The Hazards of Belief

Turtwig

That's pretty anal of her. :mad:

Brian Shanahan

robindch wrote: »

This woman believes she's cured 38 kids of autism by giving them bleach enemas. Yes, bleach enemas. Seems to have given some kids bleach baths too.

http://www.autismone.org/content/38-children-recovered-20-months-mms

More on her here:

http://io9.com/5916354/the-awful-inhumanity-of-using-bleach-enemas-to-treat-autistic-children

Haven't had the stomach to read it through to be honest.

I think the worst is that that Autism One crowd are supposed to be a support group for families with members suffering from autism. I honestly think there is no punishment too cruel to be refused for these people.

Brian Shanahan

Just a follow up on this, the ****es behind the "bleach the autism out cure", the Genesis II church (a non-religious religion!) are coming to Wicklow this weekend.

If anyone is free I would urge them to picket these retards.

Hotblack Desiato

FFS. These people need to be locked up.

Sulla Felix

When Sodium Chlorite is Activated you can remove Dis-eases as wide ranging as; Cancers, Heart disease, Diabetes Malaria and Autoimmune Dysfunctions and many others.

No doubt big pharma are suppressing these amazing cures.

kylith

You can always spot nutters by their use of the term dis-ease instead of disease. A sure sign that they're likely to tell you that your diabetes can be cured by cider vinegar, or some similar nonsense.

Nodin

robindch wrote: »

This woman believes she's cured 38 kids of autism by giving them bleach enemas. Yes, bleach enemas. Seems to have given some kids bleach baths too.

http://www.autismone.org/content/38-children-recovered-20-months-mms

More on her here:

http://io9.com/5916354/the-awful-inhumanity-of-using-bleach-enemas-to-treat-autistic-children

Haven't had the stomach to read it through to be honest.

That there is where my usual plea to use the legal system would fail to arrive.

recedite

There will be Minister(s) at hand to guide you through. Once completed you are certified as a registered Health Minister and your name will be displayed as Reverend. I.e. Rev June Smith

A whole weekend of quackology and you also get a Certificate of Ordination into the loon church as a Health Minister too. Seems like a bargain to me. But why are they only drinking tea at the event? They must be saving all the bleach for autistic kids.

PopePalpatine

Well, they'd be better Health Ministers than Mary Harney...:pac:

biko

SRC

Roughly 25 taxi drivers dispatched to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport are refusing to drive cabs adorned with advertising for the region’s upcoming Gay Games, citing religious reasons.

Ann Gynn, a spokeswoman for the Gay Games, said she believes the protest is an “isolated” case and not indicative of the beliefs held by most residents in Cleveland and Akron, where the Gay Games will be held on Aug. 9-16.

“What’s surprising is that the Gay Games are about inclusion,” she continued. “The Gay Games are open to everybody. This is about inclusiveness on sporting fields and welcoming people as they are.”

The affected taxicab companies will now backfill the airport’s fleet with metered vehicles until each company can hire replacement drivers. That process is expected to take up to three weeks, Mayo said.

Buddhists? Shinto? Mormons? Amish?
Nope, again it's the religion of love and peace...

Cabaal

I'm sure the same taxi drivers will be more the happy to take the money from the thousands of people that will go to the gay games though, funny that.....

biko

Buddhists doesn't like religious tattoos, deport brit.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/22/sri-lanka-deport-british-tourist-buddha-tattoo

Snippet

The statement said she had an image of the Buddha seated on a lotus flower tattooed on her right arm.

...Sri Lanka barred another British tourist from entering the island in March last year for showing disrespect to Buddhism by having a Buddha tattooed on his arm.

Sri Lanka, a majority Buddhist nation, is highly sensitive to perceived threats to the religion.

In August 2012, three French tourists were sentenced to six months in jail, which was suspended for five years, for kissing a Buddha statue in what the authorities considered was a sign of disrespect.

robindch

"Fox guest: Promoting church-state separation at Easter is as bad as Westboro Baptist"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/18/fox-guest-promoting-church-state-separation-at-easter-like-carrying-god-hates-fgs-sign

Raw Story wrote:

In a Fox News segment called The Unholy War on Easter, a field director from Faith and Freedom Foundation decried the lack of “class” exhibited by a separation of church and state group, comparing them to the infamous anti-gay Westboro church. At issue is a display being set up in Chicago’s Daley Plaza of two 8 foot banners featuring the secular views of Thomas Jefferson and President John Adams, with one banner reading ‘In reason, we trust,’ the other reading ‘Keep state and religion separate.’ According to host Anna Kooiman, the banners are being erected to “counter the Jesus” in the plaza; a ten foot tall image of “the resurrected Jesus” and a 19-foot Christian cross, both already on display.

Joining the host was Freedom from Religion Foundation Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor and Faith and Freedom Foundation Deputy National Field Director Virginia Galloway. After wondering if Easter has “evolved into an occasion to demean religious beliefs and Christianity,” Kooiman asked Gaylor, “If you don’t believe in life after death, if you don’t believe in all of this stuff….why do you care? Why do this?” “We believe, if our public square is being taken over by a religion, we should be there too,” Gaylor replied. Turning to Galloway, Kooiman asked, “Virginia, as a Christian, what’s your reaction?”

“Well, I think it is kind of sad, on the week that Christians are celebrating the most significant part of their religion, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and Jewish people are celebrating Passover, that we are attacked and denigrated, it doesn’t feel right,” Galloway said. She goes on to say that, “They have a right to express their opinion, a Constitutional right…” before adding, “It seems without class, like the Westboro crowd and the things that they did.” Kooiman then turned to Gaylor and asks, “What about bad manners here?’ Gaylor replied, “There is no bad manners in celebrating our secular Constitution.”

Galloway later complained “It’s not okay to say Christians can’t say anything in the public square. You can’t lock us in a building and say we can’t speak anywhere else.” Host Kooiman closed the segment telling the two women, “We love you both. God bless you both.”

PopePalpatine

It helps Murdoch's laissez-faire plans to keep America stupid.

bnt

Apparently, getting baptised can be risky, if you do it in the sea and you can't swim ..!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0mgSuIxqQ

Hotblack Desiato

Will Sunday be called off?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27145931

John Paul II crucifix crushes man in northern Italy

robindch

ninja900 wrote: »

Will Sunday be called off?

If only there were a chance of a real miracle...

Gbear

This is horrific:

http://www.alternet.org/how-christian-purity-culture-enabled-my-step-dad-sexually-abuse-me?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

To better understand the role that Purity Culture played in my step-father’s abuse, I would ask that you bear with me while I explain a little about the beliefs and practices of that culture.
I should distinguish first the difference between the emphasis placed on purity in mainline Christian circles, and the hardcore Purity Community. The latter is best known for their the icky tradition of Purity Balls.
At these annual events, daughters as young as five dress in elaborate white gowns and “gift” their virginities to their fathers for safekeeping.

I will grant you that purity balls are indeed cringe-worthy. But it is important that we not stop our examination of the culture at that point because the Purity Culture is far more troubling, and the relationship between father and daughter becomes far more enmeshed and emotionally incestuous than most articles about purity culture expose.

For starters, the balls are celebrations of the vow that these girls have made and the contract that they sign. They are agreeing to being spiritually married to their father and to God until such time as their father sees fit to give her to a husband.
For their part, fathers pledge to protect their daughters’ virginity, which is the “most precious gift that she can offer her future husband.”

The whole control that religions have over sex is just the creepiest **** in the world. It's why people who have the attitude "sure what harm does religion do" piss me off so much.
You can't challenge one part of it and not the others and the sort of revolting scumbaggery that occurs in the article is pretty much guaranteed at some point if you have these backwards and unchallengable beliefs.

Bellatori

ninja900 wrote: »

Will Sunday be called off?...
John Paul II crucifix crushes man in northern Italy

JPII (that supporter and very close friend of Benny the paedo protector) already has one miracle to his name. He only needs two and he becomes a saint.. In the old days before he changed the rule this would have counted against him as it is clearly God saying a big thumbs down. So are they going to insist of a 2 goal lead or are they going to ignore this own goal?

My guess is the latter. Well why not...? They made Caligula a god!

swampgas

Gbear wrote: »

The whole control that religions have over sex is just the creepiest **** in the world.

I suspect that it is because sex is so important to humans, and such a primal force, that is is so often tied up with religion. Some (many?) religions may have evolved as a response to human sexuality.

I wonder if it's only our relatively recent understanding of sex and psychology, and access to reliable contraception, that has demystified sex enough for most people to be willing to be willing to ignore much of the religious dogma on the subject.

So I'm never surprised when religions seem obsessed with sex, because I think religion has evolved (in part) as a mechanism to try to understand and control it.

PopePalpatine

Bellatori wrote: »

JPII (that supporter and very close friend of Benny the paedo protector) already has one miracle to his name. He only needs two and he becomes a saint.. In the old days before he changed the rule this would have counted against him as it is clearly God saying a big thumbs down. So are they going to insist of a 2 goal lead or are they going to ignore this own goal?

My guess is the latter. Well why not...? They made Caligula a god!

Wait, can you elaborate on the bit that I've bolded?

I wonder if he'll become an unofficial patron saint of paedophiles on the run.

Bellatori

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Wait, can you elaborate on the bit that I've bolded?

I wonder if he'll become an unofficial patron saint of paedophiles on the run.

My understanding is that JPII changed the rules for beatification. At one time there was a devil's advocate mainly to prevent spurious claims and also the number of certified miracles was greater.

The whole thing is in this article. I am somewhat limited in the way I can suggest links!

vatileaks.com/_blog/Vati_Leaks/post/How_Pope_John_Paul_II_organized_his_own_sainthood/

you will need to add the www.

"The question to be answered is this; ‘If John Paul II had not abolished the office of Devil’s advocate, would he have ever been beatified?’ The answer is NO and the reasons are revealed in ‘Pope John Paul II’s Dark Secrets’, an upcoming book"

Bellatori

Today JPII becomes a fast track saint - apparently Pope Francis waived the need for a second miracle. This is the main story on Radio 4, in the UK, program Sunday. Fetch me a bucket.

Well at least paedophiles have someone to pray to for intercession. I wonder if Pope Benny will be put in charge of the records and filing system in Heaven when he gets there... ? That should see them sorted then. I doubt the UN secretariat for children are going to get in...

Apparently the Vatican justification for JPII is that Saints aren't perfect he was just very Holy. It sort of puts the Vatican view of paedophile priests into perspective. It is just like a slight case of bad breath. They simply needed to use better toothpaste.

Gbear

Bellatori wrote: »

Today JPII becomes a fast track saint - apparently Pope Francis waived the need for a second miracle. This is the main story on Radio 4, in the UK, program Sunday. Fetch me a bucket.

Apparently they waived the need for the first as well..

recedite

It is interesting though that they are downgrading the miracle requirement. The whole idea of a "certified miracle" is getting a bit outdated nowadays, even laughable. In medieval times, a scroll handwritten and sealed with hot wax by an important rich guy wearing a big hat was really something. Nowadays, not so much. People want explanations, and reasons for things.

I notice they are emphasizing that these ex-popes were "really good people" and that's why they deserve to be saints (as if there weren't millions of other really good people in the world) They don't dwell too much on the actual miracles, whereas back in the old days, the miracles would have been the main event.

In a few decades, mainstream religion will probably just say that the miracles were metaphors. Like Noah's ark.

Bellatori

Gbear wrote: »

Apparently they waived the need for the first as well..

What I heard on the radio this morning was that a woman was believed to have had a potentially life threatening brain disorder. She kept a picture of JPII above the TV and somehow it told her that she was cured. She rushed to the priest and lo and behold she did not have a life threatening brain disorder. Its a miracle.

The important sentences that I noted in the broadcast were

was believed to have had

and also

potentially life threatening.

So there you go. And now he's a saint. You have to laugh...

Kivaro

ninja900 wrote: »

Will Sunday be called off?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27145931

John Paul II crucifix crushes man in northern Italy

I guess it was a "miracle" that nobody else died in the "accident"?

Brian Shanahan

Bellatori wrote: »

What I heard on the radio this morning was that a woman was believed to have had a potentially life threatening brain disorder. She kept a picture of JPII above the TV and somehow it told her that she was cured. She rushed to the priest and lo and behold she did not have a life threatening brain disorder. Its a miracle.

When I first heard about the Patron St. of Paedophiles being beatified (last step before priesthood), the "miracle" being used to jusitify it was straight out of Pat Robertson's 700 Club TV show "curings", i.e. a nun in southern Italy (no other identificiations) was cured of cancer of the colon (IIRC) because she prayed to Karol. So basically they know they've nothing to go on, and are just making **** up now.

pauldla

Not that cracked.com is the most reputable source of information on the internet, but I thought that this might make an interesting addition to the Hazards.


5 Insane Lessons from My Christian Fundamentalist Childhood

The Quiverfull Movement, eh? Do I remember Robert Graves making a joke in Goodbye to All That about the Hebrew quiver only holding six arrows?

Bellatori

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

When I first heard about the Patron St. of Paedophiles being beatified (last step before priesthood), the "miracle" being used to jusitify it was straight out of Pat Robertson's 700 Club TV show "curings", i.e. a nun in southern Italy (no other identificiations) was cured of cancer of the colon (IIRC) because she prayed to Karol. So basically they know they've nothing to go on, and are just making **** up now.

I know they were cod stats but I did post a back of the fag packet calculation that showed, on average, somewhere in the world c. 50 RCCs will recover spontaneously from cancer. The rate will be exactly the same as the rest of us. Rarely but sometimes the home team wins one. 'It is a miracle'. Well I suppose it is on the same basis that sometimes a non-league club beats someone in the premier league. Rare.. yes, a miracle... I suppose... an act of God... hardly.

Brian Shanahan

Bellatori wrote: »

Rare.. yes, a miracle... I suppose... an act of God... hardly.

It's not even a miracle, because a miracle means the suspension of natural laws to ensure an event happening. Spontaneous remission from cancer is a perfectly natural, albeit highly unlikely, occurence.

Bellatori

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

It's not even a miracle, because a miracle means the suspension of natural laws to ensure an event happening. Spontaneous remission from cancer is a perfectly natural, albeit highly unlikely, occurence.

True... the odds are, so I believe, about 1:60k for remission so definitely I would keep taking the chemo and radio...

because JPII is now the patron saint of child abusers on the run will he be depicted wearing a pair of Spaedos?!

Nodin

Scientific Womens Health advice, complete with medical terminology
http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/clueless-actress-alicia-silverstone-advises-women-to-ditch-tampons-30224439.html

Obliq

Nodin wrote: »

Scientific Womens Health advice, complete with medical terminology
http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/clueless-actress-alicia-silverstone-advises-women-to-ditch-tampons-30224439.html

Chichi ????! No Alicia, just no. Go away.

Cabaal

This just shows how much disrespect people from a religion of peace and love have for other faiths

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/04/28/palin-to-the-gallery/

In a speech at an NRA (National Rifle Association) event yesterday, one-time vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin (not Tina Fey) said with regard to America’s enemies:

“If I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptise terrorists.”

SebBerkovich

At this point, Palin's just some crazy person that equally crazy people used to listen to. Sooner we all just ignore her trolling the better the world will be i think.

Nodin

Obliq wrote: »

Chichi ????! No Alicia, just no. Go away.

That was, I have to say, a new one on me. Obviously I need at least a basic medical dictionary.

Obliq

Nodin wrote: »

That was, I have to say, a new one on me. Obviously I need at least a basic medical dictionary.

When you get one, look up hoo-ha as well, will you? Was planning on telling her to stick it up one or the other, but am not sure which is the correct term for the job.....

Nodin

Obliq wrote: »

When you get one, look up hoo-ha as well, will you? Was planning on telling her to stick it up one or the other, but am not sure which is the correct term for the job.....

Yes, though I guarantee nothing. This is Knowledge Not Meant For Man. Or women, so it seems.

PopePalpatine

SebBerkovich wrote: »

At this point, Palin's just some crazy person that equally crazy people used to listen to. Sooner we all just ignore her trolling the better the world will be i think.

The problem is that those equally crazy people aren't going anywhere fast, thanks to der Reichsminister für Volksaufklarung und Propaganda Murdoch.

robindch

Islamic fundamentalists appear to have tried to take control of a number of schools in Birmingham:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-26482599

Concerns about islamicization of UK schools were first raised almost twenty years ago and have been rejected by one of the alleged ringleaders.

Is this four-page letter, or the 72-page document available anywhere?

Turtwig

More a positive and a little late and apologies if already mentioned. The IMO overwhelmingly rejected a motion to remove fluoridation from water. Damn sheeple. :mad:

obplayer

Turtwig wrote: »

More a positive and a little late and apologies if already mentioned. The IMO overwhelmingly rejected a motion to remove fluoridation from water. Damn sheeple. :mad:

Genuinely curious, what is your opposition to fluoridation?

endacl

obplayer wrote: »

Genuinely curious, what is your opposition to fluoridation?

You might want to check the old sarcasm meter!

Turtwig

obplayer wrote: »

Genuinely curious, what is your opposition to fluoridation?

It's not diluted enough to be effective.

TheChizler

Turtwig wrote: »

It's not diluted enough to be effective.

obplayer

endacl wrote: »

You might want to check the old sarcasm meter!

Oops...

Brian Shanahan

Turtwig wrote: »

It's not diluted enough to be effective.

Oh yeah, as any fule kno, flouride needs to be diluted in a solution of 300C at least before it becomes effective. Sure, any stoned hippy will tell you that.

robindch

An Irish engineer dates a US fundamentalist. Things do not go very well.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90194828

Cabaal

robindch wrote: »

An Irish engineer dates a US fundamentalist. Things do not go very well.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90194828

thats pretty messed up