music - just wondering

Rockerette

hey


anyone who does music, in your melody writing, when you include a modulation to the dominant, how long do you guys modulate for?
in bar 7, do you just stay until bar 8? or do you stay till about bar 9 or 10?

i've just heard a few different ways to do it, and im just wondering what anywhere here does





also, do you modulate if its in a minor key?
im undecided if i will or not.. im afraid i'd screw it up... i dont know how.. i just probably will

exiot

No theres no modulation in the minor key

I stay until about bar 8, depends how my melody is going. Actually its been so long since I did a Melody Im not sure, Im leaving my music revision until next week. sorry

porn_star

I just stay til bar 8 aswell...


I haven't even looked at music yet and I only have the wedensday before hand to do so...
whoops.

Rockerette

exiot wrote:

No theres no modulation in the minor key

i know tis not compulsory, but i know a few people who are doing it, kinda adds something to what could be a very dull melody otherwise.. hhmm


yeah i havent looked at music really either.. apart from today.. irish music anyone?!
i'll learn about Sean Nos.. and Sean ORiada.. and pray to go either of those come up for those valuable 10 marks

Tellox

exiot wrote:

No theres no modulation in the minor key

I always modulate, even in the minor key...
usually I modulate in bar 7, and in bar 8 I use a minim and a rest.

Pez

can ne1 explain minor keys please??

delta_bravo

they are keys that aren't major:D sorry! too easy:)

exiot

Theres no extra marks going for it so Im not bothering with the modulation

Rockerette

Pez wrote:

can ne1 explain minor keys please??

eeek... as was said, the ones that arent major.. no other easy way to explain..

fatal

just 7 and 8

delta_bravo

the only difference i know between major and minor keys is that minor keys have a distinctive sound on the piano. its hard to explain , they have a sort of the tune you would hear on a mystical arabian thing. it makes sense if you play them on the piano.

Rockerette

and in written music, theres accidentals, that regularly appear, but arent in the key signature (thats right yeah? i think im explainign it right...)

JC 2K3

A natural minor scale is the Aeolion mode, you start on the 6th note of the relative major scale.

For example, G major is G A B C D E F# G
6th note is E, so the relative minor, E minor(natural) is: E F# G A B C D E

Notice the intervals between the notes in the major scale.
Taking G major again: G <whole tone> A <whole tone> B <semitone> C <whole tone> D <whole tone> E <whole tone> F# <semitone> G
And the minor scale(E minor natural): E <whole tone> F# <semitone> G <whole tone> A <whole tone> B <semitone> C <whole tone> D <whole tone> E
To compare a major key with a minor key I'll write out E major aswell: E <whole tone> F# <whole tone> G# <semitone> A <whole tone> B <whole tone> C# <whole tone> D# <semitone> E

So you see the difference between major and minor is the intervals between the notes of the scale, most importantly the fact that the interval between the 2nd and 3rd note of the major scale is a whole tone and only a semitone in minor scales meaning a minor triad/arpeggio is the same as a major one but with a lowered(flatted) 3rd, a minor third. As for telling whether a piece of music is minor or major, to be technical about it you have to listen/look out for intervals of minor/major thirds, minor/major arpeggios/triads etc. An easy way of doing it that works most of the time(unless the piece finishes in a modulated key)if you're looking at a piece of music is to look at the key signature to get 2 possible keys - a major one and a relative minor and the very last note of the piece will tell you which one.

I think I might actually take up music for the leaving....

JC 2K3

Rockerette wrote:

and in written music, theres accidentals, that regularly appear, but arent in the key signature (thats right yeah? i think im explainign it right...)

Only if it's a harmonic or melodic minor, natural minor keys don't have accidentals(although it's likely it will be harmonic or melodic in classical music).

A harmonic minor is a natural minor with a sharp 7th and a melodic minor is a natural minor with a sharp 6th and 7th on the way up and normal on the way down.

Rockerette

but in fariness, on a leaving cert melody writing question its definitely gonna be harmonic or melodic, and in an examples of the question, the way they "expect" you to work out its minor is cos of accidentals in the first line, and also the chord box thingy


^all you said is true, but trust me.. trying to explain minor keys to people who dont get them, its easiest to stick to practical things... some people dont even "get" the idea of intervals..




I'd love Queen to come up as the main question, just cos.

JC 2K3

Rockerette wrote:

but in fariness, on a leaving cert melody writing question its definitely gonna be harmonic or melodic, and in an examples of the question, the way they "expect" you to work out its minor is cos of accidentals in the first line, and also the chord box thingy


^all you said is true, but trust me.. trying to explain minor keys to people who dont get them, its easiest to stick to practical things... some people dont even "get" the idea of intervals..




I'd love Queen to come up as the main question, just cos.

Well I'm not actually doing music so I really amn't sure of what exactly the course involves and what standard they expect students to be at, I've seen the questions on Boh Rhap though, astoundingly easy... I'm thinking of just giving this subject a shot, I have no experience of writing melodies and some theory could throw me off(I know it's only a small percentage, but I haven't the slightest clue about Irish music terms). Might just get a book on it and read it over the summer....

Zapp Brannigan

In a Major I modulate to the dominant for bars 7 & 8 and then I'm back in the tonic from bar 9.

In a minor I usually modulate to the Relative Major for b 7&8 and then back to the minor from bar 9.

Sawa

Right guy all yis need to know is:

MAJOR= happy

MINOR= saaddd