The Hazards of Belief

Bannasidhe

swampgas wrote: »

As long as we had the right assurances that it didn't happen, why we wouldn't even have to check the plane. In fact, it would be rude to do so!

Oh we could never to rude to Americay. Perish the thought.

FouxDaFaFa

I had heard rumblings about this story and assumed this guy was a nutjob who wanted to see an end to religion. Turns out he was from another Christian sect.

Miami, Okla., police arrested Gregory Weiler II, 23, Thursday in a motel room with 50 Molotov cocktails and a hand-drawn map of 48 Oklahoma churches he intended to firebomb, according to police and a criminal affidavit filed in Ottawa County District Court.
Weiler’s family did not know what brought him to the small city in northeast Oklahoma. Prior to his arrest, family members said he had become involved with an extremist Christian church.

ShooterSF

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I had heard rumblings about this story and assumed this guy was a nutjob who wanted to see an end to religion. Turns out he was from another Christian sect.

How did he think he'd get to number 48 without the authorities you know figuring out his targets? Maybe the spare two molotovs were to be used on the dunkin donuts to lure the cops into protecting the wrong establishments.

FouxDaFaFa

I think he's extremely ill (I believe he's bipolar) and possibly didn't think it through very well. Thankfully.

Delirium

Fury as woman outlines abortion at Mass

A priest has sparked controversy after he arranged for a woman to give a graphic account of her abortion at a children’s Mass and outline how she believed her special needs child was a punishment from God.

The speech was made in front of up to 100 children at the Church of Our Lady Conceived Without Sin in Mitchelstown, Co Cork. It coincided with the issuing of a pastoral letter by the Catholic Bishops of Ireland on abortion.

Parish priest Fr Michael Fitzgerald did not seek permission from the apostolic administrator of the diocese, Archbishop Dermot Clifford, to allow the woman to take to the pulpit.

Last night, the archbishop said he was "unhappy this speech took place". He contacted Fr Fitzgerald about the guest speaker this week after he received complaints from parishioners who were disgusted the speech was made in front of children and that a special needs child was described as "punishment from God".

Obliq

Wow "The woman, who lives in the Cork area, was a representative of the Rachel’s Vineyard organisation. Set up in the US by the pro-life Priests for Life organisation, Rachel’s Vineyard provides counselling and retreats to women who have had abortions. An Irish representative for the group said it "too believed the comments were misinterpreted"."
Wonder if all other pro-life organisations are going to have a go at speaking to the masses? Hope this shoots them in the foot before it becomes the new thing.

Galvasean

Seriously, how many more nails before this damnable coffin will shut for good?

Hotblack Desiato

and outline how she believed her special needs child was a punishment from God.

That's disgusting.

pauldla

Fatwa issued against gunmen who shot girl (14)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1013/1224325224726.html

Islamic clerics in Pakistan have issued a fatwa against the Taliban gunmen who attempted to kill a 14-year-old girl known for campaigning for the right of young females to an education.

pauldla

pauldla wrote: »

Fatwa issued against gunmen who shot girl (14)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1013/1224325224726.html

After they get Salman I assume.

pauldla

Deleted User wrote: »

After they get Salman I assume.

Yeah. Given that a fatwa is nothing more than a judgement or ruling, this could mean nothing more than saying "Bad Taliban! Bad! Now don't do it again!", but at least it's a token. One must take comfort where one can...

Delirium

Tajik women face divorce epidemic

Tajikistan is among the few Muslim nations where men can divorce their wives by repeating the word "taloq" - divorce - three times. They can do it face to face, over the phone, or simply by sending an SMS text.

Even though the State Religious Affairs Committee outlawed the practice last year, it is still commonplace.

In Gulhumor's village in the southern Tajik region of Khatlon, many women share similar problems.

Zaynab, 23, was married for just over a month before her husband, also a migrant worker in Russia, divorced her.

FouxDaFaFa

Yousafzai has "very limited chance of life left", said the source, declining to be identified because he is not authorised to speak to the media.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/10/201210146102206474.html

recedite

Very sad news. Even if she survives, she will probably be brain damaged.

joseph brand

recedite wrote: »

Very sad news. Even if she survives, she will probably be brain damaged.

She's being flown to the UK today in a specially adapted plane with medical personnel.


Flat Earth Society.

The Earth didn't look very flat when Fearless Felix left his capsule on his 24 mile sky dive yesterday.

pauldla

The Flat Earth Socitey. I once read they they described themselves as a global organization...

shizz

joseph brand wrote: »

recedite wrote: »

Very sad news. Even if she survives, she will probably be brain damaged.

She's being flown to the UK today in a specially adapted plane with medical personnel.


Flat Earth Society.

The Earth didn't look very flat when Fearless Felix left his capsule on his 24 mile sky dive yesterday.

Well the cameras were wide angle lenses so the curvature was exagerated. :-P

Galvasean

koth wrote: »

Tajik women face divorce epidemic

"Tajikistan is among the few Muslim nations where men can divorce their wives by repeating the word "taloq" - divorce - three times."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o

Aenaes

Galvasean wrote: »

"Tajikistan is among the few Muslim nations where men can divorce their wives by repeating the word "taloq" - divorce - three times."

I was thinking more along the lines of Beetlejuice. Maybe he could be the lawyer.

Bannasidhe

koth wrote: »

Tajik women face divorce epidemic

All one had to do in Gaelic Ireland was say 'I Dismiss You' (as Gaelige obviously) - men didn't need a reason as such but the Brehon Laws allowed women 11 'justifications' that pretty much covered every eventuality including inability to sexually satisfy.

Obliq

Bannasidhe wrote: »

All one had to do in Gaelic Ireland was say 'I Dismiss You' (as Gaelige obviously) - men didn't need a reason as such but the Brehon Laws allowed women 11 'justifications' that pretty much covered every eventuality including inability to sexually satisfy.

Hmmm (sighs to self at length of paperwork even in uncontested divorce), pity it's not so simple now

Bannasidhe

Obliq wrote: »

Hmmm (sighs to self at length of paperwork even in uncontested divorce), pity it's not so simple now

And he had to return the dowry regardless of who divorced who .

pauldla

Girl gets 60 lashes for speaking to men

The 15-year-old was caught standing alongside men by the Islamists of Ansar Dine who now run Timbuktu.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1015/breaking56.html?via=mr

Just too fupped up for words...15 years old....ffs.

robindch

Ultraconservative Russian orthodox believers look like they may threaten to use the country's upcoming blasphemy law to outlaw Apple's logo. Some of them have already replaced it with a cross:

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2012/10/russia-orthodox-protest-apple-logo-as-duma-considers-blasphemy-ban.html

Christianity Today wrote:

Conservative Christians in Russia have started using crosses to replace Apple's iconic "bitten apple" logo, a move that could cause problems for Apple product sales as the mostly Orthodox nation's parliament weighs a blasphemy ban.

The original report from Interfax news agency states that several groups of Orthodox activists, including priests, replaced the logo for religious reasons, calling it "anti-Christian and insulting their belief."

"According to them, bitten apple - the symbol is described in the Bible, original sin, it is anti-Christian, while the cross symbolizes the victory of Christianity over the death of the Savior, the redemption of their original sin of Adam and Eve," Interfax reports.

This case arises at an important moment for religious freedom in Russia, as the Russian parliament prepares to weigh a law protecting religious expression. If approved, the ban on insults to religion potentially could allow Orthodox Christians to charge Apple with anti-Christian blasphemy.

http://wwrn.org/articles/38290/

Genghiz Cohen

But doesn't the Bible say fruit, not apple?

robindch

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

But doesn't the Bible say fruit, not apple?

Fruit? Ye gods, leave the gheys out of this!

Galvasean

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

But doesn't the Bible say fruit, not apple?

The Bible says lots of stuff that Christians choose to ignore.

Genghiz Cohen

Galvasean wrote: »

The Bible says lots of stuff that Christians choose to ignore.

Like the bit about being a good person?

Dades

Or most of the book their sequel was written after.

ShooterSF

Ah but the OT was only for a specific few years unlike the NT which covers from the death of Jesus to the end of life on this planet, the apocalypse, a few years later. Oh wait.

Banbh

I was educated by hand - the hand of Brother Kelly - and he said that when God wrote (or inspired to be written) the New Testament, he rescinded his earlier work, the Old Testament.
He didn't say it was a mistake or that there were errors in it but the Holy Church Fathers had a look at it and took out the bits that God probably didn't really want us to take seriously - such as eating rashers etc.
One kid in the class asked if God had made a mistake with the OT and was beaten up for his pains. No one questioned the truth of the Bible after that.

pauldla

^^^

That kid learned the mystery of faith pretty fcukin' sharpish, I reckon.

Sarky

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/10/taliban-demands-unbiased-coverage-its-attempted-murder-14-year-old-girl/58017/#

What is this I don't even

robindch

Did this one pass by in August?

A Republican candidate in Arkansas supports the death penalty for "rebellious children":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-death-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html

Charlie ****a wrote:

The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21.

This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children. They must follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children. I cannot think of one instance in the Scripture where parents had their child put to death. Why is this so? Other than the love Christ has for us, there is no greater love then [sic] that of a parent for their child. The last people who would want to see a child put to death would be the parents of the child. Even so, the Scrpture [sic] provides a safe guard to protect children from parents who would wrongly exercise the death penalty against them. Parents are required to bring their children to the gate of the city. The gate of the city was the place where the elders of the city met and made judicial pronouncements. In other words, the parents were required to take their children to a court of law and lay out their case before the proper judicial authority, and let the judicial authority determine if the child should be put to death. I know of many cases of rebellious children, however, I cannot think of one case where I believe that a parent had given up on their child to the point that they would have taken their child to a court of law and asked the court to rule that the child be put to death. Even though this procedure would rarely be used, if it were the law of land, it would give parents authority. Children would know that their parents had authority and it would be a tremendous incentive for children to give proper respect to their parents.

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

Did this one pass by in August?

A Republican candidate in Arkansas supports the death penalty for "rebellious children":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-death-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html

Sweetest F**K :eek:.

Dades

robindch wrote: »

Did this one pass by in August?

Twas posted somewhere here alright - too hungry to find it though.

ShooterSF

Also as it's apparently not mentioned in that article, as I pointed out the first time it snuck by, the guy is "pro-life"!

Obliq

Dades wrote: »

Twas posted somewhere here alright - too hungry to find it though.

Yeah, I posted it, but twas in between a bunch of other big, mad, hazardous stuff caused by belief in some almighty being #2575

Links234

It says "oppressed women are easily overlooked"

Links234

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/03/the-reality-of-anti-blasphemy-laws.html

joseph brand

robindch

Randomly generate your own maths papers!

http://thatsmathematics.com/mathgen/

But don't do this:

http://thatsmathematics.com/blog/archives/102

Hotblack Desiato

They're clearly a joke if they think Word is an appropriate formate for anything, but especially mathematics papers :rolleyes:

pauldla

You do the crime, you do the time, eh?

Pussy Riot pair sent to 'slave labour' prison camps

TWO PUSSY Riot members jailed for singing a protest song against Russian leader Vladimir Putin in a cathedral have been sent to prison camps infamous for their tough regime.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1023/1224325577449.html

Obliq

pauldla wrote: »

You do the crime, you do the time, eh?

Pussy Riot pair sent to 'slave labour' prison camps


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1023/1224325577449.html

F********k.....looks like they'll learn not to do that again. Hope they survive it - they're very brave women.

robindch

A suicidal doomsday cult from Brazil is saved from themselves in the nick of time. The comments of Officer Meneses, halfway down in bold, are elegantly understated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216743/Shots-fired-police-swoop-10-minutes-100-followers-Brazilian-doomsday-cult-commit-mass-suicide-world-ended.html

Daily Mail wrote:

Police swooped on a Brazilian doomsday cult just 10 minutes before more than 100 followers were about to commit mass suicide by drinking poisoned soup

Elite troops burst into a building where self-proclaimed prophet Luis Pereira dos Santos had barricaded himself in after predicting the world would end at 8pm yesterday. There was believed to be an exchange of gunfire between the group and police who used gas bombs and pepper spray during the assault. No casualties have been reported.

Santos, known to his flock as Daddy Luis, claims an angel visited four years ago telling him at 4pm local time (8pm BST) Santos was arrested as officers took away a tub containing a sweet paste made from Caju fruit which they suspected contained a toxic product. The night before 19 children were rescued from the building on the outskirts of Teresina, the capital of the country's northeastern state of Piaui.

Police forced their way in after receiving 'credible' information of a suicide pact. The stand-off began at 3pm local time - an hour before the predicted apocalypse - when 60 military and police officers surrounded the house. One of the followers, Maria Silva, 57, came out to tell the crowd that 'Jesus Christ is in the body of the prophet' and that no-one would be allowed in or out the residence.

Desperate relatives of those inside tried to invade the building to take their loved ones out. Maria Madalena, 39, told Brazil's Cidade Verde website: 'We want to get my mother out while there is still time. This man has messed up her head, it's like she's been brainwashed.' Authorities kept a close watch on the children placed in care homes over fears they had been instructed to take their own lives at the same time.

During the operation, a 'significant quantity' of rat poison was found at the residence, a police spokesman said. After the raid, military police commander Alberto Meneses said: 'This was an unusual situation, because when religion is involved everything is possible and nothing is predictable.'

Santos, known to his flock as Daddy Luis, had claimed an angel visited four years ago telling him the exact time the world was going to end. Last month, the 43-year-old spiritual leader instructed his 113 followers to leave their jobs, give away all their possessions and take their children out of school, police confirmed. The group then holed up inside a ten-bedroom house, which they called The Ark. The end of the world was predicted on a public holiday in Brazil, the feast day of the country's patron saint Our Lady of Aparecida, as well as national Children's Day. Although the group didn't put up any resistance, one of the cult members, Maria Francisca Alves, 38, whose 12-year-old daughter was taken away by police, protested the action.

Asked why she had taken her daughter out of school, she said: 'We're preparing for the end of the world, so what's the point of studying? Learning the word of God is more important.' Children's judge Maria Luiza de Moura, who issued the protection order, said: 'We believe that a mass suicide or murder may happen using a soup ingested by cult members. 'The adults are free to act of their free and spontaneous will, but we have to make sure that nothing happens to the children.'

The police chief leading the investigation, Joatan Goncalves, said: 'Our worry is if there are offered a toxic product claiming to offer salvation on Friday.' In an interview with Brazil's Terra website, divorced father-of-five Santos, a former caretaker, said he didn't fear the police and denied that the group were planning to drink poison. He said: 'I preach the gospel and it says thou shalt no kill. We will be saved and raptured in another way.'

The former Catholic said most of his followers are former street beggars, prostitutes, drug dealers and criminals which God had told him to 'save'. He said: 'I received a message telling me to be a shepherd to lost sheep. I am Christ's advocate. From Friday night there will be only darkness, because the beast will come out of the abyss and the world will end. 'People call me crazy, even my wife abandoned me, but I am sure that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and the good people will be taken away.' After Santos was arrested, police occupied the building where the rest of the cult members remain.

The largest recorded cult suicide was in 1978 when People's Temple leader Jim Jones inspired 918 of his followers to kill themselves in Guyana by drinking cyanide. From 1994 to 1997, members of the Order of the Solar Temple sect began a series of mass suicides, which lead to around 74 deaths. In 1997, 39 followers of the Heaven's Gate cult died in a mass suicide in Rancho Santa Fe, California, believing their souls would journey aboard a spaceship they believed to be following the Hale-Bopp comet.

FouxDaFaFa

I'd love to hear from the cult members now that the time has passed and the world didn't end. On the one hand, I feel sorry for them because there must be some element of shared psychosis or something but when they involve their children it changes things. If they were about to murder their children they should face legal consequences.

Also, "Daddy Luis"? Why must their names always be so creepy?

robindch

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Also, "Daddy Luis"? Why must their names always be so creepy?

Weird, the same thing occurred -- it seems to be an authority/respect thing, but with all kinds of ickky overtones.

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

Weird, the same thing occurred -- it seems to be an authority/respect thing, but with all kinds of ickky overtones.

Jones insisted on being called Father or Dad too.

Dades

I'm glad we don't have crazy cults in Ireland ran by people wanting to be called Father this, or Father that...