The Hazards of Belief

Banbh

http://theweek.com/article/index/221196/to-train-up-a-child-the-book-thats-leading-parents-to-kill
I see that other children have died as a result of parents using this man's methods. He's a 'pastor' by the way and the book has sold thousands of copies.

Brian Shanahan

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Yeah, what a tragedy for you.

Not the one child you murdered and the other one you didn't succeed in killing.

Banbh, I clicked through to the book ready to accept that maybe these parents had completely misinterpreted it or something but holy fcuk.
According to people who have read the whole thing, it advocates beating babies with a switch until they are "totally broken".

Frankly, in a moral world, the writer of that book would be done for genocide. Because that is no less than what they are advocating. Switching a nine-month old baby is nothing short of attempted murder.

Hotblack Desiato

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/new-book-by-fr-tony-flannery-not-available-in-veritas-bookshops-1.1525618

Speaking after the launch of his book last night Fr Flannery said all he knew of the matter is that he had been contacted by people who visited Veritas bookshops in Dublin and Cork. They were told Veritas “will not be stocking it” (the book) and that this was “ a senior management’ decision.”

Andrewf20

Came across this joke of an article. (6 reasons to not send your daughter to college).

http://www.fixthefamily.com/blog/6-reasons-to-not-send-your-daughter-to-college

In there it says...

"The Church teaches that husbands and wives are of equal dignity, but with different roles."

and then goes on to say....

"Christian marriage by definition does place her in a submissive role to her husband, but no one forces anyone to marry anyone."



Warning: Your eyeballs will grow hair with frustration after reading this. Although some of the comments deserve a place on the funny side of religon thread.

PopePalpatine

B-b-but the man loves the woman! That makes their inequality OK!

FouxDaFaFa

#3: She will not learn to be a wife or mother.

*eyetwitch*

Nodin

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

*eyetwitch*

*poke

*poke

wrote:

We are so fickle and forgetful. I thank God
that he is so patient with us. Mother Mary has shown us the power of
obedience and submission to authority as Fr. Paul Nicholson says.
http://youtu.be/FIkKTfToMJE
Do you remember when she did what St. Joseph
said, to flee to Egypt? Aren’t we all glad that she obeyed her
husband? Otherwise, if she would have asked to leave in the morning or
think it was a ridiculous idea, and strongly and loudly voiced a selfish
opinion, it would have been disastrous for all of us! There is so much
grace in obedience and then, understanding of the way God thinks instead of
man. She was an example of patience even under the most unjust punishment
of Our Lord. She was silent, forgiving, loving, and docile because she
knew the outcome. She gives us an example of how to carry ourselves, how to speak, how to dress as similar as we can to her.

http://www.fixthefamily.com/citabelles/missy-s-happy-notes-mary-my-mother-and-yours-in-heaven

Andrewf20

All this stuff reminds me of...

robindch

Not only are church candles hazardous, but, frankly, holy water is crap for you too:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/study-holy-water-harmful-health/story?id=20257722

ABC News wrote:

Despite its purported cleansing properties, holy water could actually be more harmful than healing, according to a new Austrian study on "holy" springs. Researchers at the Institute of Hygiene and Applied Immunology at the Medical University of Vienna tested water from 21 springs in Austria and 18 fonts in Vienna and found samples contained up to 62 million bacteria per milliliter of water, none of it safe to drink.

Tests indicated 86 percent of the holy water, commonly used in baptism ceremonies and to wet congregants' lips, was infected with common bacteria found in fecal matter such as E. coli, enterococci and Campylobacter, which can lead to diarrhea, cramping, abdominal pain, and fever. Nitrates, commonly found in fertilizer from farms, were also identified in the water. If ingested, water containing nitrates over the maximum contaminant level could cause serious illness, especially in infants younger than 6 months, which could lead to death if untreated, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

"We need to warn people against drinking from these sources," said Dr Alexander Kirschner, study researcher and microbiologist at the Medical University of Vienna. The study, published in the Journal of Water and Health, also found that all church and hospital chapel fonts contained bacteria -- the busier the church, the higher the bacterial count. "This may represent a problem that has hitherto been underestimated, especially in hospitals, since there a lot of people with weakened immune systems there," Kirschner said.

There have been advances made for the more hygienic use of holy water, including the invention of a holy water dispenser a few years ago by an Italian priest, while studies have also indicated that adding salt (at recommended levels of 20 percent) can help disinfect the water. But Kirschner cautions that salt is not a reliable way to prevent infection and instead recommends priests regularly change the holy water in churches and erect signs to inform congregants about the dangers as well as of the history of the holy springs.

Sulla Felix

I wonder if there's a doctrinal restriction on using other liquids? Holy hand sanitizer might be the next big thing.

recedite

Have you lot not heard of transubstantiation?
It may look and smell like a faecal coliform bacterium, but when its in the holy water it's actually the body of Christ.
Similarly, tests that seem to show the presence of carcinogenic particles in holy air are actually detecting the presence of the holy spirit in the ether.

robindch

Ultra-orthodox jews believe that sins can can be symbolically transferred to a chicken by swinging the clucking bird three times around your head. But what message is God sending when He causes most of the chickens to die of heatstroke before the ceremony?



http://www.nydailynews.com/birds-die-annual-ritual-slaughter-article-1.1454098

NY Daily News wrote:

Thousands of chickens — condemned to die in a Jewish redemption ritual — instead died in Wednesday's unseasonable heat, causing the annual rites to be put on ice in some Brooklyn neighborhoods, the Daily News has learned. The soon-to-be-slaughtered poultry perished at the hands of a higher power when the mercury hit the mid-90s — hours before they could be used in Kapparot, an Orthodox tradition wherein Jews symbolically transfer their sins to the bird before sacrificing it.

"We lost about 2,000 chickens because of the heat," said a man who works in Skwere Mosdos, a Borough Park shul. "It's a big loss," added the man who declined to give his name. Another person at the 45th St. establishment estimated the death toll at 800. The hot and muggy day caused a calamity for other Kapparot operations. "Due to weather condition, a lot of chickens died," according to an email sent by another yeshiva to its members. "Sorry 4 the inconvenient (sic)."

The yeshiva, Machzikai Hadas on 43rd St., charges $8.50 per chicken. It also posted a flyer advising the public about lack of poultry, but employees denied that anything was amiss. "No matter what faith you follow, we all believe in God," insisted employee Shia Porges, 31. "And that's why the chickens did not come to any harm because God takes care of everything in His own way."

A colleague, Chaim Singer,32, claimed that water and shade were provided for the ritual roosters, adding, "We make sure they're comfortable and well fed." Ultra-orthodox Jews use the chickens in a custom observed before Yom Kippur in which they're swung above the head three times in a symbolic transference of one's sins. They're then slaughtered and donated to the poor for a pre-fast meal.

Chickens are kept in stacked crates on the sidewalks throughout Hasidic neighborhoods, sometimes for hours or even days before the Day of Atonement, which begins Friday evening this year. Critics of the practice have long called it illegal animal cruelty that's not mandated in the Torah or Talmud. This week, they were crying foul even louder. "I am horrified, I am upset, but I am not surprised," said Rina Deych, 57, a member of the Alliance to End Chickens as Kaporos, which advocates the use of coins instead of chickens.

Karen Davis, president of their umbrella organization, United Poultry Concerns, said that over dozen birds are typically crammed together, often injured, weak and susceptible to harm in harsh weather conditions. In a small way, she said, succumbing to the heat was a blessing. "Their misery is so totally compounded that the best thing to happen to them under the circumstances is to die," said Davis. "They didn't have to suffer the further pain and indignity" of Kapparot.

Gordon

Although it's nice that they give chickens to the poor, in their minds, they're giving poor people chickens that contain their sins. That's a bit.. fowl..

Sarky

They're too chicken to man up and claim responsibility for their own sins. I've seen some crazy rituals in my time but this is a bit of ostrich of the imagination.

Seriously though, poor birds. Religion excuses all kinds of cruelty in its name.

PopePalpatine

Well, if they don't do this, who's to say they aren't playing chicken with their souls? :pac:

recedite

http://www.timesofisrael.com/california-halts-la-kapparot-on-yom-kippur-eve/

California regulators ordered two Orthodox Jewish groups in Los Angeles to stop performing the Yom Kippur ritual kapparot. The state’s Department of Food and Agriculture on Friday shut down kapparot at the Ohel Moshe synagogue and the Beit Aaron outreach organization. They were accused of operating unlicensed slaughterhouses...

That was in California. Can't see it being allowed in the EU either, for the same reasons. I think its time for the authorities in New York to cop-on.

Isn't Brooklyn also the place where the local Mayor was persuaded to let the Jewish community elders deal with a widespread child sexual abuse problem, instead of letting the Police handle it?

Sulla Felix

recedite wrote: »

http://www.timesofisrael.com/california-halts-la-kapparot-on-yom-kippur-eve/
That was in California. Can't see it being allowed in the EU either, for the same reasons. I think its time for the authorities in New York to cop-on.

Isn't Brooklyn also the place where the local Mayor was persuaded to let the Jewish community elders deal with a widespread child sexual abuse problem, instead of letting the Police handle it?

It's also the one that refuses to ban Metzitzah B'Peh otherwise known as "letting some old guy suck the freshly cut penis of a newborn".

kylith

Sulla Felix wrote: »

It's also the one that refuses to ban Metzitzah B'Peh otherwise known as "letting some old guy suck the freshly cut penis of a newborn".

Didn't at least three infants die of herpes contracted that way recently?

robindch

"Dutch school diaries with ‘Satanic’ peace logo destroyed after protest"

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/school-diaries-with-satanic-peace-logo-destroyed-after-protest-1.1530914

More here and here. The schools' webpage is here.

Irish Times wrote:

A group of secondary schools in the ultra-conservative Dutch Bible Belt has destroyed 3,000 back-to-school diaries specially printed for teenage pupils, because parents complained that the internationally recognised peace logo on the cover may have “Satanic” origins. The cover features six students wearing T-shirts, one with the circular logo designed in 1958 by artist Gerald Holtom for the philosopher Bertrand Russell and his Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament.

The Pieter Zandt Schools Organisation, which runs the orthodox Protestant secondary schools in the towns of Kampen, Staphorst and Urk, confirmed the diaries had been recalled and destroyed after complaints from parents about the symbol’s “occult links”. “The parents’ conviction that the symbol was unacceptable was so strong that I knew a rigorous approach was the only solution,” said the schools group chief executive, Johan van Puten, who added that the diaries would cost at least €15,000 to replace. Some parents even warned that the logo was “one of the signs of the anti-Christ”.

Mr Van Puten said that having listened to the parents, he had “googled” the logo and found it was indeed similar to the “Nero Cross”, named after the Roman emperor who is reputed to have had the Apostle Peter crucified, head downwards – hence the design. Mystical powers had also been attributed to the symbol by the 19th-century American writer and Freemason Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, reprinted in 2002.

Having found that the Nero Cross had apparently been associated since Roman times with the “persecution, torture and killing of Christians”, and more recently with occultism, Mr Van Puten said he had concluded that there might be a basis to the complaints. Although he realised that “wasting paper is a poor example to our pupils, and for that reason it hurts me”, destroying the diaries was “the lesser of two evils”, he wrote in a letter circulated to parents. The diary cover, said Mr Van Puten, has been designed by some of the schools’ students – and he was confident the logo had been used innocently, in line with its peaceful meaning.

Sarky

And I used to think the Dutch were such a level-headed bunch

Bannasidhe

Sarky wrote: »

And I used to think the Dutch were such a level-headed bunch

Only where it is possible for calming herbs to be inhaled.

It was the Dutch who created a massive economic bubble based on tulips after all.

Obliq

Sarky wrote: »

They're too chicken to man up and claim responsibility for their own sins. I've seen some crazy rituals in my time but this is a bit of ostrich of the imagination.

Seriously though, poor birds. Religion excuses all kinds of cruelty in its name.

Not defending the practice (although I'm wondering if it could be a profitable way of getting shot of the numerous cockerels my hens produce every year.....if I stood over the sinners shouting "kill him quickly, you weren't that bad!" like.. ) but unless you're vegetarian or a meat eater who knows exactly how your free range chicken lived and died, I cry foul on this particular cruelty being exclusive to religion. Have you ever SEEN how your roast chicken dinner was raised? Ew, folks. Just nasty, and apparently ok with us all.

robindch

Here ya go, folks. Only catholics can hear the "voice of conscience", unlike your regular atheist who's self-righteousness, conformist and intellectual lazy.

Time for a baby sandwich, I suppose.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/letters/only-a-catholic-can-have-a-conscience-243468.html

Some Canadian Guy wrote:

Regarding Pope Francis’ comments on atheists and heaven, (Irish Examiner, Sept 12), let me say that celibacy has a spiritual dimension that transcends discipline.

In an article published by L’Osservatore Romano, Stefan Heid, professor of liturgy and hagiography at the Pontifical Institute of Christian Archeology, said “according to the judgement of the early Church, ecclesiastical celibacy has dogmatic relevance...When Jesus spoke of the eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven [for example], it was understood as perfect continence for all of the disciples, regardless of whether or not the Apostles were married.”

Pope Francis also said that God would forgive atheists, as long as they “live according to their consciences.” What the pontiff fails to say is that all people have a duty to achieve an informed conscience, but this can only be through Catholic teaching. This is important, because the conscience can, in some, be degraded at its core to a mechanism of excuses for one’s conduct.

The atheist incrementally constructs a wall of resistance to belief in God. This neglect of one’s being dulls one to the voice of truth and makes one incapable of hearing the voice of conscience. Convictions, then, might seem rational, but are only the product of self-righteousness, conformism, and intellectual laziness.

Paul Kokoski, Ontario, Canada

Obliq

robindch wrote: »

Here ya go, folks. Only catholics can hear the "voice of conscience", unlike your regular atheist who's self-righteousness, conformist and intellectual lazy.

Time for a baby sandwich, I suppose.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/letters/only-a-catholic-can-have-a-conscience-243468.html

He seems to have difficulties with the notion of conscience then? My 1923 Webster's dictionary (to hand because it has great archaic words for scrabble and beautiful drawings) defines conscience as "a faculty, power or principle conceived to decide as to the moral quality of one's own thoughts or acts, enjoining what is good."
Isn't that the same thing as a mechanism of excuses (reasons) for one's conduct?

Obliq

Obliq wrote: »

He seems to have difficulties with the notion of conscience then? My 1923 Webster's dictionary (to hand because it has great archaic words for scrabble and beautiful drawings) defines conscience as "a faculty, power or principle conceived to decide as to the moral quality of one's own thoughts or acts, enjoining what is good."
Isn't that the same thing as a mechanism of excuses (reasons) for one's conduct?

DAMN this netbook. Sorry all - can't delete the triple post from here, grrr. Bad android, BAD.

Edit: Found option hiding in corner. Good android.

recedite

Just googling that "eunoch" thing. The guy seems to be saying that celibacy is a superior, or more divine, state of existence. Hence clerical celibacy.
But the actual verse goes;

bible wrote:

They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?
He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery,
The disciples said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry."
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."

To me that means;
1. Divorce is OK in certain circumstances.
2. If you can't be satisfied with just one partner, its better to remain celibate (or castrate yourself).

Its amazing how they came up with all the stuff over the years about priestly celibacy and never allowing divorce, from such an unremarkable bit of text.

Obliq

recedite wrote: »

Just googling that "eunoch" thing. The guy seems to be saying that celibacy is a superior, or more divine, state of existence. Hence clerical celibacy.
But the actual verse goes;

(Quote of text....)

To me that means;
1. Divorce is OK in certain circumstances.
2. If you can't be satisfied with just one partner, its better to remain celibate (or castrate yourself).

Its amazing how they came up with all the stuff over the years about priestly celibacy and never allowing divorce, from such an unremarkable bit of text.

And that's the letter to the Examiner, right there

Nodin

An uplifting tale of rural India.....

A young couple who were planning to marry were brutally murdered in the Indian state of Haryana on Wednesday. Police are treating the case as an "honour crime". The BBC's Zubair Ahmed visited the village in Rohtak district where the incident took place.

There were about two dozen grim-faced people - all men - waiting at the
village cremation ground for the body of a young woman who was beaten to death allegedly by the same waiting crowd.

First, Nidhi was beaten to death and then Dharmender was dismembered alive.

A man who identified himself as Nidhi's uncle looked dazed, or even
bewildered.

When I asked him to explain why two young people were so brutally murdered, his eyes quickly filled with anger and his reply met with approving nods: "What was done to them was the right thing to do. We had to set an example."

An example for other young men and women to not fall in love.

"Our culture is not like you have in the city. Here our women live behind
curtains," said a young man in the crowd.

"The village doesn't approve of love affairs here. They were from the same
caste, lived in the same lane in the same village," said another.

The man and the woman belonged to the same Jat community and shared the same gotra - the sub-caste - which made them brother and sister, he explained politely.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-24170866

joseph brand

recedite wrote: »

Just googling that "eunoch" thing. The guy seems to be saying that celibacy is a superior, or more divine, state of existence. Hence clerical celibacy.
But the actual verse goes;
To me that means;
1. Divorce is OK in certain circumstances.
2. If you can't be satisfied with just one partner, its better to remain celibate (or castrate yourself).

Its amazing how they came up with all the stuff over the years about priestly celibacy and never allowing divorce, from such an unremarkable bit of text.

I thought the reason for the whole celibacy was that the church didn't have to provide for the priest's family upon his death. Like everything else:

PopePalpatine

Does the unwelcome appearance of a copy of "Nearly Dead!" "Alive!" in my house count as a hazard of belief? I had a glance at it out of curiosity, and it just depresses me that there are such miserable, hateful bastards out there.

kylith

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Does the unwelcome appearance of a copy of "Nearly Dead!" "Alive!" in my house count as a hazard of belief? I had a glance at it out of curiosity, and it just depresses me that there are such miserable, hateful bastards out there.

I used some pages from it as part of a repair to a wall in my house and I insisted on writing "I do not agree with the views of this paper" on it so that should any future archaeologists or historians find it they'll know that the views espoused in it are not necessarily those of the general populace.

robindch

As I think Beruthiel said last year, I stopped getting it when it went single-ply.

Hotblack Desiato

One of our staunch defenders of traditional Irishcatholic 'values' had an alarmed-sounding letter in the Irish Times yesterday :

Sir, – There are two referendums being put to the people on October 4th. People know a little about one but nothing about the other. The first, we are told by our political masters, is about the abolition of the Seanad, and the second is about the setting up of a new court.

But that is only a fraction of the story, and I guarantee you that if we don’t get a majority No vote to both of these referendums, we, the people, will have betrayed our children and future generations in the most unbelievable way. We will have handed them over, lock, stock and barrel to the EU justice system, and Big Brother will then be free – finally – to impose its brand of law on us and on our children.

Already the plans are well advanced, both here and in Europe to bring in an “effective mechanism to enforce respect for EU law” on our people. EU Justice Commissioner, Viviane Reding, has described this mechanism. And the Commission will not be afraid, we are told, to use the “big stick” it is carrying, to enforce its brand of justice on our people.

Our politicians are a thundering disgrace. I will be voting No in both referendums. – Yours, etc,

NORA BENNIS,

North Circular Road,

Limerick.

Oh no! Unspecified doom is nigh for reasons unstated!!!

Thought she'd want to get rid of the Seanad, it helped introduce gayness into the country and is full of protestants...:rolleyes:

Banbh

The Yes campaign should circulate this letter.

Brian Shanahan

ninja900 wrote: »

One of our staunch defenders of traditional Irishcatholic 'values' had an alarmed-sounding letter in the Irish Times yesterday :

Oh no! Unspecified doom is nigh for reasons unstated!!!

Thought she'd want to get rid of the Seanad, it helped introduce gayness into the country and is full of protestants...:rolleyes:

Ah, good old Nora Bennis, good to see that she is still fulfilling her job as town dunce.

PopePalpatine

She doesn't mind "Big Brother" when it's God and the Church.

robindch

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Ah, good old Nora Bennis, good to see that she is still fulfilling her job as town dunce.

Nora Bennis? Never heard of her, but google has. Think of her as older version of Dana without the former singing talent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Bennis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party_(Ireland,_1995)
http://electionsireland.org/4190
http://www.broadsheet.ie/tag/nora-bennis/
http://www.oneworldchronicle.com/?p=16158
http://books.google.ie/books?id=qZ6W1LiIyYYC&pg=PA277&lpg=PA277&dq=Nora+Bennis&source=bl&ots=Fy2ilNFrYx&sig=S7kvK6erQlCk7nkJH9uq-_9CPAQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gy1EUpKUC8jH7AbfyYCoCw&ved=0CGcQ6AEwDQ

Ye gods.

Hoagy

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Ah, good old Nora Bennis, good to see that she is still fulfilling her job as town dunce.

That name has always sounded to me like an anagram, so I tried it online and got

'BORN INSANE'

TwoShedsJackson

robindch wrote: »

Nora Bennis? Never heard of her, but google has. Think of her as older version of Dana without the former singing talent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Bennis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party_(Ireland,_1995)
http://electionsireland.org/4190
http://www.broadsheet.ie/tag/nora-bennis/
http://www.oneworldchronicle.com/?p=16158
http://books.google.ie/books?id=qZ6W1LiIyYYC&pg=PA277&lpg=PA277&dq=Nora+Bennis&source=bl&ots=Fy2ilNFrYx&sig=S7kvK6erQlCk7nkJH9uq-_9CPAQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gy1EUpKUC8jH7AbfyYCoCw&ved=0CGcQ6AEwDQ

Ye gods.

I remember her from back in the day - she was very active in the 90s on all the usual topics - divorce, abortion etc. etc. Don't seem to ever remember hearing anything from her on Church sexual abuse etc. Shocking.

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/tag/nora-bennis/

Also involved in setting up The National Party in 1994, a home for Catholic right-wingers.

Colonialboy

interesting 270 pages and counting of people talking about something they dont believe in

Bannasidhe

Colonialboy wrote: »

interesting 270 pages and counting of people talking about something they dont believe in

Interesting enough that you believed you should comment.

PopePalpatine

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

I remember her from back in the day - she was very active in the 90s on all the usual topics - divorce, abortion etc. etc. Don't seem to ever remember hearing anything from her on Church sexual abuse etc. Shocking.

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/tag/nora-bennis/

Also involved in setting up The National Party in 1994, a home for Catholic right-wingers.

That reminds me, I just discovered an abortive attempt by David Quinn at setting up a far-right party called the "National Alliance". :rolleyes:

robindch

Colonialboy wrote: »

interesting 270 pages and counting of people talking about something they dont believe in

Have a look at the thread title, then read a few pages and see if you can find the hidden connection.

Do let us know if you've any trouble figuring it out.

TwoShedsJackson

Colonialboy wrote: »

interesting 270 pages and counting of people talking about something they dont believe in

I have 102 pages here. Maybe it's my lack of faith in the extra pages..

Pherekydes

Colonialboy wrote: »

interesting 270 pages and counting of people talking about something they dont believe in

This thread is about the hazards of belief, not about belief itself, so we've no problem discussing it.

P.S. 102 pages here, too.

Sarky

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

I have 102 pages here. Maybe it's my lack of faith in the extra pages..

Nothing so magical, Colonialboy probably just has his viewing options still set at 'noob'.

Bannasidhe

Sarky wrote: »

Nothing so magical, Colonialboy probably just has his viewing options still set at 'noob'.

My viewing options are set at noob

Sarky

lol noob

Bannasidhe

Sarky wrote: »

lol noob

Changing viewing option...

recedite

Hoagy wrote: »

'BORN INSANE'

and from a long line of Shinners....

wiki wrote:

Bennis was born Nora Shinners, the daughter of Paul Shinners, a veteran of the Easter Rising and Fianna Fáil supporter

But seriously, look at that rate of decline in her support;
http://electionsireland.org/4190
Quite satisfying really.