Batman or Superman - who's better?

Trode

Dragan wrote:

Funny because you say this as if it is a bad thing. Thats the hole point of Batman, is that he is a fu*king psycho and it is a mighty thin line between him and the bad guys.

Superman is a chump, 99% of the time there is no risk to him at all. It's always other people with the lives on the line. At least Batman risks death.

For me it was all summed up with The Death and the Life of Superman.

As Supermans funeral procession a guy tried to rob someone, Batman caught him and tied him up and hung him off a building, as he was leaving he said "Your lucky this is His town, if we were in Gotham I'd just kill you but while i'm here i'll do things his way."

Batman had the nuts to say "Fu*k this" to the moral compass and just do what needed doing. All Superman ever did was feed the prison systems. Batman would just cut you up!

Batman never actually kills though(at least the modern version). He has a strict code against it. He just beats criminals up before tying them up and handing them over to the police and the prison system. Not having read it, I'd say that issue he was either bluffing or upset enough to think he actually might.

FillSpectre

Trode wrote:

Batman never actually kills though(at least the modern version). He has a strict code against it. He just beats criminals up before tying them up and handing them over to the police and the prison system. Not having read it, I'd say that issue he was either bluffing or upset enough to think he actually might.

Batman has killed Joker a few times. There is a lot of different modern takes on Batman. Batman uses fear so people are meant to beleive he has killed and most certainly will. There isn't a strict story about most comic book characters.

Batman is a lot more complex the Superman but the Smallville story has Superman as a more troubled soul and so to is the new movie apparently. Bruce Wayne is cooler than Clark Kent and the Batman is also cooler than Superman. Superman has cool powers and probably more well rounded so I'd rather be him then the troubled soul that is the Batman. Which is more intersting to read revelations or the letters to who ever?

ixoy

Batman, for all the reasons listed previously. As to him killing... I thought he didn't do that? I seem to recall he had the intention of killing the Joker for him killing Robin but that's about it? Or is this in some alternate universe where he goes completely bat-sh1t?

Surrender

BrenC wrote:

In the Dark Knight Returns, Batman beat Superman

True. The Superman comics do nothing for me (barring Red Son maybe) whereas Batman is a complicated individual with ethical issues not some hillbilly that fell out of the sky

Dragan

I suggest you all read "The Killing Joke", one of the best portrayals of the Bat ever.

Or the one where Bane snaps his spine...can't remember what that one was called though.

As for Batman killing, yeah, in some strains he did it.

Dragan

Sleepy wrote:

Ooh, gotta get my hands on a copy of that...

It's a fantastic read! Well worth tracking down!

Earthhorse

I thought that whenever Batman kills it normally ends up being a robot or a clone or a republican and not really counting?

the Shades

Nope killing like sex is something Batman is forbidden to do.

Sleepy

Where do you get these rules the_Shades? Are they published on-line anywhere?

RedPlanet

don't be silly, the answer is obviously Superman.
Sure he can just fly around the globe so fast that it'd turn the other way and roll back time itself. Could go back and find Batman when he was just a little punk and squeeze the life right out of him.
Of course he holds back.

Besides Batman hangs out with that gay Robin kid, gotta wonder about how cool is that.

aidan_walsh

Dragan wrote:

I suggest you all read "The Killing Joke", one of the best portrayals of the Bat ever.

Or the one where Bane snaps his spine...can't remember what that one was called though.

As for Batman killing, yeah, in some strains he did it.

Knightfall.

the_Shades wrote:

Nope killing like sex is something Batman is forbidden to do.

Killing, yes - Batman has himself quoted numerous times about this. The sex one I have never heard of before, though.

uncle ernie

Dudess wrote:

Clark Kent is everyman. He has the same weaknesses as you or I. And he's not ashamed to show them. .

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he does in his bollix!he's still the man of steel whether he's wearing a cape or a tin of fruit. and even a middle aged batman gave him a hidin' in the dark night returns...so yeah spiderman

Mr.Nice Guy

Wonder Woman could beat up Batman for crying out loud. Superman is way better.

kdevitt

aidan_walsh wrote:

Knightfall.


Killing, yes - Batman has himself quoted numerous times about this. The sex one I have never heard of before, though.

Bruce Wayne fathered a child with Talia did he not???

Dudess

uncle ernie wrote:

he does in his bollix!he's still the man of steel whether he's wearing a cape or a tin of fruit. and even a middle aged batman gave him a hidin' in the dark night returns...so yeah spiderman

Tee hee hee! A stoner quote if ever there was one.

Bazkaz

i think it would depend on the situation. for example if one bumped into the other in pub and a fight started then i think that superman would win (thrown into the sun thing) but if it was like a sky sports event then batman would have time to stock up his utility belt to the max, hell with his cash he could have a krptonite batsuit made where would the man of steel be then?

J.R.HARTLEY

two different heroes for two different personality types, which is better lemon or lime, same pointless question.

Dudess

Ah, at the end of the day, they're still two superheroes.

J.R.HARTLEY

if you think everyone should like the same superhero and do the same thing your version of this world would be as boring as hell.

Silverfish

Batman.

Batman Batman Batman.

Batman?

Batman.

That is all.

Doctor DooM

Impossible question to answer. Define "better."

Superman was the first superhero. Batman was created as an attempt to generate more revenue. Does that make Superman "better?"

I'd rather read a Batman comic over a Superman anyday. For me he is the more interesting character.

In a straight out fight of course Superman would win. But then he would against 99% of comic book characters. This might make you think this makes him better- unless you've actually spent money on a comic book which is completely unitneresting because of the fact.

That said, one of the biggest comic fan stereotypes is the batman fan who, when this question is raised, always says "batman would find a way." Thats just lazy.

Personally I go for Batman as a better character... One of my fave batman moments being when Nightwing, who was the first Robin, looses the plot with him and starts swinging wildly trying to deck him, Batman simply dodges the punches, saying nothing, until Nightwing shatters a case containing the costume of the second Robin, who died taking Nightwing's place. Which hits Nightwing far harder in the heart than a punch could.

He uses psychology to beat people as well as brawn. He uses any resouce he can get his hands on. He is desperately lonely so he creates a family around him in Robin, Nightwing, Alfred, Batgirl and Oracle, and even some would say Superman himself, yet always keeps them at arms distance for fear of losing more of his family. He is a deeply rich character to read a story of.

Superman however always for me has a feeling of being contrived. The dude is so powerful situations have to be manufactured around him to give ihm a challenge.

That said, President Lex was a deadly idea. But in the end, he needed ol Bats to fininsh that arc, anyway.

Looonnng post!!!

Dudess

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

if you think everyone should like the same superhero and do the same thing your version of this world would be as boring as hell.

Aw, screw you!

Dudess

SDooM wrote:

Define "better"

You know, like, more good and stuff...