K Club employees threaten strike over pay row

ballooba

Wicknight wrote:

Thats a bit of a funny statement considering you are calling for people to get fired.

BTW which businesses are going to close down if the Ryder Cup didn't come here? And how did they not close down all the other years the Ryder Cup didn't come here?

http://www.rydercuphomerental.com for one.

The people working directly for the K-Club are not the only people working on the Ryder Cup. Consider the restaurants, hotels, self catering accomodation, airlines etc. that are relying on this money. The groundspeople working on the beautification of the routes leading into the venue. There is a lot of money being brought into the economy by the people who secured this event.

aidan_walsh

ballooba wrote:

Consider the restaurants, hotels, self catering accomodation, airlines etc. that are relying on this money. The groundspeople working on the beautification of the routes leading into the venue.

None of whom seem to have pay disputes with their employers. Which is good for them, but doesn't help the K-Club staff any.

ballooba

aidan_walsh wrote:

None of whom seem to have pay disputes with their employers. Which is good for them, but doesn't help the K-Club staff any.

Yes, but all those people will lose out if the K Club staff get too greedy.

ArthurDent

Thought this poem was apt

Ethics for Everyman

Throwing a bomb is bad,
Dropping a bomb is good:
Terror, no need to add
Depends on who’s wearing the hood.

Kangaroo courts are wrong;
Specialist courts are right.
Discipline by the strong
Is fair if your collar is white

Company output “soars”
Wages, of course “explode”;
Profits deserve applause
Pay claims the criminal code.

Daily the Church declares
Betting shops are a curse;
Gambling on stocks and shares,
Enlarges the national purse.

Workers are absentees
Businessmen relax;
Different as chalk and cheese.
Social morality
Has a duality –
One for each side of the tracks.

Roger Woddis, New oxford Book of Light Verse.

ArthurDent

ballooba wrote:

Yes, but all those people will lose out if the K Club staff get too greedy.

Balloba - are you saying those greedy waiters and waitresses should not look for a fair pay deal because it might harm people who are advertising their houses for over €10,000 for a week? as per that website you linked.

ballooba

Those people won't get €10,000 for their houses, whatever people might think, Americans are not dumb.

They are not going to pay Pate & Eileen €10,000 to stay in their hideously decorated 3 bedroom semi in Lucan.

People will get fair prices for letting property for the event which will be in the region of that demanded by self-catering accomodation, with of course a slight premium.

I Was actually pointing out a business, which is charging reasonable prices I might add, which would not exist without this event.

pete

ballooba wrote:

I Was actually pointing out a business, which is charging reasonable prices I might add, which would not exist without this event.

and which, coincidentally enough, shares nameservers with your own domain.

Zombrex

ballooba wrote:

http://www.rydercuphomerental.com for one.

The people working directly for the K-Club are not the only people working on the Ryder Cup. Consider the restaurants, hotels, self catering accomodation, airlines etc. that are relying on this money. The groundspeople working on the beautification of the routes leading into the venue. There is a lot of money being brought into the economy by the people who secured this event.

There is a lot of extra money being brought into the economy.

All these people would still have their homes and jobs if the Ryder Cup didn't come to Ireland. There are very very few jobs that have been created just for the Ryder Cup, which is kinda obvious because they would be employed as soon as it is over.

But since you mention it, there is a lot of money being brought into the economy by the staff at the K-Club, so is that not a good reason for the K-Club to actually pay them a decent wage?

ballooba wrote:

I Was actually pointing out a business, which is charging reasonable prices I might add, which would not exist without this event.

And it won't exist a day after the Ryder Cup either. What are the owners (you by any chance) planning to retire?

That is just a bit of money on the side scheme set up by some enterprising person. If the Ryder Cup doesn't go ahead they will probably go back to their day job. They would have to be pretty stupid to be totally relying on that anyway.

ballooba

pete wrote:

and which, coincidentally enough, shares nameservers with your own domain.

Your point being?

If your implying that I am involved with that site then you are mistaken.

ballooba

Wicknight wrote:

But since you mention it, there is a lot of money being brought into the economy by the staff at the K-Club, so is that not a good reason for the K-Club to actually pay them a decent wage?

This is something that keeps cropping up on this thread. It is not the staff of the K Club who brought the Ryder Cup to Ireland. They are salaried employees, they took no risk in setting up that business or running it over the last 15 years.

Zombrex

ballooba wrote:

This is something that keeps cropping up on this thread. It is not the staff of the K Club who brought the Ryder Cup to Ireland.

No, they are just the ones who will actually do everything when it gets here :rolleyes:

Having the Ryder Cup come is a licence to print money. It is hardly a "risk".

pete

ballooba wrote:

Your point being?

If your implying that I am involved with that site then you are mistaken.

A coincidence it is, then.

Rabies

What area do the staff work in?
How much are they paid?

No doubt the K Club will be hiring extra staff for this event. Will the new staff be on the same rate of pay or the expected increase the current established workers are expecting to get?

If workers are on what is deemed an acceptal rate then maybe a bonus system could be arranged based on the quality of the work they do.

The K Club staff are not the only people who have to work at this event. If there was an issuse with money it should have been brought up months ago, not 3 months before the event kicks off and 2 months before the site build starts.

Rabies

Wicknight wrote:

No, they are just the ones who will actually do everything when it gets here :rolleyes:

You couldn't be more wrong with that statement.

mountainyman

Rabies wrote:

The K Club staff are not the only people who have to work at this event. If there was an issuse with money it should have been brought up months ago, not 3 months before the event kicks off and 2 months before the site build starts.

I disagree we are talking about a labour court judgment. The staff are seeking to ensure that the law is enforced. Fair play to them.

Only a fool would wait till the time that suits the employer before negotiating.

Remember people your boss fights the class war every day.

MM

Zombrex

Rabies wrote:

You couldn't be more wrong with that statement.

So you think the upper management of the K-Club will be cleaning the toilets and serving the drinks? Clearing the grounds and providing security?

I'd imagine they will be watching the golf, probably in a comfy chair

Rabies

Wicknight wrote:

So you think the upper management of the K-Club will be cleaning the toilets and serving the drinks? Clearing the grounds and providing security?

I'd imagine they will be watching the golf, probably in a comfy chair

I know the upper management of the K Club will be watching the golf from a nice comfy chair.

The main building and greens will be serviced by nearly all K Club staff.

The larger areas and corporate boxes, marquees, tented village, dining marquees, bars, kitchens, toilets, clearing of all grounds, carparks, security, site build/running/take down will all be done by external contractors.

The stewards at each hole or generaly unpaid, they work because they want to. In return they get free food, alcohol and other little perks.

The general K Club staff will still be doing almost the same amount of hours as a normal week. The only difference will probably be split shifts and contractors brought in to help them with some grounds keeping jobs.

ballooba

Wicknight wrote:

No, they are just the ones who will actually do everything when it gets here :rolleyes:

Yes, that's what they're paid for.

Wicknight wrote:

Having the Ryder Cup come is a licence to print money. It is hardly a "risk".

No but spending millions of euro setting up and developing the club for the fifteen years that the Ryder Cup wasn't there was a risk.

The boyos who round saying things like "the union wouldn't like that" every time they are asked to do something are exactly the type who wouldn't have the ambition or balls to set up something like the K Club.

Hotblack Desiato

Most ridiculous politics thread ever?

Balooba, maybe if these people were paid more than 50c over the minimum wage they might have a bit of spare capital to exercise their "ambition" with?
They have ambition all right, their ambition is to make a decent wage for a decent week's work, put food on the table and hope that, one day, their lives might get a little bit better.

Laughable to say that "the whole island" is looking forward to the Ryder Cup. I'm thoroughly sick of it, so is everyone I know and it's months away yet. I'm boycotting every single product or service which is bombarding us with the likes of "official toilet seat wipes to the Ryder Cup" propaganda.

Sponge Bob

ballooba wrote:

Consider the restaurants, hotels, self catering accomodation, airlines etc. that are relying on this money. The groundspeople working on the beautification of the routes leading into the venue. There is a lot of money being brought into the economy by the people who secured this event.

$18000 to RENT A SEMI

http://www.rydercuphomerental.com/search.php?op=search&PROPERTYTYPE=&PROPERTYPRICE=1000000&PROPERTYBEDROOMS=0

but you approve of this greedy muppetry do you not .

I must bang a house onto that site for €57000 , it will look good

Zombrex

ballooba wrote:

No but spending millions of euro setting up and developing the club for the fifteen years that the Ryder Cup wasn't there was a risk.

You think setting up the K-Club was a risk? The club is an overpriced exclusive golf course in celtic tiger Ireland ffs. It on its own is a licence ot print money

FlutterinBantam

ballooba wrote:

This is something that keeps cropping up on this thread. It is not the staff of the K Club who brought the Ryder Cup to Ireland. They are salaried employees, they took no risk in setting up that business or running it over the last 15 years.

Correct and right Ballooba.... lets cut to the chase... Staff saw the Ryder Cup coming over the horizon...saw the opportunity to put the squeeze on for the fewextra shills.... that the situation.... happens all over the country usually at bank Holiday weekends in the transport industry.... nothing unusual

ballooba

Wicknight wrote:

You think setting up the K-Club was a risk? The club is an overpriced exclusive golf course in celtic tiger Ireland ffs. It on its own is a licence ot print money

K-Club was set up in 1991. Long before the Celtic Tiger, which only started in the mid 90's.

ballooba

Sponge Bob wrote:

$18000 to RENT A SEMI

http://www.rydercuphomerental.com/search.php?op=search&PROPERTYTYPE=&PROPERTYPRICE=1000000&PROPERTYBEDROOMS=0

but you approve of this greedy muppetry do you not .

I must bang a house onto that site for €57000 , it will look good

It doesn't matter whether I approve of it or not. Those people will not get that money for their house.

My post was talking about decent honest people charging honest prices, profiteering is profiteering whatever shape or form it takes.

ArthurDent

ballooba wrote:

My post was talking about decent honest people charging honest prices, profiteering is profiteering whatever shape or form it takes.

Not quite - your original post on this was that the workers had no right to protest - whether their pay claims are justified or not.

ballooba wrote:

They should be sacked, the whole country is looking forward to the Ryder Cup and these whingers are trying to ruin it.

Whether their wage claim is legitimate or they are just pure profiteering they should be sacked.

No chance that these workers could be "decent honest people" too?

ballooba

ArthurDent wrote:

Not quite - your original post on this was that the workers had no right to protest - whether their pay claims are justified or not.

No actually, it was about the timing of the strike.

ArthurDent wrote:

No chance that these workers could be "decent honest people" too?

Possibly. Given what they're doing. Probably not.