Best lyrics??

SexyD4Lady

Personally, I love:

I was born in a wagon of a travelling show
My mama used used to dance for the money they'd throw
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good

Gypsies, tramps and thieves
We'd hear it from the people in the town
They'd call us gypsies, tramps and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down.

gustavo

Smiths -There is a Light that Never goes Out
Take me out tonight
Where theres music and theres people
And theyre young and alive
Driving in your car
I never never want to go home
Because I havent got one
Anymore

Take me out tonight
Because I want to see people and i
Want to see life
Driving in your car
Oh, please dont drop me home
Because its not my home, its their
Home, and Im welcome no more

And if a double-decker bus
Crashes into us
To die by your side
Is such a heavenly way to die
And if a ten-ton truck
Kills the both of us
To die by your side
Well, the pleasure - the privilege is mine

Take me out tonight
Take me anywhere, I dont care
I dont care, I dont care
And in the darkened underpass
I thought oh god, my chance has come at last
(but then a strange fear gripped me and i
Just couldnt ask)

Oh, there is a light and it never goes out
There is a light and it never goes out

SexyD4Lady

Heehee, my friend's favourite lyrics too.

Irish Wolf

SexyD4Lady wrote:

Heehee, my friend's favourite lyrics too.

How Soon Is Now? The Smiths,

I am the son and the heir
Of a shyness that is criminally vulgar
I'm the son and heir
Of nothing in particular

You shut your mouth, how can you say
I go about things the wrong way
I am human and I need to be loved
Just like everybody else does

I am the son and the heir
Of a shyness that is criminally vulgar
I'm the son and heir
Of nothing in particular

You shut your mouth, how can you say
I go about things the wrong way
I am human and I need to be loved
Just like everybody else does

There's a club, if you'd like to go
You could meet someone who really loves you
So you go, and you stand on your own and you leave on your own
And you go home, and you cry and you want to die

When you say it's gonna happen "now"
When exactly do you mean?
See, I've already waited too long
And all my hope is gone

Someday
Not one in particular

lol

*added title and artist

Irish Wolf

Here's something to ponder over....

Speed On the M9 - Malcolm Middleton

I'm so lonely, loooonely
I'm so lonely, loooonely
I'm so lonely
I'm gonna get caught by the police for company
And I try to pick up the phone
But when it's me nobody's home
Look at my face, check my eyes
They're getting dark with all these lies
I'm running out of time
I'm gonna speed on the M9

I'm so lonely
I'm gonna crash my car into company
I need to go to the hospital
I can't look after myself at all
Forget to eat, forget to drink
I'm not lazy, I just don't think
I'm running out of time
I'm gonna speed on the M9

I'm so lonely
I'm gonna get into a fight for the company
You hit me then I'll know that I'm here
No one seems to remember I'm here
No one cares, and in the end
It's times like these you realise your friends
I'm running out of time
I'm gonna speed on the M9

I'm so lonely, loooonely
I'm so lonely, loooonely

I'm so lonely
I'm gonna go out with a slut who'll hold me
I need to feel like I'm red hot
I don't care what she's got
I want to touch, I need to be held
Not for long just 'til I rebuild my shell
I'm running out of time
I'm gonna speed on the M9

pbsuxok1znja4r

One of the funniest and coolset songs I've heard in a long time - Cutsman by HORSE The Band. The lyrics are great, just for sheer WTF value.

lyricsmania.com wrote:

THAT LITTLE BASTARD, with his tricks and vile forms of
play hacking shaving slicing mutillating all that will
yield before him or that gets in his way. LITTLE
ANDROID MAN HALF THE SIZE THAT I AM SCISSORS ON HIS
HEAD SCCCIIISSSOOORRRRSSSSS ON HIS ****ING
HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Little android man-born without a
soul without that force of reason- the scissors took
control. Little android man- born without a heart if
he's in your vicinity he'll cut you apart! Here he
comes there's no line it's just a game Don't look back
he's right behind and here's my piece of mind. (cut
cut cutcut cut cut cutcut) little android man, born
without a soul without the voice of reason the
scissors took control! little android man, born
without a heart anything around him he'll simply tear
apart. robotic retard counts his fingers 1 2 3 4
LITTLE ANDROID MAN NEVER- NEVER - NEVER TRUST A LITTLE
ANDROID MAN HE'LL CUT CUT CUT CUT

You need to hear the song to really appreciate them!

X-SL

goo goo dolls - iris

Strokesfan

Strokes have the best lyrics ever!
"you say you wanna stay by my side, darlin' your head's not right, see alone we stand, together we fall apart"
Someday

*Tripper*

Pink Floyd-Breathe

Breathe, breathe in the air
Dont be afraid to care
Leave but dont leave me
Look around and chose your own ground
For long you live and high you fly
And smiles youll give and tears youll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be

Run, rabbit, run
Dig that hole, forget the sun,
And when at last the work is done
Dont sit down, its time to dig another one
For long you live and high you fly
But only if you ride the tide
And balanced on the biggest wave
You race toward an early grave.

Creamy Goodness

"Kill your bizarre mindset, ****head, soldered to a three-layered concrete brainwave castration"


biffy clyro - with aplomb.

favourite lyric of the moment.

Mushy

Smashing Pumpkins-Zero

"Emptiness is lonliness, lonliness is cleanliness
cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty, just like me"

thats brilliant just like the rest of the song.

Then again, all Tenacious D lyrics are hilarious

Stompbox

Gorillaz-Clint Eastwood

The essence the basics
Without it you make it
Allow me to make this
Childlike in nature
Rhythm
You have it or you don't that's a fallacy
I'm in them
Every sprouting tree
Every child apiece
Every cloud you see
You see with your eyes
I see destruction and demise
Corruption in disguise
From this ****in' enterprise
Now I'm sucking to your lies
Through Russ, though not his muscles but the percussion he provides
with me as a guide
But y'all can see me now cos you don't see with your eye
You perceive with your mind
That's the inner
So I'm gonna stick around with Russ and be a mentor
Bust a few rhymes so mother ****ers
Remember where the thought is
I brought all this
So you can survive when law is lawless
Feelings, sensations that you thought were dead
No squealing, remember
(that it's all in your head)

Alter-Ego

Stone Sour - Bother wrote:

Wish I was too dead to cry
My self-affliction fades
Stones to throw at my creator
Masochists to which I cater
You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

Wish I was too dead to care
If indeed I cared at all
Never had a voice to protest
So you fed me **** to digest
I wish I had a reason;
my flaws are open season
For this, I gave up trying
One good turn deserves my dying

You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

[Solo: Corey]

Wish I'd died instead of lived
A zombie hides my face
Shell forgotten
with its memories
Diaries left
with cryptic entries

And you don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on:
I'll never live down my deceit

I love these lyrics!!

AdrianR

Pink Floyd - "Shine on you crazy diamond" (Tribute to Syd Barrett, a talented original member who went mad)

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun
Shine on you crazy diamond
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky
Shine on you crazy diamond
You were caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze
Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon
Shine on you crazy diamond
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light
Shine on you crazy diamond
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!

(Part II)
Nobody knows where you are, how near or how far
Shine on you crazy diamond
Pile on many more layers, and I'll be joining you there
Shine on you crazy diamond
And we'll bask in the shadows of yesterday's triumph, sail on the steel breeze
Come on you boy child, you winner and loser, come on you miner for truth and delusion, and shine!

OR Pink Floyd - Comfortably numb:

There is no pain, you are receding.
A distant ships smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I cant hear what youre sayin.
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse,
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone.
I cannot put my finger on it now.
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb.

JC 2K3

Mushy wrote:

Smashing Pumpkins-Zero

"Emptiness is lonliness, lonliness is cleanliness
cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty, just like me"

thats brilliant just like the rest of the song.

Indeed, one of the best lines I've ever heard in a song.

AdrianR wrote:

Pink Floyd - "Shine on you crazy diamond" (Tribute to Syd Barrett, a talented original member who went mad)

Speaking of Syd Barrett:

The Gnome - Pink Floyd

I want to tell you a story
'bout a little man if I can.
A gnome named Grimble Gromble.
And little gnomes stay in their homes,
eating, sleeping, drinking their wine.

He wore a scarlet tunic,
a blue-green hood, it looked quite good.
He had a big adventure
amidst the grass, fresh air at last.
Wining, dining, biding his time...

And then one day...
Hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
"Oooooomray"

Look at the sky, look at the river.
Isn't it good?
Look at the sky, look at the river.
Isn't it good?

Winding, finding places to go.

And then one day
Hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
"Oooooomray"
"Oooooomray..."

Seems weird, simple and perhaps childlike but man they fit in with the song so well. Piper at the Gates of Dawn is the definitive psychedelic music experience.

Funnily enough, when Pink Floyd were recording "Wish You Were Here", also about Syd, guess who walked into the studio?

Peyton Manning

You all should really look into the lyrics of some hip hop music. Not the new 50 Cent teenybopper sh!t, but some old school up as far as 2pac. I also recommened checking out Big L - while his lyrics may not have had an important message like 2pac, his wordplay is absolutely amazing. Some of my favourite hip hop lyrics include:

'In my mind I couldnt find a place to rest,
Until I got that Thug Life tatted on my chest' - 2pac

Plus, the whole Changes song in itself is a masterpiece. To convey such a clear and important message whil simultaneously keeping with the flow and rhyme of the track is amazing.

Come on come on
I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
is life worth living should I blast myself?
I'm tired of bein' poor & even worse I'm black
my stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro
pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares
one less hungry mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers
give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill each other
It's time to fight back that's what Huey said
2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother but we can never go nowhere
unless we share with each other
We gotta start makin' changes
learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers
and that's how it's supposed to be
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
but things changed, and that's the way it is

[Bridge w/ changing ad libs]
Come on come on
That's just the way it is
Things'll never be the same
That's just the way it is
aww yeah
[Repeat]

[2]
I see no changes all I see is racist faces
misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight
and only time we chill is when we kill each other
it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
But some things will never change
try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game
Now tell me what's a mother to do
bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way
sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is

[Bridge]

[Talking:]
We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.

[3]
And still I see no changes can't a brother get a little peace
It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East
Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs
so the police can bother me
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do
But now I'm back with the blacks givin' it back to you
Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up,
crack you up and pimp slap you up
You gotta learn to hold ya own
they get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone
But tell the cops they can't touch this
I don't trust this when they try to rush I bust this
That's the sound of my tool you say it ain't cool
my mama didn't raise no fool
And as long as I stay black I gotta stay strapped
& I never get to lay back
'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs
some buck that I roughed up way back
comin' back after all these years
rat-tat-tat-tat-tat that's the way it is uhh

[Bridge 'til fade]

Peyton Manning

Sorry for double post, but I should also point out Goo Goo Dolls - Iris.

'And you cant fight the tears that aint coming,
Or the moment of truth in your lies.
When everything feels like the movies,
Yeah you bleed just to know your alive.'

Anam

AdrianR wrote:

Pink Floyd - "Shine on you crazy diamond" (Tribute to Syd Barrett, a talented original member who went mad)




OR Pink Floyd - Comfortably numb:

Excellent choices.In my opinion you really have to hear the songs for the lyrics to be done justice,especially with Shine On You Crazy Diamond.

Tar.Aldarion

[Speech:]
"Identifying the bodies which are decomposed, dismembered, skeletonised pose
very serious problems. We've had many cases in this department where a body
has been found in pieces, or decomposed, and we've been able to put things
together. Yes, the head, the upper part of the body, in a very badly
decomposed state..."

Excised and anatomised, deviscerated disarray
The torso diverged with pride
Deftly amputated, evulsed limbs now defunct
The trunk imbrued, tatty stumps used as lugs
For a chondrin puzzle so quaint
Head and body decollate
A heaving mass so quiescent...

Scattered and scrambled, your teasement grows
- A bloody caricature to make whole
A squirming grisly jigsaw, detrital fragments fit so snug
- That missing piece will leave you stumped
Totally desassembled, nicely sliced and diced
- A cold mannequin once resembled
Real cranium teaser, carved from flesh and bone
- So mystifying...

Battered and diffused, with placating blows
- A human jigsaw to make whole
A sequacious pattern which once fitted so snug
- Joining together each dubious lump
Ravaged disassembly, neatly cubed and diced
- A cold mannequin reassembled
Astute brain teaser, incorporate flesh and bone
So mortifying...

An incessant game - methodically made
With each cumulative piecing - of commensated meat...

Bi-manual reconstruction, eldritch problem complete
A convented effigy
A pathological toy, each chunk rigorously
Inter mortis locking, as you pathogenically rot
Such a perplexing task
To fit the remains in the casket
Uliginous mess so quiescent...

An incessant game - methodically made
With each cumulative piece - of commensated meat...

byte

Pink Floyd do have some great and usually mad lyrics.

The Wall album is my particular favourite.

Doomspell

Archimedes wrote:

Sorry for double post, but I should also point out Goo Goo Dolls - Iris.

'And you cant fight the tears that aint coming,
Or the moment of truth in your lies.
When everything feels like the movies,
Yeah you bleed just to know your alive.'

Totaly agree with that;)

Dermington

I have four favourites . These are my favourites because of the way the particular singers sing them too and they are not the same when sung by anyone else.

Lateralus by Tool
With my feet upon the ground
I lose myself between the sounds
And open wide to suck it in
I feel it move across my skin
I'm reaching up and reaching out
I'm reaching for the random, for
Whatever will bewilder me
Whatever will bewilder me
And following our will and wind
We may just go where no one's been
We'll ride the spiral to the end
May just go where no one's been
Spiral out
Keep going
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
4th Of July by Soundgarden
CAUSE I HEARD IT IN THE WIND
AND I SAW IT IN THE SKY
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE END
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY

PALE IN THE FLARE LIGHT
THE SCARED LIGHT CRACKS & DISAPPEARS
AND LEADS THE SCORCHED ONES HERE
AND EVERY WHERE NO ONE CARES
THE FIRE IS SPREADING
AND NO ONE WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT IT
DOWN IN THE HOLE
JESUS TRYS TO CRACK A SMILE
BENEATH ANOTHER SHOVEL LOAD
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jesus Christ Pose by Soundgarden (even though the song was written about that f*cking eejit from Janes Addiction)
And would it pay you more to walk on water
Than to wear a crown of thorns
It wouldn't pain me more to bury you rich
Than to bury you poor
In your jesus christ pose
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Snakecharmer by Rage (This song is why Evil Empire is their best album for me)
Your friendship is a fog
That disappears when the wind redirects
You! Interested in you, interested in you
Interested in you, interested in you

takola

gustavo wrote:

Smiths -There is a Light that Never goes Out
Take me out tonight
Where theres music and theres people
And theyre young and alive
Driving in your car
I never never want to go home
Because I havent got one
Anymore

Take me out tonight
Because I want to see people and i
Want to see life
Driving in your car
Oh, please dont drop me home
Because its not my home, its their
Home, and Im welcome no more

And if a double-decker bus
Crashes into us
To die by your side
Is such a heavenly way to die
And if a ten-ton truck
Kills the both of us
To die by your side
Well, the pleasure - the privilege is mine

Take me out tonight
Take me anywhere, I dont care
I dont care, I dont care
And in the darkened underpass
I thought oh god, my chance has come at last
(but then a strange fear gripped me and i
Just couldnt ask)

Oh, there is a light and it never goes out
There is a light and it never goes out

Agreed! :eek:

Nina_Angelica

"remembering you standing quiet in the rain as
i ran to your heart to be near and we kissed as
the sky fell in holding you close how i always
held close in your fear remembering you
running soft through the night you were bigger
and brighter than the snow and
screamed at the make-believe screamed at the
sky and you finally found all your courage to
let it all go..."

Nalz

FEAR - Ian Brown
Cannon Ball - Damien Rice
Oasis - Wonderwall
Wish You Where Here - Pink Floyd

uncle ernie

Toy Dolls - Carol Dodds is Pregnant

"She is getting fat
Her belly's got a lump in it
Keith must have done that
You'll never see him now
cos Carol Dodds is pregnant"

fillmore jive

Standing on the corner,
Suitcase in my hand
Jack is in his corset, and jane is her vest,
And me Im in a rocknroll band hah!
Ridin in a stutz bear cat, jim
You know, those were different times!
Oh, all the poets they studied rules of verse
And those ladies, they rolled their eyes

Sweet jane! whoa! sweet jane, oh-oh-a! sweet jane!

Ill tell you something
Jack, he is a banker
And jane, she is a clerk
Both of them save their monies, ha
And when, when they come home from work
Oh, sittin down by the fire, oh!
The radio does play
The classical music there, jim
The march of the wooden soldiers
All you protest kids
You can hear jack say, get ready, ah

Sweet jane! come on baby! sweet jane! oh-oh-a! sweet jane!

Some people, they like to go out dancing
And other peoples, they have to work, just watch me now!
And theres even some evil mothers
Well theyre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt
Yknow that, women, never really faint
And that villains always blink their eyes, woo!
And that, yknow, children are the only ones who blush!
And that, life is just to die!
And, everyone who ever had a heart
They wouldnt turn around and break it
And anyone who ever played a part
Oh wouldnt turn around and hate it!

Sweet jane! whoa-oh-oh! sweet jane! sweet jane!

I dont really pay much attention to lyrics when I listen to a song, but 'sweet jane' is just lyrical genius. Its the end of the last verse that always gets me....

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

Einstuerzende Neubauten - Perpetuum Mobile

( translated from the original German lyrics @ neubauten.org )

Perpetuum Mobile

I'm on the way
in a melange of jetlag and alcohol
in a bus at 100km/hour

I'm on the way
with my invisible ice machine
with my invisible open fireplace
they sit next to me in the airplane
they lie beside me in my king-sized hotel
bed
they don't count as excess luggage
they don't need a wake-up call
From A to B because of love
From A to B because of love
From A to B because of love
From A to B because of love
Because of love!

Elevator
Taxi
Baggage cart
Airplane
Baggage cart
Escalator
Escalator
Train
Airplane
bus
escalator
moving walkway
moving walkway
escalator
baggage cart
limousine
elevator

Perpetuum mobile
Perpetuum mobile
Perpetuum mobile
Perpetuum mobile

I check in
with my invisible house with garden
and my invisible range from Gaggenau
They sit beside me in the airplane
and later we empty the minibar
together
Sometimes they stay overnight in
hotel storage
or travel overnight in the crew's
equipment truck
My invisible house with garden
and my invisible range from Gaggenau
From A to B because of love
From A to B because of love
From A to B because of love
From A to B because of love
because of love!

-- Yes, this case was sometimes
left unattended.
-- Yes, others had access to it.
-- Yes, I was asked to carry presents.
-- Yes, there are electrical appliances in the case.
-- Yes, many batteries.
-- No, not everything belongs to me.

The dreams are wrecked time travellors.

elevator
car
elevator
baggage cart
escalator
airplane
A croissant, tea, mineral water
moving walkway
moving walkway
A cookie.
airplane
A vegetarian in-flight menu, with pasta
strawberry and chocolate cake. Red wine.
Red wine
Red wine
Bus
Escalator
Baggage cart
Taxi
Elevator
A gin and tonic.

Is it dreamworthy?

Perpetuum Mobile
Perpetuum Mobile
Perpetuum Mobile
Perpetuum Mobile

From A to B
with my invisible ice machine
From A to B
with my invisible open fireplace
From A to B
with my invisible house with garden
From A to B
with my invisible private zeppelin
From A to B
because of love the ways of love!

Tchocky

I hate these threads

But.....

I am an architect, they call me a butcher
I am a pioneer, they call me primitive
I am purity, they call me perverted
Holding you but I only miss these things when they leave
I am idiot drug hive, the virgin, the tattered and the torn
Life is for the cold made warm and they are just lizards
Self-disgust is self-obsession honey and I do as I please
A morality obedient only to the cleansed repented

I am stronger than Mensa, Miller and Mailer
I spat out Plath and Pinter
I am all the things that you regret
A truth that washes that learnt how to spell

The first time you see yourself naked you cry
Soft skin now acne, foul breath, so broken
He loves me truly this mute solitude I'm draining
I know I believe in nothing but it is my nothing
Sleep can't hide the thoughts splitting through my mind
Shadows aren't clean, false mirrors, too many people awake
If you stand up like a nail then you will be knocked down
I've been too honest with myself I should have lied like everybody else

I am stronger than Mensa, Miller and Mailer
I spat out Plath and Pinter
I am all the things that you regret
A truth that washes that learnt how to spell, learnt to spell

So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything
So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything
So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything
So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything

Anto McC

I like these lyrics

A and B song - Tom McRae

A says he’s glad to be here, b’s chasing storms in the lightning state,
Where everyday above the ground is a good day, and your life is great.
A’s got a cocaine body, b’s got a benylin brain,
A knows he’s gonna be somebody, b don’t believe in fame.

And all our time slips away

A’s got a girl for each season, b’s got a mail order bride,
A knows he’s headed for salvation, b’s afraid to die.
If hell is in the detail, babe, I’m a microscope,
I know I’ll live to see you swinging, given enough rope.

And all our time slips away

A’s growing tired of conversation, he’s already for his final scene,
B’s whistling hotel California, and still living out the dream.
Here we are together, let’s role the dice one more time,
Odd number says we walk away now, even says we die…don’t wanna die.

And all our time slips away
And all our time slips away

Alsatian_Cousin

Were you and he Lovers ?
And would you say so if you were ?
On a forecourt
On a Friday
Passing my way
Oh...

Were you and he Lovers ?
And if you were, then say that you were!
On a groundsheet
Under canvas
With your tent-flap
open wide


A note upon his desk
"P.S. Bring Me Home And Have Me!"
Leather elbows on a tweed coat
-Oh!-
Is THAT the best you can do ?
So came his reply :
"But on the desk is where I want you!"


So I ask (even though I know):
Were you and he Lovers ?