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Lemlin

KdjaC wrote:

cough cough depends on your view of entertaining, excuse joesoap tv reception he lives in the sticks and had his brother in the corner holding the aerial for 90 minues.

kdjac

Can't read the link because I'm in work.

I didn't get your second point, are you addressing me or JoeSoap? Is your point that we don't have TV reception down the country? Couldn't make it out TBH.

KdjaCL

Lemlin wrote:

Can't read the link because I'm in work.

I didn't get your second point, are you addressing me or JoeSoap? Is your point that we don't have TV reception down the country? Couldn't make it out TBH.

Its a goal from a **** game, nothing else happened in the match aside from that goal. Joesoap recorded it and the reception on his tv is terrible

http://rapidshare.de/files/18223639/Title_2.0001.mpg.html

Other version.


kdjac

Lemlin

KdjaC wrote:

Its a goal from a **** game, nothing else happened in the match aside from that goal. Joesoap recorded it and the reception on his tv is terrible

http://rapidshare.de/files/18223639/Title_2.0001.mpg.html

Other version.


kdjac

I'll have a look at it tonight, still can't look at it here in work.

Necronomicon

Yawn. We should just sticky an EL fans vs PL fans thead and keep the bitching to one thread!

therecklessone

Or we could all grow up and realise its nobody's business but our own who we f*cking support and why...:mad:

raheny red

Lemlin in what year did you begin supporting Blackburn?

KdjaCL

therecklessone wrote:

Or we could all grow up and realise its nobody's business but our own who we f*cking support and why...:mad:

Should we also keep our opinions about football to ourselves????


Close the forum recklessone doesnt like discussion........



kdjac

KdjaCL

raheny red wrote:

Lemlin in what year did you begin supporting Blackburn?

Woot won a fiver on betting that you would ask Lemlin that ....woohoo go me



kdjac

therecklessone

KdjaC wrote:

Should we also keep our opinions about football to ourselves????


Close the forum recklessone doesnt like discussion........

You seriously describe the EL vs PL merry go round as a discussion? Its the same tired bulls*it time after time. If Lemlin or anyone else chooses to support a foreign team and couldn't care about the EL that's his choice. He's the one missing out on what you and I know to be a good night out (though I haven't been in a while cos of work and home stuff)

If EL zealots don't like to hear people say the EL is sh*te, or lacks quality, then maybe they should lay off the "you're not a real fan" sh*tehawkery.

Lemlin

raheny red wrote:

Lemlin in what year did you begin supporting Blackburn?

1993 to be exact. And everyone asks me if it was '95 but it wasn't. I was supporting them two seasons before that. Why did I start supporting them?

Was just getting into football and flicked on the TV one day. They were beating Villa 3-0, who were second in the league, so I started supporting them. Seemed as good a choice as any and I didn't want to be just another sheep supporting Man United, Arsenal or Liverpool.

Could I have flicked on the TV and watched an Eircom League team? Now, there's a question for you.

therecklessone wrote:

You seriously describe the EL vs PL merry go round as a discussion? Its the same tired bulls*it time after time. If Lemlin or anyone else chooses to support a foreign team and couldn't care about the EL that's his choice. He's the one missing out on what you and I know to be a good night out (though I haven't been in a while cos of work and home stuff)

If EL zealots don't like to hear people say the EL is sh*te, or lacks quality, then maybe they should lay off the "you're not a real fan" sh*tehawkery.

I couldn't agree more. As I've said countless times today, different strokes for different folks. No-one has answered my question yet either. Why do some Eircom League supporters feel the need to constantly ram their opinion down our throats?

They're hardly a great selling point for the League or its supporters.

KdjaCL

therecklessone wrote:

You seriously describe the EL vs PL merry go round as a discussion? Its the same tired bulls*it time after time. If Lemlin or anyone else chooses to support a foreign team and couldn't care about the EL that's his choice. He's the one missing out on what you and I know to be a good night out (though I haven't been in a while cos of work and home stuff)

If EL zealots don't like to hear people say the EL is sh*te, or lacks quality, then maybe they should lay off the "you're not a real fan" sh*tehawkery.

But it still a discussion on a discussion board, regardless of my opinion on the matter people will still discuss it and some El fans will very emotional over it and some PL fans will get emotional over being called "not real fans".

But also notice the users who of late have started the ****ehawkery (hehhe good word) are all new, the threads will be disucssed and be very opinionated. An Irish soccer forum wouldnt be the same without them.

kdjac

KdjaCL

Lemlin wrote:

Why do some Eircom League supporters feel the need to constantly ram their opinion down our throats?

I did up above ^^



kdjac

Lemlin

KdjaC wrote:

I did up above ^^



kdjac

Just saw that now and answered it.

Roar

KdjaC wrote:

80s as in decade or 80s as in average crowd for Shels ???


If the latter is that inclusive of away fans?


/Zing


kdjac

Lmao, genius

johnos

Einst&#252 wrote: »

Would Angelina be mine:

• If I watch her on the telly for 2 hours a week?
• Or 20 minutes if there isn't a full length feature on - at least I tried right? :eek:
• If I buy some of her merchandise?
  • Would your partner at home mind any of the above?

...
Sorry, I'm stuck at home tonight, and thought it might make an interesting comparison! Maybe it will, maybe it won't - I'm tired and not sure how well up I did it!

That is one heavy-duty, Class A post, and you did it very well!
Too much has been said since to cover everything, but here's a very quick take.
a) I agree, as mentioned elsewhere (on foot.ie) that preaching to non-EL fans is not the way to convert them. That said, when it's done like this, it's fun.
b) One of the reasons why an EL offensive doesn't work is that it targets the football fan's greatest insecurity, the lurking fear that he isn't a 'real' fan. Irish EPL fans almost invariably react with extreme hostility (viz. 'I hope the EL dies'), and with expressions of heartfelt loyalty that puts ManU/Liverpool/Blackburn/Leeds/Chelski at the core of their very being. 'Eh up - I've followed Blackburn since 1548, me!'
c) It is interesting how many posters fill in the local part of their fandom credentials with expressions of loyalty to GAA. 'I don't need EL cos I go to the GAA.' We like our football sanitised and foreign: at home, we're happy with the high ball, TYVM.
d) As ever, we have the 'EL is crap' brigade' This argument holds no water. If the EL is crap, it is because you go to GAA games and watch football on telly instead. English and Spanish football also would be crap if Englishmen and Spaniards didn't go to games. I don't think the Ryanair fans would keep the EPL afloat, do you? Of course, EL here often is being compared unfavourably against bells and whistles Sky coverage and edited highlights. Don't try to tell me that bloody Blackburn v. bloody Middlesbrough, unabridged and unhyped, is in a different league of entertainment. It simply isn't.
e) I don't think it's anyone's 'fault' that Irish audiences follow English football to the detriment of the Irish game. It simply is a dramatic illustration of the power of mass media, in particular, of course, television. Rupert Murdoch puts it much better than me: 'As he told his own shareholders in a 1996 message: “We intend to use sports as a battering ram and a lead-offering in all our pay-television operations.”' (from The Economist)
(Our public service broadcaster, is, of course, entirely in thrall to the 'cross-channel' game, because its audience/programming strategy is a hopeless copout.)
But you would like to think that lovers of the game, and not merely of the box, would consciously try to resist the battering ram, out of self-respect if nothing else.

therecklessone

johnos wrote:

b) One of the reasons why an EL offensive doesn't work is that it targets the football fan's greatest insecurity, the lurking fear that he isn't a 'real' fan. Irish EPL fans almost invariably react with extreme hostility (viz. 'I hope the EL dies'), and with expressions of heartfelt loyalty that puts ManU/Liverpool/Blackburn/Leeds/Chelski at the core of their very being. 'Eh up - I've followed Blackburn since 1548, me!'

No, the reason it doesn't work is because those advancing the argument adopt an air of superiority to look down their noses at the other side. Simply put, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

johnos wrote:

d) As ever, we have the 'EL is crap' brigade' This argument holds no water. If the EL is crap, it is because you go to GAA games and watch football on telly instead.

Again, your charm offensive is really spoiling us.

johnos wrote:

Don't try to tell me that bloody Blackburn v. bloody Middlesbrough, unabridged and unhyped, is in a different league of entertainment. It simply isn't.

Nonsense. Its difficult to make exact comparisons, but based on last season's tables, Blackburn v Boro is roughly equivalent to Drogheda v UCD. Leaving aside your own bias towards the domestic game, tell me how many players in the domestic tie could come close to the potential to entertain of MGP, Bellamy, Reid, Downing etc. Compare the goalscoring charts, who would you prefer to see, Henry or Jason Byrne?

johnos wrote:

But you would like to think that lovers of the game, and not merely of the box, would consciously try to resist the battering ram, out of self-respect if nothing else.

I love the game, and I've loved Spurs since before Murdoch turned his attentions to the game. I'm not gonna walk away from that simply because I'm putting money in his pocket.

I'd like to think that rather than line the pockets of MCD or Ticketmaster that I'd be happy with a punk gig in the Boh's bar, but unfortunately I like to listen to recognised international artists.

It is as simple as this: we can dress it up and trash it out as long as we want, but kids develop their football allegiance at an early age. Get the domestic game on TV, get kids into grounds to watch games in the flesh, and you will have the audience of the future. In the meantime, sort out the administrative mess and provide decent facilites, and you might get people in the door today. Finally, stop alienating your potential customers.

p.s. I'm an EL fan by the way (though I'm sure KjadC wouldn't describe a Shels fan as an EL fan...;) )

Töpher

I think I should have included more smileys in the original post T'was just a comparison that came up in a conversation about two weeks ago and just a bit of fun! At the end of the day, all it is is some observations and a few questions - if people take offence at what are merely harmless questions maybe thats due to something on their end?

Not once did I imply anything along the lines of one set of fans being greater than the other, or more 'real'. I was merely asking why when (most) people won't entertain a permanent long-term irregular sexual relationship without a bit on the side (porn on the tv alone would not suffice!), it's different with football - especially when you're dying for some? Sex and football are, afterall, compared quite frequently!

Apologies to anyone I offended, but I'm still convinced on re-reading the initial post there's no ramming of anything down anyones throat(unusual with sexual analogies!), I don't think I lambasted anyone for what they do - each to their own afterall - its merely an analogy I found amusing, and at that its mostly questions!

johnos

therecklessone wrote:

I love the game, and I've loved Spurs since before Murdoch turned his attentions to the game. I'm not gonna walk away from that simply because I'm putting money in his pocket.

I'd like to think that rather than line the pockets of MCD or Ticketmaster that I'd be happy with a punk gig in the Boh's bar, but unfortunately I like to listen to recognised international artists.

Bohs v. Spurs? You're on thin ice there!

speriamo

Lemlin wrote:

1993 to be exact. And everyone asks me if it was '95 but it wasn't. I was supporting them two seasons before that. Why did I start supporting them?

Was just getting into football and flicked on the TV one day. They were beating Villa 3-0, who were second in the league, so I started supporting them. Seemed as good a choice as any and I didn't want to be just another sheep supporting Man United, Arsenal or Liverpool.

Could I have flicked on the TV and watched an Eircom League team? Now, there's a question for you.

I couldn't agree more. As I've said countless times today, different strokes for different folks. No-one has answered my question yet either. Why do some Eircom League supporters feel the need to constantly ram their opinion down our throats?

They're hardly a great selling point for the League or its supporters.

Hilarious post! He "supports" blackburn but has never been there. This is the football culture in this country. Turn on a tv and shout at it!

Probably the same people who would be screaming for Paraguay the other day without seeing the laughable hypocrisy.

Hey I couldnt care less what foreign club anyone "supports" as long as they take an interest in the EL instead of constantly running it down. And for your information the barstooler brigade spend a lot more time running down the league than El fans do "ramming their opinion down throats".

EL fans here you're wasting your time as they are completely brainwashed. Why do you think liverpool have the "support" they do here? Simply because everyone else "supports" them.