the trial, the three women, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, Maria Alyokhina and Yekaterina Samutsevich, were led into court in handcuffs, and locked into a cage of bullet-proof glass.

In court, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova said they would not plead guilty, but that did not mean they were not prepared to apologise for the pain their performance in the cathedral caused. They each stood up and answered a series of questions from the judge in turn, which included their educational level, citizenship and the birthdates of their children.

The women are facing the charge of hooliganism motivated by religious hatred or hostility and could face up to seven years in prison. They caused outrage when they stormed onto the altar of Christ the Saviour Cathedral, and sang an obscenity-laced song that implored the Virgin Mary to "throw Putin out".

The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, has said the act amounted to blasphemy. The case has divided Russia, with many feeling the women have been too harshly treated, and are being made an example of as part of attempts to clamp down on the opposition, the BBC's Daniel Sandford reports from the court.

Two of the women have young children, and all three have repeatedly been denied requests to be given bail while awaiting trial. Pussy Riot made headlines around the world late last year when footage of their controversial public performances at Moscow landmarks such as Red Square attracted millions of viewers on the internet.

More than 100 prominent Russian actors, directors and musicians have urged the authorities to release the three. Western musicians such as Sting and the Red Hot Chili Peppers have also criticised the women's arrest.

Activists have said the case indicates that President Putin, now serving a third term in office, is not heeding calls for him to be more tolerant of political opponents.

robindch

^^^ Pussy Riot in action:

PopePalpatine

^ The Rubberbandits' tea cosy-wearing Russian cousins? :rolleyes:

Nodin

"A couple who had sex outside marriage has been stoned to death at the weekend by Islamists in the town of Aguelhok in northern Mali, officials say.

The man and woman were buried up to their necks, then pelted with stones until they died.

The northern half of Mali has been overrun by rebels - Tuareg and Islamist - following a coup in Mali's capital. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19053442
Grim stuff. The Tuareg cut a rod for their own backs when they got involved with that bunch.

dmw07

Nodin wrote: »

"A couple who had sex outside marriage has been stoned to death at the weekend by Islamists in the town of Aguelhok in northern Mali, officials say.

The man and woman were buried up to their necks, then pelted with stones until they died.

The northern half of Mali has been overrun by rebels - Tuareg and Islamist - following a coup in Mali's capital. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19053442
Grim stuff. The Tuareg cut a rod for their own backs when they got involved with that bunch.

I literally got sick in my mouth when I read this. It beggars belief.

robindch

Villagers spend centuries praying for the glacier to retreat. As soon as it does, the Vatican took a year to grant them permission to start praying for it to come back.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/swiss-bishop-calls-on-power-of-prayer-to-bring-back-ice-20120730-239z7.html

Guardian wrote:

YOU'VE got to hand it to the Catholic Church - sometimes its methods work. In 1678, the inhabitants of Fiesch, in the Swiss canton of Valais, exasperated with the glaciers that loomed ever larger over their village and swallowed up their pasturage, inaugurated an annual pilgrimage. The hope was to banish the ice forms with chants, prayers and holy water. Several centuries later, their prayers appear to have been answered.

But the glaciers have carried on retreating, and not just the Fiesch and Aletsch, which happen to be the two largest in the Alps. Swiss glaciers are shrinking, on average, by 10 metres a year, and the consequences are proving dire for some.

The Giesen glacier in the Jungfrau massif has developed a large crack, and is at risk of collapse, potentially unleashing floodwaters on the village of Lauterbrunnen. A melting glacier in the region of Zermatt has forced the Swiss and Italian authorities to renegotiate their frontier. The new one, expected to shift about 100 metres in Switzerland's favour, will be announced later this year.

A few years ago, on behalf of Fiesch and other villages now deprived of the glaciers' shadow, as well as the Valaisan tourist board, the Bishop of Sion petitioned the Vatican to authorise a change in the processional liturgy (which still takes place each year) so that the villagers could ask God to stop the ice shrinking instead. The Holy See cogitated for a year before agreeing and the modified prayers will get their first airing at today's procession.
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If they are not effective, residents might cheer themselves with the news that some groups have found positive uses for the disappearing glaciers.

Environmentalists have proposed turbines powered by the meltwater to replace nuclear energy and archaeologists are having a field day as the receding ice reveals treasures, including the wreck of a US B17 bomber, which crashed in 1944 and came to light last year in a valley above Klosters.

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

Villagers spend centuries praying for the glacier to retreat. As soon as it does, the Vatican took a year to grant them permission to start praying for it to come back.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/swiss-bishop-calls-on-power-of-prayer-to-bring-back-ice-20120730-239z7.html

My brother lives in Valais. They are super Ultra Catholic - possibly due to having Calvinist Geneva slap bang on their doorstep.

When I go visit him I do enjoy watching the seminarians playing football while wearing cassocks. Hours of drunken fun has been had by Irish Atheists sipping cocktails by big brov's pool watching them dispute penalty calls on the grounds that the injured party had actually tripped over his frock and was not illegally tackled. The dispute can take all day if the Jesuits are involved.

robindch

Academic study on the continuity of anti-jewish persecution in the 600 years leading up to the 1930's:

http://qje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/07/26/qje.qjs019.full.pdf

(haven't read it yet, but it looks like an antidote to the usual "Hitler was an atheist/used evolution/whatever to legitimize his extermination of the jews")

Bloodwing

It's a long video but i can guarantee that within 5 minutes your head will be firmly planted on the desk. The only thing about this video that disproves evolution is that a man this stupid can exist. I don't know if i should be angry with this man or feel sorry for him.

robindch

Nurses stop for a tea-break -- a potentially fatal mistake in Pakistan during the "holy month" of a well-known "religion of peace".

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/In-Karachi,-11nurses-drink-tea-laced-with-poison-during-Ramadan-25430.html

AsiaNews wrote:

Karachi (AsiaNews) - At least 11 nurses, including three Christians, were poisoned at Civil Hospital Karachi for eating during Ramadan. During their afternoon break yesterday, the 11 nurses went to the hostel cafeteria for some tea and food. Rita, a Catholic nurse, collapsed first after drinking her tea. Now all the nurses are in the hospital's intensive care unit, some in very serious conditions.

In Pakistan, eating in public during the Muslim month of fasting is illegal. For Muslims, fasting is compulsory. However, hospital workers and travellers are exempt.

Civil Hospital Karachi staff is made up mostly of Muslims who do not tolerate that their non-Muslim colleagues eat during Ramadan.

In the wake of the incident, hospital officials have opened an inquiry to find the culprits.

The Masihi Foundation, a Christian rights organisation, and Life for All have condemned the incident, calling it a "vile act" against religious freedom and tolerance.

Political and religious leaders have also slammed the action. For Sindh Saleem Khokahr, a member of the Provincial Assembly and president of the All Pakistan Minorities Alliance, "poisoning someone for eating in Ramadan is a barbaric act and must be condemned. There are many Muslims who do not fast during Ramadan. These nurses were poisoned for eating in their cafeteria, not in public."

"This act reveals that our society lacks tolerance," said Fr Nasir William, a priest in Karachi diocese. It is scandalous that "nurses who save the lives of the people are fighting for their own lives due to some ignorant person."

For the clergyman, the authorities should launch an investigation for attempted murder.

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

Nurses stop for a tea-break -- a potentially fatal mistake in Pakistan during the "holy month" of a well-known "religion of peace".

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/In-Karachi,-11nurses-drink-tea-laced-with-poison-during-Ramadan-25430.html

:eek:

I despair sometimes. I really do.

I am also glad that when my Muslim friends used to pop in to to visit me at work for a quick coffee during Ramadam all we had to fear was that their mother's would find out (we are talking about people in their 20s/30s who were married with kids ) and be very very cross indeed. It never occurred to us that anyone might try and kill us.

Mind - I did make the coffee myself as they were busy diving behind filing cabinets whenever the front door opened. Oh - how we laughed.....

robindch

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I am also glad that when my Muslim friends used to pop in to to visit me at work for a quick coffee during Ramadam [...]

A friend of mine who works in academia was equally facepalmed by some islamic guys in her department -- they were all surreptitious beer drinkers, but only on their own (they were even concerned about being spotted drinking beer by other beer drinkers), but even that limited beer-drinking stopped when some new islamic guy showed up who was, unfortunately, well in with the beards up in the mosque; ultimately, though, turned out that the new guy drank beer too, on his own like everybody else, but even when they found this out, the others were still too scared to go for their own occasional, solitary beers.

//...parallels with "freedom of choice" and burkas seem germane at this point...//

Penn

I remember seeing on one of those Police Camera Action shows before where a joyrider managed to outrun the policeman and got away.

Policeman said that he'd been fasting because of Ramadan and normally would probably have been able to outrun and catch the criminal, but just didn't have the energy.

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

A friend of mine who works in academia was equally facepalmed by some islamic guys in her department -- they were all surreptitious beer drinkers, but only on their own (they were even concerned about being spotted drinking beer by other beer drinkers), but even that limited beer-drinking stopped when some new islamic guy showed up who was, unfortunately, well in with the beards up in the mosque; ultimately, though, turned out that the new guy drank beer too, on his own like everybody else, but even when they found this out, the others were still too scared to go for their own occasional, solitary beers.

//...parallels with "freedom of choice" and burkas seem germane at this point...//

Friend of mine was made a bacon sammich by the current Sultan of Kuwait .

Back then he was only the crown prince and mate went to the same Ivy League college as his daughter. Gang of them were using the family flat in NY to have a party but during the night, unknown to the unconscious party goers, the prince turned up unexpectedly.

Mate was woken up in the wee hours by the distinct aroma of a packet of Denny's smoked rashers grilling and simultaneously thought 'Feck - bacon in a Muslim flat, there's gonna be war/ hmmmmmm....droool....rashers......!'

Eventually the latter thought won out and she tip toed to the kitchen to find the crown prince, in his boxer shorts, making himself a lovely BLT with Irish rashers - a thing she hadn't tasted for months.

She looked at him. He looked at her. He put the two halves of the sandwich on two different plates. Handed one plate to her. Put his finger to his lips and said 'shhhhh!' then trotted off happily with the other half of the sandwich.

Not just Catholics are á la carte about their religion

b318isp

Neilos wrote: »

It's a long video but i can guarantee that within 5 minutes your head will be firmly planted on the desk. The only thing about this video that disproves evolution is that a man this stupid can exist. I don't know if i should be angry with this man or feel sorry for him.

I lasted 9 minutes. At least he is funny (as in humourous).

robindch

Police threaten a man in Lincolnshire with arrest if he distresses religious feeling by hanging a page in his window. Police deny making the threat, then make it.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/06/religious-threats-to-free-speech-in-britain-and-poland

NSS wrote:

A man in Boston, Lincolnshire has been warned by the police that if he puts up a small poster in his window that says "religions are fairy stories for adults" he could face arrest.

John Richards was told by officers that the poster could breach the Public Order Act by "distressing" passers by. But Mr Richards is defiant and says her will put up the poster anyway, as not to do so implies a threat to free speech.

He told The Boston Standard: "The police said I could be arrested if somebody complained and said they were insulted, but the sign was up two years ago and nobody responded or smashed the window. I am an atheist and I feel people are being misled by religion. I wanted to show people that if they thought they were alone there was at least one other person who thought that. I accept that the police emphasised the words could lead to an arrest but the implication is a threat to free speech which surely should be fought."

The Public Order Act dictates that it is an offence to display any sign which is threatening, abusive or insulting, and could cause distress. The NSS is currently campaigning to have the "insulting" element of this law removed.

After the story appeared and the NSS took it up, the Lincolnshire Police issued a statement saying that there was no such threat to Mr Richards. But it did admit that if a complaint was received, an officer would attend and try to persuade Mr Richards to take the poster down. If he refused – which he said he would –he would be arrested.

Terry Sanderson, president of the National Secular Society, said: "The police response more or less confirms what Mr Richards is saying – if he insists on exercising free speech in the face of objections from someone who claims to be insulted or offended then he will be arrested and possibly charged.

"This is another example of the incoherence of Section 5 of the Public Order Act and a strong argument for it to be radically changed to remove this threat to free expression."

Meanwhile, in Poland a popular singer known as Doda has lost an appeal over "offending the religious feelings" of two complainants, who objected to her saying in an interview that the Bible "was written by someone who was hammered on wine and who'd been smoking herbs." She has been ordered to pay a 5000 zloty fine (1170 euro), in keeping with the original verdict.

Dorota Rabczewska (Doda's real name) had been brought to court after complaints were filed by Ryszard Nowak, chairman of the privately run Nationwide Defence Committee Against Sects, and Stanislaw Kogut, a senator for the conservative Law and Justice party.

In her original defence, the singer had claimed that she had not intended to offend anyone, and that the cited herbs "were certainly therapeutic ones" and the alcohol in question "sacramental wine."

Rabczewska has not been given leave to appeal to Poland's Supreme Court, but her lawyer is considering an extraordinary appeal toPoland's Ombudsman on Civil Rights. An appeal to European Court of Human Rights could also be pursued.

Ryszard Nowak has been involved in several high profile cases of this kind, including one against Miss Rabczewska's former boyfriend, Adam Darski, frontman of death metal band Behemoth.

Darski, known to his fans as Nergal, was taken to court for tearing up a copy of the Bible during a 2007 concert. The long-running case was ultimately dropped.

At present, the Democratic Left Alliance party is working on a draft bill that will cut the maximum penalty for insulting religious feelings from two years imprisonment to six months.

Otacon

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0802/breaking32.html

A popular Somali comedian and playwright who mocked Islamist militants for brainwashing children and killing civilians has been shot dead.

The 43-year-old TV and radio comedian Abdi Jeylani Malaq, was killed today by two young men near his Mogadishu home.

Abdi Muridi Dhere, a colleague, said Malaq’s death is heartbreaking. He said the killing has sent Mogadishu back to the “dark days.”

It's amazing how I can feel sad, angry but not one bit shocked, all at the same time.

robindch

Surprise, surprise -- US Republicans back Chicken-Fil-A's anti-gay-marriage campaign.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19087889

Meanwhile:

BBC wrote:

[...] gay marriage supporters have called for what they are dubbing "Kiss Mor Chiks" on Friday, in which they hope same-sex couples will go to Chick-fil-A shops around the country and kiss each other in public.