Ireland has best quality of life in world...

jesus_thats_gre

Endurance Man wrote:

Its ignorance is what it is!

In my best Micheal Jackson voice.. It's ignorant.

HelterSkelter

FillSpectre wrote:

...Road deaths are 90% the fault of the person driving...

Do you have statistics on this MorningStar? Please back it up.

humanji

I'm just happy that nobody's argued my Turbridy point. A warm fuzzy feeling has come over me.

HelterSkelter

HelterSkelter wrote:

Do you have statistics on this MorningStar? Please back it up.

I'll save you the bother, just found it in the NRA record from 2004, 88%. But do you think it is 100% the responsibility of the driver who made the error, or does the Government have to take responsibility for the lack of driver education and training in this country? The only decent driving course in the country had to be introduced by a private motor insurance company (Ignition course). The Government should be pushing this kind of thing. The current driving test, more of a test of your acting skills for 20 mins (which a lot of people still manage to fail!) is a farce

DaveMcG

DaveMcG wrote:

Do FF pay you to make these threads...?

Yeah, they pay me and the Economist to come up with this stuff.

Personally, I'd rather have no job, a beard, a mangy dog on a string and sell 'The Socialist Worker' preaching that the sky really IS falling in, but the money is just so darn good...;)

jomanji

jomanji wrote:

I'm just happy that nobody's argued my Turbridy point. A warm fuzzy feeling has come over me.

It's the only point on the thread that's inarguable...

Dyr

FillSpectre wrote:

JUst try and play a computer game like Civilisation and you might get the concept of how a balacend economy and country can be created and how 10 years of economic growth can't fix years of neglect.

quote of the month lol

FillSpectre

Bambi wrote:

quote of the month lol

You have to bring down to a level everybody can understand.:D

The laziest hack job from jounalists is when they say "now we have money" and "we are one of the riches countries so why don't we have...". I am now economics wizz but some of this is common sense that people ignore. Comparing the London underground to the DART is nonsense yet people do it and complain. Economies of scale and years of neglect have noticable effects.

mysterious

If the title of this thread were branded with sarcasm as funny.. I STILL wouldn't find it funny.


IMO I don't think quality of life here is the best. how can it be? We are probably still the only first world country with

Potholes on our roads
Shambles I mean shambles of a health service
Transport system is taking 20 years to build and won't be finished till 2009, break sweat:rolleyes:

We are still dumping in landfills ALL over the country, pollution is a disgrace considering we are on of the most sparsly populated place, not affected by acid rain, not heavily urbanised like other EU states

Can't afford to buy a 3 bedroomed house in Dublin?

The cost of living is now the highest or one of the highest in the world

Inflation is higher than the EU average.

how can this related to the best quality of life

We are still well behind than most countries in terms of Life expectancy

Horrible weather.
S
till the lowest houses per 1,000 in Europe
One of the highest Debt when working out the maths

Still one of the lowest cars per 1,000 in Europe although that is changing

People are working harder,longer hours and in fact we are working statistically higher than most EU countries.

I'm sure I can name so many more points. Maybe our rich culture lol.... good food and our array of cafes.... a load of barney, we are nation that still revolve around the pub, nothing there about high quality of life. A survey like the tiltled thread was definatly done in a pub.

We are so far behind in so many ways to be given this title. Yes there is more money around but there is still a large gap between the rich and the poor and it's getting wider. We are becoming more greedy as a nation. Materialism is the false factor that make us "happy" these days.

THIS is my final and most profound point they say Ireland are the most happiest bunch to in the world, give me a break:eek: :rolleyes: we say that after having 10 pints of lager. We are a bunch of hypercrites. if I did a survey even though I'm up to my eyeballs in debt let's say I would still give myself a 10/10 for being a very happy person, it looks well on paper. It's just a load of cock for more multinationals come here. I can even hear the echo of someone saying Ireland has the highest quality of life... jeez....

. The only thing that has made any difference to the wellbeing of the country is A. independance and B. The celtic tiger. nothing more nothing less.




Now what does it mean that Ireland has the best quality of life?

mysterious

Bambi wrote:

quote of the month lol

lol Yep if this is the engine of our Economy then I'm all up for it being qoute of the year award.

mysterious

mysterious wrote:

IMO I don't think quality of life here is the best. how can it be? We are probably still the only first world country with

Potholes on our roads

Just ahd to stop here. Is this serious? Clearly a person who has never been in downtown Manhattan...now THEY have bad roads and potholes. Incidentally New Yorkers also give out about their health system, the filth, pollution, transport in rush hours, the cost of apartments, the cold in winter and the heat in summer etc.

Of course that's not to say downtown Manhattan is not the epitome of the First World, but just that people everywhere will moan when they don't know how good things are.

mysterious

Deleted User wrote:

Just ahd to stop here. Is this serious? Clearly a person who has never been in downtown Manhattan...now THEY have bad roads and potholes. Incidentally New Yorkers also give out about their health system, the filth, pollution, transport in rush hours, the cost of apartments, the cold in winter and the heat in summer etc.

Of course that's not to say downtown Manhattan is not the epitome of the First World, but just that people everywhere will moan when they don't know how good things are.

Clearly.:D I have..... more people and more roads and more cars, of course your going to see them, Manhatten has probably the most densiest network of roads in the world. we have ones here that we fall into ffs. on our main roads, still takes fecking years for the M50 and port Tunnel to finish. rant over and out.

mysterious

mysterious wrote:

Manhattan has probably the most densiest network of roads in the world.

Take a European country of similar size and population then. You ever tried the roads in Croatia? They dont even have a rail network along hundreds of miles of coast, and a two lane winding road between Split and Dubrovnik, a distance of about 200 miles, between two major cities. Our network is light years ahead.

mysterious

mysterious wrote:

If the title of this thread were branded with sarcasm as funny.. I STILL wouldn't find it funny.


IMO I don't think quality of life here is the best. how can it be? We are probably still the only first world country with

Potholes on our roads
Shambles I mean shambles of a health service
Transport system is taking 20 years to build and won't be finished till 2009, break sweat:rolleyes:

We are still dumping in landfills ALL over the country, pollution is a disgrace considering we are on of the most sparsly populated place, not affected by acid rain, not heavily urbanised like other EU states

Can't afford to buy a 3 bedroomed house in Dublin?

The cost of living is now the highest or one of the highest in the world

Inflation is higher than the EU average.

how can this related to the best quality of life

We are still well behind than most countries in terms of Life expectancy

Horrible weather.
S
till the lowest houses per 1,000 in Europe
One of the highest Debt when working out the maths

Still one of the lowest cars per 1,000 in Europe although that is changing

People are working harder,longer hours and in fact we are working statistically higher than most EU countries.

I'm sure I can name so many more points. Maybe our rich culture lol.... good food and our array of cafes.... a load of barney, we are nation that still revolve around the pub, nothing there about high quality of life. A survey like the tiltled thread was definatly done in a pub.

We are so far behind in so many ways to be given this title. Yes there is more money around but there is still a large gap between the rich and the poor and it's getting wider. We are becoming more greedy as a nation. Materialism is the false factor that make us "happy" these days.

THIS is my final and most profound point they say Ireland are the most happiest bunch to in the world, give me a break:eek: :rolleyes: we say that after having 10 pints of lager. We are a bunch of hypercrites. if I did a survey even though I'm up to my eyeballs in debt let's say I would still give myself a 10/10 for being a very happy person, it looks well on paper. It's just a load of cock for more multinationals come here. I can even hear the echo of someone saying Ireland has the highest quality of life... jeez....

. The only thing that has made any difference to the wellbeing of the country is A. independance and B. The celtic tiger. nothing more nothing less.




Now what does it mean that Ireland has the best quality of life?

Great post. my sentiments exactly.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote:

Take a European country of similar size and population then. You ever tried the roads in Croatia? They dont even have a rail network along hundreds of miles of coast, and a two lane winding road between Split and Dubrovnik, a distance of about 200 miles, between two major cities. Our network is light years ahead.

Croatia? You mean you didn't notice the war that occured there for four years? :rolleyes:

kizzyr

As I pointed out in my post the country we live in today is less than 100 years old and it is only in the last 10 years or so that there has been any kind of economy worth talking about so when you consider that we aren't doing too badly. Also for all those that complain about the government who keeps re electing them? Who bottles it when it comes to demanding answers? Who can't even be arsed to vote when they are given the opportunity to do so, an opportunity I might add that many died for. People in this country are just great at blaming the infamous "them" for all of our problems and then head off to the pub to drown their sorrows in a pint or 10:rolleyes: I've said it before until we as a nation of people start demanding answers and expect postivie action and progress from our local authorities, TDs, government and civil service then NOTHING in this country will change. Yes there are many things that need improving immediately but when a TD can get away with getting drunk and driving home on the wrong side of a major road and still retain his seat then we haven't a hope and no one to blame but ourselves. Governments deliver what is expected of them and this one has had SFA expected of it and that is what it has and will continue to deliver. So if you want changes expect and demand more from the people you pay handsomely to do it.

FranknFurter

Vegeta wrote:

I am sure every debate in the Dail on what was wrong with health care in Ireland someone shouts, "why bother improve it Africa is worse"

Funny cos its true, they pretty much *do* justify everything by comparison.

b

abetarrush

Nah, its more like, I'm hungry, lets eat



ah irelands ok as long as ye carry mace or a knife, never get sick, and dont buy anything


Its mad the way years ago the USA was so cool compared t Ireland, n no we p|ss on the USA!

zuma

kizzyr wrote:

As I pointed out in my post the country we live in today is less than 100 years old and it is only in the last 10 years or so that there has been any kind of economy worth talking about so when you consider that we aren't doing too badly. Also for all those that complain about the government who keeps re electing them? Who bottles it when it comes to demanding answers? Who can't even be arsed to vote when they are given the opportunity to do so, an opportunity I might add that many died for. People in this country are just great at blaming the infamous "them" for all of our problems and then head off to the pub to drown their sorrows in a pint or 10:rolleyes: I've said it before until we as a nation of people start demanding answers and expect postivie action and progress from our local authorities, TDs, government and civil service then NOTHING in this country will change. Yes there are many things that need improving immediately but when a TD can get away with getting drunk and driving home on the wrong side of a major road and still retain his seat then we haven't a hope and no one to blame but ourselves. Governments deliver what is expected of them and this one has had SFA expected of it and that is what it has and will continue to deliver. So if you want changes expect and demand more from the people you pay handsomely to do it.

Please stop saying we are only 100 years old and that if we were an older country we would have these problems sorted out long ago......Norway/Australia!!!

humanji

kizzyr wrote:

Also for all those that complain about the government who keeps re electing them? Who bottles it when it comes to demanding answers? Who can't even be arsed to vote when they are given the opportunity to do so, an opportunity I might add that many died for. People in this country are just great at blaming the infamous "them" for all of our problems and then head off to the pub to drown their sorrows in a pint or 10:rolleyes:

Just because people point out Irelands problems, doesn't mean they are doing nothing about them!

FillSpectre

zuma wrote:

Please stop saying we are only 100 years old and that if we were an older country we would have these problems sorted out long ago......Norway/Australia!!!

Norway is a lot older and was in an agreed union as opposed to occupied with attempted genocide of the people.

Australia had no inherited problems.

Irealnd lost huge portions of its population and I am not sure we have even got back to the levels we had. Civil war and mass unemployment.

Spain hasn't recovered from it's civil war entirely. Former Soviet countries are having many such problems we had at the start.

Decades of neglect don't get sorted out in one decade.

Battlejuice

FillSpectre wrote:

Decades of neglect don't get sorted out in one decade.

My thoughts exactly.
We've only had this 'boom' this last decade and things are catching up rapidly. The whole country's infrastructure is under construction (which yields another hoard of moaners), but eventually this will have to pay off.
Our health system is a disaster but this is being addressed and the politicians are being put under pressure to perform by the public.
We also have a huge immigrant community that have arrived almost overnight and, from what I can see, there is little or no tension. Compare that to first world model countries (for those who relish comparisons), such as France or Germany where their migrant communities have been ghettoised since they arrived.
As for crime, Ireland's is practically non-existant relative to the rest of Europe.
If people choose to get wasted on their nights out that's their choice and not because there's no alternative.
Ireland's a great place to live and it's getting better all the time.

I wouldn't consider Ireland to be any more dangerous that most European countries, and its been rare that I've felt uneasy late at night. With the exception of the leniancy towards crinimals, and sentencing I don't really have any issues regarding Ireland in that manner.

Ireland has been recovering for decades for the bad judgements of previous governments, and the general economic disadvantage that we suffered in our early years. Thats a given, and I doubt too many people could argue against it. Our infrastructure has always been a bit of a joke, and that is indeed improving (Although there are prime examples of how building that infrastructure indicates how little Ireland has changed). Services are also improving and we're seeing a general improvement across the board in governmental departments.

There has been alot of improvement. There are still many aspects of Irish culture that continue to hinder us though.

However, This thread describes Ireland as having the best quality of life. Somehow I doubt that, considering what people need to pay to achieve that level of quality. I live a good life but for that I have very little disposable income available to me after expenses. To achieve the same quality of life in a number of other european countries would cost less. (I know this from first hand experience, btw)

In Ireland you can indeed have a very good standard of life. If you're willing to pay for it. And the Irish people are paying for it. Whether it be the taxes we pay, the high prices we pay for luxuries or even normal day-to-day goods, or the price we pay for cars, we pay extra at every step for the way we want to live.

The problem with this poll is that it doesn't take into account peoples personal financial potential. Whether they have what they have without debt, or whether they're mortgaged to the hilt. What happens when bank interest rates increase, or mortgage repayment amounts are increased? Will peoples quality of life decrease as they find themselves unable to provide for themselves in the manner they can today?

Personally I think Irelands current level of life is false because so many people are living beyond their means, and the future doesn't look all that rosey....