Rotten Apples

thelordofcheese

Actually, i blame Sonic Adventure for the ruination of the Sonic series,. but Sonic 3D was enough to make you cry.

Borat_Sagdiyev

4Xcut wrote:

Probably gonna get well and truely flamed but San Andreas. Not sure why all the things that made the others good were there, but it felt very lacking. I played the others nearly to completion and haven't even gotten to the 2nd city in san andreas. Just ruined the rep of III and vice city imho.

You're right in that it doesn't really do anything majorly different from VC or III in the first city, but you haven't seen any of the rest of the game. Its definately worth a go, but then again, I'm a GTA fan anyway so it would probably take a totally awful game for me to change my mind about the series (I still think 1 and 2 are good games!)

4Xcut

I wholy acknowlege that it was a well made game and i have played later parts on other peoples saves. I am a huge GTA fan, III and vice were 2 out of my top 3 games on the ps2, the other being FFX. I think it was just that gtaIII when you're 14 is so much better than the same game for the 3rd time when you're 17.

GTa III-Ground Breaking
GTa Vice City-Fixed a lot of the little flaws
Gta San Andreas-just not new

evad_lhorg

Ocarina of time. crap game. crap graphics... they all had pointy ears

Retr0gamer

Slice wrote:

Super Mario Sunshine was so far off the mark compared to the main Super Mario series, and worse still - it was over-rated

Oh come on. It wasn't as ground breaking as most Mario games but it was a fantastic game in it's own right. Probably the best platformer of this generation.

evad_lhorg

good god it was crap. ruined the series. thats what this is about and it did just that. i really hope they get rid of that awful thing where they just make you go into a level 15 times. "go beat an octopus in a race" "now go get 8 red coins" "now go get me some fresh cambodian breast milk".... its crap.


FLUDD? WTF?! more like WANNK

BlitzKrieg

I wasn't a fan of Sonic vs. Knuckles either!!!!

dont make me slap you

Sonic and Knuckles was the pinnacle of the sonic series.

rainbow kirby

Super Mario Sunshine is one of the worst games I've ever paid money for (admittedly only about a tenner, but still...). Luigi's Mansion is crap too.

CiDeRmAn

Loved Mario Sunshine, what was so wrong about the level goals amyway, no different than Mario64, think some of you are chasing that nostalgic memory of playing Mario64 for the 1st time and were disappointed when they didn't get the same buzz from Sunshine, but it was beautiful, really beautiful, I really loved cleaning the ink up as blobs of it were flying about and monsters oozing out from it, also the simple glare of the sunlight, lovely stuff, chasing that caterpillar around, I think it was Gelato Beach, wonderful, no one produced anything close to it during the previous gen.
Luigis Mansion was brilliant, great fun and a perfect little game, nothing on the same scalle as his brothers adventures but lovely, the way he hums the music as he is scared wandering the haunted halls, the way the vacuum sucks up cloth, the first time you look in a mirror in 1st person, each room more solid than anything I played before, great game, really, some people are unable to be objective.

Blub2k4

Super Mario Sunshine started crap and grew and grew on me, ended up loving it.

Carmageddon 2 really put paid to the fun in mowing down innocent bystanders by implementing a crappy driving system that made a sidewinder wheel feel like jelly, total rubbish after the first game.

madrab

i liked the second carmageddon, but the 3rd one (tdr2000) was abysmal

Borat_Sagdiyev

4Xcut wrote:

I wholy acknowlege that it was a well made game and i have played later parts on other peoples saves. I am a huge GTA fan, III and vice were 2 out of my top 3 games on the ps2, the other being FFX. I think it was just that gtaIII when you're 14 is so much better than the same game for the 3rd time when you're 17.

GTa III-Ground Breaking
GTa Vice City-Fixed a lot of the little flaws
Gta San Andreas-just not new

Not sure about that. There was no flying worth talking about in III, whereas one of the missions in SA requires you to shoot down two harrier jump jets with a harrier of your own.

There are loads of little things to keep you interested as well - the triathlons being one of them.

But if you don't like the game fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.

thelordofcheese

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Loved Mario Sunshine, what was so wrong about the level goals amyway, no different than Mario64, think some of you are chasing that nostalgic memory of playing Mario64 for the 1st time and were disappointed when they didn't get the same buzz from Sunshine, but it was beautiful, really beautiful, I really loved cleaning the ink up as blobs of it were flying about and monsters oozing out from it, also the simple glare of the sunlight, lovely stuff, chasing that caterpillar around, I think it was Gelato Beach, wonderful, no one produced anything close to it during the previous gen.

Me too, i though mario sunshine was great. granted it wasn't as ground breaking as Mario64, but that doesn't take away from it being a damn fine game.

Trode

Not sure about that. There was no flying worth talking about in III, whereas one of the missions in SA requires you to shoot down two harrier jump jets with a harrier of your own.

Yeah, but proper flying was first introduced in Vice City, not San Andreas, so it wasn't new. You had planes and helicopters(and toy RC versions of same) with different controls and flight models(i.e. planes had to take a run at take off, copters had to be tilted forward to go forward).
Still, SA had a jetpack.

Borat_Sagdiyev

Trode wrote:

Yeah, but proper flying was first introduced in Vice City, not San Andreas, so it wasn't new. You had planes and helicopters(and toy RC versions of same) with different controls and flight models(i.e. planes had to take a run at take off, copters had to be tilted forward to go forward).
Still, SA had a jetpack.

Fair enough. But there were loads of things that were new to the series, even if most of them were small things:

swimming
girlfriends
triathlons
gym
buying clothes/tattoos/haircuts
custom cars
territory wars
mini games (pool, computer games, casino, etc...)
eating and the ability to gain/lose weight
parachuting
nitros on cars
dual weapons
etc......

So you can't really say that it didn't bring anything new to the franchise.

Trode

So you can't really say that it didn't bring anything new to the franchise.

I didn't, I even mentioned something new it did add. I was just pointing out that flying wasn't one of them.

Slice

No, In reckon Super Mario Sunshine could have easily been just any other platformer compared to previous Mario games - there just wasn't anything special, impressive or different about it. That said, neither did it have that special feel to it that most other Mario games have (I'm not talking about all the Mario spin-offs here but primarily the original platformer series).

CiDeRmAn

Well, each to his own I guess.

As for the GTA titles, I too found SA lacking, the atmosphere of the 1st one, GTA3 that is, put you inside the Sopranos, or perhaps Goodfellas, crashing into a car dealership for the 1st time and nicking a fancy sports car, then the 2nd, a pitch perfect ode to the media images of sunshine and cocaine driven excess from Miami Vice, beautifully complemented by one of the best soundtracks on any piece of entertainment, game/film/tv included.
But the 3rd, SA simply came across as a foul mouthed over extension of the franchise, the landscape too sprawling, unrealistic plotting, even for a game, that sees a just released gang member end up flying attack choppers and riding jet packs, kind of Boyz In The Hood crossed with James Bond, didn't capture my attention but for a short space of time, then I trickled along til halfway through the Las Venturas missions before getting very pissed off with it and so it hasn't been booted up in my PS2 for nearly a year now.

Driver 3 kinda made me believe that maybe SA was the best that could be done and maybe I set my sights too high but Driver Parallel Lines is really really good, Reflections, the developer, have stolen the march from Rockstar with a, so far, 70's based game with better graphics, better on foot action and a soundtrack almost equal to that of Vice City, all it lacks is the humour of that title, but then SA hadn't much in the way of goog laughs either.

I am looking forward to GTA LCS, I didn't play the PSP version but my brother has it on the PS2 and assures me its excellent so I am saving my pennies and keeping my fingers crossed that Liberty City really is a town I can come back to.

4Xcut

its not great on the psp.....i can't imagine the ps2 version being any better.
A port of a poor port

Cuddlesworth

Borat_Sagdiyev wrote:

Fair enough. But there were loads of things that were new to the series, even if most of them were small things:

swimming
girlfriends
triathlons
gym
buying clothes/tattoos/haircuts
custom cars
territory wars
mini games (pool, computer games, casino, etc...)
eating and the ability to gain/lose weight
parachuting
nitros on cars
dual weapons
etc......

So you can't really say that it didn't bring anything new to the franchise.

The problem I have with all that is that I see it as a minor annoyance. Where are the differences in the main game that make it different from the previous titles? Thats why I got so bored quickly. And thats why I see it as a rotten apple.

Reaver772

evad_lhorg wrote:

Ocarina of time. crap game. crap graphics... they all had pointy ears

Your sir should be stuffed into a bag along with some heavy rocks and thrown into the nearest river like an unwanted kitten. The graphics aren't that great but the gameplay is unbelieable, and they were suposed to have pointy ears!