Throwing your own baby shower

bandraoi

The American tradition is for someone to celebrate the mother to be by throwing her a party. The American tradition is not for the mother to be to celebrate herself by throwing a party. If, as you say, that what you want is to attend a baby shower rather than to receive gifts, I would suggest that you introduce the American tradition by throwing a shower for one of your friends here who is pregnant.

I don't like the concept of a baby shower. Most Irish people buy the absolute minimum for a baby before it is born. Some of this is due to superstition, and some of it is an acknowledgement of the very real risks that go with childbirth and newborn babies. If something does go wrong, people don't want to be left with reminders.

The Irish tradtion is to celebrate a successful birth and to welcome a new member to the community. To me that is a much better reason to host a party than the concept behind a baby shower.

Nightwish

Well said, bandraoi. Thats the way I feel about it. I would never give a pregnant woman a gift before the baby is born. Thats just the Irish way I suppose.
If the OP wants to have her party, she should but she shouldnt feel offended that no-one has decided to throw one for her. Its just not something that would cross an Irish persons mind, to do, if their friend was pregnant.

Chinafoot

trillianv wrote:

I am surprised at some of the rather cloaked hostility being displayed as I have had no negative reaction from any of my friends or husband's family here.

If you have had no negative reaction then go ahead and have the party. It's your decision. You asked what we thought and we responded. You didn't like it, but such is life. As far as I can see the only person being in any way hostile is yourself.

trillianv wrote:

I would think that most of you, if you had a close friend/family member/in-law who was from another culture you would be willing to do something that may not be the "norm" but would give her a small taste of home at a time when she would be missing it the most

I'm sure we would. We'd also make that person aware of the possible reactions that certain foreign customs may cause. I have always been of the belief that you should respect the customs of the country that you are in. Being ignorant of certain traditions can result in causing major offence. I'm not suggesting that everyone you invite to your baby shower would be hideously offended but some people may see it as a bit cheeky and feel obliged to buy presents, when they had most likely planned to buy you something when the baby arrives and for the christening. I am also not in anyway suggesting that you disregard all of your own country's customs and traditions.
But rather, just have some awareness of how things are done here.

As far as I can see that is all people on this thread have tried to say.

You have to remember trillianv, chances are most of us will have an impression of baby showers from American tv shows. It's about giving presents for the baby before it's born (something rarely done here), hence the suggestions of calling it something else if you are going to insist that you don't want presents.

*shrug*

Beruthiel

trillianv wrote:

I am surprised at some of the rather cloaked hostility being displayed

where?
all I see are fairly honest opinions, which is what you asked for.


I have had no negative reaction from any of my friends or husband's family here

well of course you haven't, I'm guessing they are too polite to tell you anything other than what you want to hear on this subject. Not surprising as you would appear to get defensive very quickly.

BMH

trillianv wrote:

She also intends to bring one present, once to the shower and that is it.

You don't seem to be doing a great job of telling everyone not to bring presents.

I am not having a shower for the presents though

but...

it is not my fault if someone feels obligated to bring something.

This same woman I was speaking with is throwing herself a party for her birthday and openly admitted she was "doing it for the cash".

Birds of a feather...?
Don't come whing to me about being insulting, especially after...

I love how some of you can be so dual standard about this. Let's face it...it's because it is an "american" thing....not any other reason.

Nice way to thank everyone for giving their honest opinion about your problem. Face it, a friend isn't going to tell you to your face what they honestly feel about something as they don't want to hurt you. People off the internet will as is evident in this thread. You came here to reassure yourself that it was alright and you didn't get what you wanted and decided to start flinging generalisations all over the place.

Dave!

I think you need to get over yourself trillianv. Nobody is being hostile except you, we just gave our opinion of how it might be perceived, and how we might perceive it. Most people think a shower is a good idea.

Grow up ffs, you're having a hissy fit because we didn't give you the right answer.

Ickle Magoo

OP,

I think a pamper party is a great idea....sorry, but I'm also not too hot about a baby shower....I certainly wouldn't throw one for myself any more than I arranged my own hen night....it's traditionally thrown for you by other willing participants as opposed to you throwing for yourself & inviting unsuspecting guests....

I am not Catholic, my children weren't Christened and I wouldn't have liked to ask for or receive gifts before our babies were born....I loved the party that was thrown which the baby attended and people were invited with the main premise to meet the baby, rather than turn up with a gift - which most of them did anyway....now, I know you said it wasn't about gifts but lets face it - that's exactly what a baby shower is all about....I'd say if your responses here are anything to go by, folks may be too polite to say anything to your face as you clearly have your heart set on one regardless....

Yes, people throw themselves housewarmings & birthdays, etc - but as far as I know they only happen occassionally as opposed to baby shower & then the birth in a few weeks.....there are some friends & family over here that insist on getting a gift for the kids whenever we see them....I honestly can't imagine many Irish people turning up to a baby shower empty handed, even if you pointed out they should - the Irish just aren't like that...I'd say the majority wouldn't turn up to see the baby empty handed either and so tho you may not want it viewed as such - some may see it as yet another occassion they must get your baby a gift....

I'm not Irish, I know what you are saying about different traditions but it is a completely different culture here (not anti-american I might add!) and altho you want to introduce your own traditions, you must realise that most people will take on board your traditions and then carry on with their own as well, therby paying for both traditions rather than one or the other as you suggest.....

All the best with babs, whatever you decide

You come here asking a question and then get defensive and moan when you don't hear what you wanted to hear. It comes off very immature. If you had already decided to have a baby shower, then why did you bother posting here? Almost everyone has advised you not to do it, and if it's not about presents then why are you calling it a baby shower? The very name implies people are obliged to bring gifts. Otherwise it's just a party or get together. I find it hideously rude to complain that people here are being hostile when you're the one trying to impose your traditions. Obviously you have every right to do it but don't be surprised if you find out people are bitching about you behind your back. Not only does it go against Irish tradition of it being bad luck to buy gifts before a baby is born (many of my relatives don't even buy for their own babies before they're born) but it looks kind of greedy. It's really unfair and mean to accuse people of anti-Americanism when you're the one who moved to another country and can't accept the way of life here. It would be the same for anyone from anywhere. I have many relatives who aren't Irish including Americans, none of whom have had a baby shower because it isn't the done thing here. One of them did have a small gathering but didn't call it a shower and nobody brought presents. Likewise I have lived in several countries and while I retain my customs and way of life, I don't impose it on other people. I am not anti-American in any way, I lived there, I have many friends and relatives from there but they don't walk around claiming people are against Americans every time they hear something they don't like. That kind of attitude rubs me the wrong way. There are many immigrants from Portugal and Lithuania in my town and they never claim racism when people question their traditions and so on. If your friends are fine about having a baby shower then go ahead and have one but as you can see it's not the norm.

dbnavan

Ok first thing is first alot of people here, are not perents. When the Irish go move away we open an irish pub as soon as we get a corner free. I am sure the people who 'expect' the OP to to the Irish culture, never drank in an Irish pub abroad, thinks there should be no sinagog(sp?) in Dublin cause we are a catholic country, maybe the chinese should take their food and ship up back to asia, cause well its just not Irish, oh but wait we like it so lets embrace it.....infact lets make it more Irish, keep them open til the pubs close, fall in there door, make some reference to Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan, while ordering a Curry(which is infact Indian, not chinese but the English and Irish made it Chinese)

Whole point of this post is when the Irish move away they expect to bring Ireland with them, but if you wanna move here, well u just have to adapt to the Irish way.......

And as already stated Baby Showers are not just American they are England too, infact Geri Haliwell just had one. We either want to be part of the International Community (and respect other cultures) or become a closed minded society, we cant pick and choose.

As for not buying stuff before the baby is born, do people think that you can buy a cot, a pram, nappies, food, clothes, the list is endless, in the 24 hours before the baby is discharged from hospital? And who does all this?

Comparing a baby shower and a Chinese restaurant is NOT the same thing. I don't feel obliged to go down to the Chinese and buy them gifts for their New Year. Their tradition is their business, as are synagogues and mosques. I don't know anyone who has a problem with people bringing their traditions, but this is a case of people feeling obliged to buy gifts for something they may not agree with and goes against the supersticions etc.

Ickle Magoo

dbnavan wrote:

As for not buying stuff before the baby is born, do people think that you can buy a cot, a pram, nappies, food, clothes, the list is endless, in the 24 hours before the baby is discharged from hospital? And who does all this?

Well, we bought most of that stuff ourselves or the expectant Grandparents asked us to pick out a buggy or whatever & paid for it....when we were expecting people called and asked could they get something....or offered us something of theirs second hand....at no time did we request anything from anyone or do something that inferred they should get us something....I guess that's the bit I'm uncomfortable with - I'd be mortified if anyone felt obliged to get a gift - or fork out twice....I love the idea of the party other than that bit....

People like presents to be practical & personal....most of our presents arrived in pink or blue or to suit the child ie our son was premature so we received lots of premie clothes which were much more useful to us & him than the 3-6month stuff we received for daughter who was term.....any nappies or clothes bought for him before he was born were useless for months....so there is a practical side to waiting....

Anyway, these are just our own views about how we would feel....I don't think you have to be a parent to be invited to a baby shower and therefor hold an opinion on them.....I guess if the OP feels comfortable with it then there is no issue - but then if that is the case, I'm a bit confused as to why she would post here and ask for said opinions....

EDITED TO ADD: Meant to say...most women stay in hospital for a few days....not many are released within 24hrs....if you have a section you can expect a 5day stay...so loads of time to buy things!

Dyr

What y'all doing for thanksgiving??

ffs lads we've managed to replace halloween with the crap hollywood version of it (the one decent tradition we had), that's more than enough cultural compromise lol

feckin baby showers, fordeluvvinhonorajayzuz :rolleyes:

Chinafoot

dbnavan wrote:

Ok first thing is first alot of people here, are not perents. When the Irish go move away we open an irish pub as soon as we get a corner free. I am sure the people who 'expect' the OP to to the Irish culture, never drank in an Irish pub abroad, thinks there should be no sinagog(sp?) in Dublin cause we are a catholic country, maybe the chinese should take their food and ship up back to asia, cause well its just not Irish, oh but wait we like it so lets embrace it.....infact lets make it more Irish, keep them open til the pubs close, fall in there door, make some reference to Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan, while ordering a Curry(which is infact Indian, not chinese but the English and Irish made it Chinese)

Whole point of this post is when the Irish move away they expect to bring Ireland with them, but if you wanna move here, well u just have to adapt to the Irish way.......

Eh....what? So you reckon that every Irish person that moves away opens an Irish pub? Get a grip man.

Oh and as for the English and Irish "making" curries chinese...there are plenty of Chinese take aways run by Chinese people in this country. It is the people who run the business's that decide the menues. They also try and incorporate other areas of food that will be eaten by the population they are targeting. Our local chinese (and yes it is a chinese because the word "china" is in the name) also provides, Indian and Thai food and some have burgers and chips etc. They try to adapt their food to reach a wider market. You know, adapt to the country they are in? Be aware of the tastes of those they are hoping to gain business from.

Not one person on this thread has said that the OP should abandon all her traditions and customs. She has merely been made aware of the response that she *may* get.

dbnavan wrote:

And as already stated Baby Showers are not just American they are England too, infact Geri Haliwell just had one. We either want to be part of the International Community (and respect other cultures) or become a closed minded society, we cant pick and choose.

Baby showers aren't exactly the done thing in England either and I don't think you can use the example of what is essentially a celebrity baby shower in order to prove its the norm. It was held by George Michael after all. One shower does not a tradition make.

We are becoming part of the International Community and we do respect other cultures, just as our culture needs to be respected. The people on this thread have offered their opinion - which was requested- and the OP didn't like the response. Nobody has been disrespectful at all.

No one here is picking and choosing. It is entirely unfair to suggest that because the majority of posters here have said that they personally would not like a baby shower nor do they think most Irish people would be too receptive to one, that we are closed minded.

As has already been pointed out, most people buy for the baby after it's born as is the tradition in this country. Obviously the parents buy the essentials such as the cot and the pram...however do you think they are going to want tonnes of baby clothes and toys around the house that they received at their "shower" should anything happen to their child either before are directly after the birth? I know I certainly wouldn't.

The thread is about baby showers anyway. You are simply dragging it off-topic with your philosophical and quite frankly ill-thought out musings. If the OP had her mind set on a baby shower she shouldn't have asked for advice she had no intention of taking on board.

will'o'wisp

Traditions are important while i might find it odd being invited to a baby shower by one of my irish friends I would feel honoured if one of my american friends living here were to invite me to one and i certainly wouldn't see it as someone fishing for gifts. You go ahead and have a great party, I'm sure all your real friends will be deighted for the chance to celibrate wth you

iguana

trillianv wrote:

I am surprised at some of the rather cloaked hostility being displayed as I have had no negative reaction from any of my friends or husband's family here. I would think that most of you, if you had a close friend/family member/in-law who was from another culture you would be willing to do something that may not be the "norm" but would give her a small taste of home at a time when she would be missing it the most.

You stated in your original post that you told your mother and sister-in-laws how much you would like this, yet they didn't do it for you. Has it dawned on you that maybe this reason is that they were too embarrassed to issue invites to this as they are aware of how this would be percieved by your Irish friends that they would invite.

The majority of people here gave you their honest reaction to it, and it is likely that many of your friends will have the same gut reaction, but would be too polite to say it to you. There is no reason not to have a party, I completely empathise with any emotional need to have this gathering that you have. But I can't understand your insistence on calling it a shower when you know it is possible that by doing so you will make some of your friends uncomfortable.

Nobody here has voiced objections to the shower based on it's American origin. Tbh, I would have assumed that the tradition was one brought to America by an immigrant group and then took off accross the country. In the same way that Halloween was brought to the US by Irish immigrants, but has become a national celebration. However whatever it's origin I find the idea (if I'm very honest) repugnant, in the same way that I find wedding lists or requests for cash in lieu of gifts at celebrations to be.

If you want to call it a shower go ahead, it's your perogative, but be aware that there is a strong possibility you will be making some of your friends uncomfortable.

Oriel

OP, I'm sure you don't invite your friends around to celebrate thanksgiving, so you probably shouldn't do the same for a baby shower.

Dave!

dbnavan wrote:

Ok first thing is first alot of people here, are not perents. When the Irish go move away we open an irish pub as soon as we get a corner free. I am sure the people who 'expect' the OP to to the Irish culture, never drank in an Irish pub abroad, thinks there should be no sinagog(sp?) in Dublin cause we are a catholic country, maybe the chinese should take their food and ship up back to asia, cause well its just not Irish, oh but wait we like it so lets embrace it.....infact lets make it more Irish, keep them open til the pubs close, fall in there door, make some reference to Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan, while ordering a Curry(which is infact Indian, not chinese but the English and Irish made it Chinese)

Whole point of this post is when the Irish move away they expect to bring Ireland with them, but if you wanna move here, well u just have to adapt to the Irish way.......

And as already stated Baby Showers are not just American they are England too, infact Geri Haliwell just had one. We either want to be part of the International Community (and respect other cultures) or become a closed minded society, we cant pick and choose.

As for not buying stuff before the baby is born, do people think that you can buy a cot, a pram, nappies, food, clothes, the list is endless, in the 24 hours before the baby is discharged from hospital? And who does all this?

Are you on f*cking drugs? Most people in this thread are not opposed to the idea, in fact I think it's a nice tradition. The thread isn't about having a baby shower -- it's about having one yourself (as opposed to someone else throwing it for you), and how people might respond to this. We've all given our opinions, mainly that it comes across as cheeky because the idea is to "shower" the baby with gifts, so people feel obliged to buy them.

You must be just looking for a f*cking fight or somethin. It makes no difference whether we're parents or not. You're talking out of your arse, grow up.

Dyr

Isnt dropping a load of gifts on a newborn baby not a wee bit cruel

bandraoi

If you want to do it, don't call it a baby shower. The name in itself implies presents.

Call it a pamper party or a spa day or something.

Tell your friends that you want to spend a girly day in, relaxing and enjoying their company before the birth of the baby.
Either buy lots of products or hire somebody who does massages and the like to come to the house for the day.

That way you still get your party, you've removed the "I'm the centre of attention" aspect and you've removed the "presents for the baby" aspect.

Pink Bunny

trillianv wrote:

My mother-in-law knows how much this would mean to me as does my sister-in-law yet are showing very little interest in the upcoming birth anyways

Now I know they are not really the norm here but do you think I am right in doing this?

I get the idea this might be about more than just a baby shower and maybe your feelings are hurt because you don't think your inlaws are interested. Speaking from experience, when I was pregnant I was very emotional and easily hurt/upset/angry at things that wouldn't normally bother me. Hormones do crazy things to an expectant mommy.
I'm an American and living in the states I had showers (none of which I threw myself----I never would have) but if that's not what's done in Ireland (and clearly it's not) then skip it. I wouldn't say it's an "American Tradition" ie 4th of July etc...just more a nice practice but hardly worth getting worked up over. Maybe you can have a belated shower with your family and friends next time you go home. It's almost better to get the clothes etc... when the baby is older and you need things for an older child.
To be fair to the others here that have taken their time to reply and disagreed with you, please re read the last sentence you write in your quote above.
Good luck to you and your baby!

trillianv

Yes, I am throwing this party, but it is being hosted at a friend's house and she is doing the decorating, food etc. SO in actuality I am only sending out the invites and organizing....Does this make it more ok???

TBH I really don't care about someone being offended or thinking it is "cheeky". I have my friends here and my husband's extended family and they are excited over something a bit different. I have actually had quite a bit of interest over this shower and how to throw one.

I think more of my point in the original post, which has now gotten lost, is that I was hurt that my in-laws are so blase about the whole thing when I go out of my way to do nice things for them. OK obviously I knew most people would see it as a begging for gifts or a way to make someone obliged to feel they have to get a gift, but in all honesty those people will make their excuses not to come.

In my OP I asked that despite it being not the norm, was I right in doing this, in respect of the fact that my in-laws are so completely not interested in the whole pregnancy. I am not being defensive and yes I did feel some of the responses were a bit hostile....that is my opinion just as you all have yours on what I am doing.

Blush_01

trillianv wrote:

Thanks for the replies but I am having a shower. I am American and I do not need to make excuses for my nationality nor my traditions. If someone is invited and they don't want to buy me a gift...then don't or if they think badly of me for wanting something from my own culture while I am thousands of miles from home well then I guess they are not really a friend. They won't be turned away at the door nor thought worse of....And no this shower will not be any less since my family cannot be here as I will invite my husband's family and all my Irish friends.

Is it not cheeky then to throw yourself a "house-warming party"? Because to the last 2 I went it was quite the norm to get many gifts at this party.

The person didn't throw the house warming party before they had the house, now did they? If you want to have a pre-baby day, do so, but calling it a shower will cause offence or paint you in an unnecessarily unflattering and greedy/cheeky light. You can do the exact same thing, just don't call it a shower. Shower = gifts in most people's minds. There's no point in putting the cart before the horse. Also, at the post-baby celebration (party, christening, whatever) the celebration of the new baby's arrival is about introducing it to its new community rather than gifts. You'll have plenty of willing babysitters all day, so you can chill, relax and have a few minutes in grown-up company. At any christening or baby-party I've ever been to, there have been queues of people waiting to hold the baby while the mother is supported by her circle of family and friends, congratulating both her and her partner on the baby's arrival and allowing them to have some craic with family and friends.

As has already been mentioned, your friends probably agree that it's a good idea because they know a)you're far from home, b) you're hormonal and c) they want you to be happy more than they want to upset you by disagreeing with something that's completely unheard of here but that you obviously are dead set on doing. We're not all disagreeing with you for the fun of it, especially in light of the hostility with which you've been replying. We're trying to make things easier for you because you asked for advice.

What has been proposed in holding a party without the name "baby shower" is a compromise. You disrespected our responses and deemed them anti-American when they were merely suggestions of how to bridge both cultures and make things easier for everyone without you looking like a money (or gift) grubbing hustler in the process. Patently, you are either lying to us about not wanting presents, are anti-Irish or are anti-compromise. Take your pick. The main point is, you're throwing this party yourself. If someone else was throwing you a party/shower, then it would be different. By throwing it yourself (since nobody else is) you look like you're only in it for something and when nobody else planned it for you, you wanted what you could get through it so badly that you did it yourself.

Plus, if your friend is only throwing a party for the money she'll get, then she's not someone I'd like to count within my group of friends. I would never give someone I know money as a gift, it's utterly impersonal. Even gift vouchers for the person's favourite shop show a modicum of thought, but they're as bad as cash. Ruthlessness is not something to be cherished within someone.

trillianv

Blush_01 wrote:

The person didn't throw the house warming party before they had the house, now did they? If you want to have a pre-baby day, do so, but calling it a shower will cause offence or paint you in an unnecessarily unflattering and greedy/cheeky light. You can do the exact same thing, just don't call it a shower. Shower = gifts in most people's minds. There's no point in putting the cart before the horse. Also, at the post-baby celebration (party, christening, whatever) the celebration of the new baby's arrival is about introducing it to its new community rather than gifts. You'll have plenty of willing babysitters all day, so you can chill, relax and have a few minutes in grown-up company. At any christening or baby-party I've ever been to, there have been queues of people waiting to hold the baby while the mother is supported by her circle of family and friends, congratulating both her and her partner on the baby's arrival and allowing them to have some craic with family and friends.

As previously advised, we will not be having a christening or any other post-baby celebration. TBH I can't think there are too many new parents out there that would really be up to having a party a month or so after having a child.

Blush_01 wrote:

As has already been mentioned, your friends probably agree that it's a good idea because they know a)you're far from home, b) you're hormonal and c) they want you to be happy more than they want to upset you by disagreeing with something that's completely unheard of here but that you obviously are dead set on doing. We're not all disagreeing with you for the fun of it, especially in light of the hostility with which you've been replying. We're trying to make things easier for you because you asked for advice.

Thank you for your opinion, but the friends I have are mature adults who do not patrionize me, "hormonal" or not.

Blush_01 wrote:

What has been proposed in holding a party without the name "baby shower" is a compromise. You disrespected our responses and deemed them anti-American when they were merely suggestions of how to bridge both cultures and make things easier for everyone without you looking like a money (or gift) grubbing hustler in the process. Patently, you are either lying to us about not wanting presents, are anti-Irish or are anti-compromise. Take your pick. The main point is, you're throwing this party yourself. If someone else was throwing you a party/shower, then it would be different. By throwing it yourself (since nobody else is) you look like you're only in it for something and when nobody else planned it for you, you wanted what you could get through it so badly that you did it yourself.

I am so Anti-Irish that I have married one and am having a half-Irish baby. I can see where you are coming from on that one. I also make it a habit to lie habitually. I am not actually even having a baby only just put on a little weight and needed an excuse

BTW I don't feel that my answers have been hostile. I am sorry you feel this way. I think being called an "anti-irish" lying hustler is a bit hostile so pardon me if I don't really dwell too long on your advice. Thanks though!

I would just like to end this with I am not responding any further, but I do thank you for your advice. No, you did not agree with me and that is ok as that is the brilliance of these forums. All I am saying here is that maybe sometimes it's ok to open your minds to a different tradition if you are all wanting to be a part of the "international" scene. And as previously said, this tradition is not just American but done in many countries.

Sangre

This thread has actually made me laugh. Every single reply was articulate and well thought out, suggesting a compromise to leave everyone happy by incorporating aspects from both cultures.

Then the OP brands them anti-american and hostile. Not to mention being down right condescending in her last reply.

Rofl!

Chinafoot

trillianv wrote:

As previously advised, we will not be having a christening or any other post-baby celebration. TBH I can't think there are too many new parents out there that would really be up to having a party a month or so after having a child.

Which is why christenings/parties are normally held 3 months+ after the birth.

trillianv wrote:

All I am saying here is that maybe sometimes it's ok to open your minds to a different tradition if you are all wanting to be a part of the "international" scene. And as previously said, this tradition is not just American but done in many countries.

"wanting to be part of the international scene"....rofl

Moral of the story lady: Don't ask for advice you can't accept.

Hagar

Bambi wrote:

fordeluvvinhonorajayzuz :rolleyes:

That's the word I was looking for. Thanks.
Why don't we just call all our children Coca Cola McDonald and be done with it?

JC 2K3

OP, you clearly want the presents. Otherwise you wouldn't be so stubborn as to what you call the party.

simu

Oh, go on and have the shower. I really don't see what the fuss is about and if people get odd about it, that's their problem! I mean, going out and buying a few babygros or something as a present isn't going to break anyone's bank balance, is it?

And have fun!

dbnavan

OK I will end my participation in this thread by saying if this is an American Tradition, which it is, and the OP, is American which she is. Then she should go ahead and have her day. I am sure the Americans in New York, wondered WTF ex pats where doing when they decided to march down Manhatten to celebrate Patricks Day when the 'rest' of America was not Irish.

Go ahead enjoy your day and dont mind all the personal attacks, there have also been immature attacks on me in this thread that I cant even be ar$ed to reply to.

dbnavan

sinecurea wrote:

OP, I'm sure you don't invite your friends around to celebrate thanksgiving, so you probably shouldn't do the same for a baby shower.

My wife is American and we had a lovely big turkey and all the irish family around last November