Psychic & Spiritual Development Circle

stevenmu

Myself, 6th and ODonnell are going to be arranging a Psychic and Spiritual Development Cirlce. We are planning to have this up and running for this September, or October at the latest, so for now this thread is simply to gauge interest in it.

The presice details have not been decided yet but the circle will meet once a week some weekday evening, probably somewhere in Dublin city centre, or somewhere easily reachable from there. There is no need for anyone thinking of joining the circle to already be 'psychic'. Similarly, there is no need for anyone to be particularly 'religious'. It is more about self-development and learning from each other than about any set of shared beliefs. (there is also no need for anyone to be a regular poster, or even a member here on boards)

If you are interested or have any questions, please post here on the thread, or feel free to send me a pm.

6th

Like Steven said, its not just for Boardsies, if you know anyone who might be interested just PM one of us.

Nevyn

I have a list but I have to go get some sleep will post them in the morning and I will be nice and do it after I have had my first cup of coffee

abetarrush

stevenmu wrote:

Myself, 6th and ODonnell are going to be arranging a Psychic and Spiritual Development Cirlce. We are planning to have this up and running for this September, or October at the latest, so for now this thread is simply to gauge interest in it.

The presice details have not been decided yet but the circle will meet once a week some weekday evening, probably somewhere in Dublin city centre, or somewhere easily reachable from there. There is no need for anyone thinking of joining the circle to already be 'psychic'. Similarly, there is no need for anyone to be particularly 'religious'. It is more about self-development and learning from each other than about any set of shared beliefs. (there is also no need for anyone to be a regular poster, or even a member here on boards)

If you are interested or have any questions, please post here on the thread, or feel free to send me a pm.

Hey, I'd be up for it! I was just sayin I'd like to train my psychic abilities

6th

I look forward to this list Thaed.

Abe, you wouldnt be from the Tallaght area would you?
Edit: its ok I just saw your thread in Photography, its not a common surname so i recognised it straight off.

stevenmu

Thanks for replying Abe, I saw your thread on the paranormal forum alright, I'll try to reply to it later if I get a chance.

Dr_Darkness

I would definately be interested in joining your psychic development group as I believe everyone has the potential to some degree including myself, but I would like to develop it more. So count me in.

stevenmu

Thanks for replying Dr Darkness, glad to have you along. Like I said above we won't be organising it for a while yet, but we'll probably have a get together at some point before then for everyone to get to know each other a little and discuss what we all want from the circle. I'll keep you informed.

6th

Like Steven said ... welcome aboard. I sent you an email Dr_Darkness. Ok so its building up nicely.

6th

Would there be any benefit to putting a flyer in House of Astrology once we get a firmer idea for this DC?

odonnell

i think the best bet is to get things established amongst knowns first of all. to put up a flier would be to commit to a gameplan with people expecting to come along to a pre-fabricated product, and you get unknowns. Id be wary of this... i myself am looking to develop as opposed to guide you know? I think it needs assessment...

6th

thats what i meant by firmer idea, I feel there is alot to learn from other people, for all we know people could come along with much more of an idea of whats going on than us. Its about coming together, learning from each other and growing.

I do agree taht we need to have sorted out between us what it is we want from this.

stevenmu

odonnell wrote:

i think the best bet is to get things established amongst knowns first of all. to put up a flier would be to commit to a gameplan with people expecting to come along to a pre-fabricated product, and you get unknowns. Id be wary of this... i myself am looking to develop as opposed to guide you know? I think it needs assessment...

Yep, I agree with this.

Also, we have 6 people already, if we're aiming for 8-10 ish then I don't think we need to be in any rush to get more on board just yet.


(You already have the flier done up haven't you ? )

6th

no i dont actually, i'm not being my usual over enthusiastic self, really want this to work out.

Nevyn

You need a group who know each other even slightly to deveople a level of trust or it willl not work at first.

6th

well i think with the 3 of us starting this we have a good basis so, wont be happening before september i'd imagine, if we rush into it it will only be a waste for everyone.

scorplett

This is quite a nice idea and should be treated as exactley that right now. It also has potential to be very useful to those who use it (which would be both its success and potential failure)
I would congratulate steve, 6th and odonnell for putting themselves out there for something you guys obviousley believe in.
The three of you really need to sit down and put your yoda heads on to begin with. Not with regard to issues like where to have it, what day, how often, what format etc etc, but rather that of protection.
It would not be as appropriate to vet people attending as it might be with some of the situations that I have come across in my psychic development (ie closed groups or tight networks of friends) you need to recognise the negatives of this and find soloutions before they bite you in the ass. It would be very irresponsable to open up inexperianced people psycically only to have a psychic vampire sort or, mind rapists or controllers, astral intruders, fundies of some nature or general misfits come along to disturb things, mot to mention the energy entities and thoughtforms that would be immediatley attracted. (and believe me, from personal experiance, even with precautions these things almost always happen) Needless to say, these sort of events can be totally catastrophic to a person. Also, one of the primary methods to open an individual in this way is through guided meditation and this if done in an incorrect way can also be detrimental to the development of a person spiritually and psychically.
Weekley meetings, while terribly social is way too fast and for many is overload and not enough time to 'take it all in'
I think it might be an idea to go along to some of the already existing groups to see how they do things, talk to their moderators facillitators etc and look deepley at these and other issues that will arise with something like this.
If you deal with the negative and approach this with appropriate thought it can be a very valuable resource to the very people you wish to reach out to and share with.

Best of luck guys

6th

Cheers Scorplet, both myself and steven have done a development course before, ODonnell can mention his previous sexperiences but that up to him.

We are also very lucky to have access to a very experienced person who has offered us help on this, they ran groups like this for a long time so will be able to set us on the right track if needs be.

I believe the weekly format is very important as it sets aside a regular period for meditation and gets the mind into a nice grove.

Thanks for the well wishing, any input is more than welcome.

odonnell

*ahem* .... my.... uh..... my previous SEXPERIENCES? hehe....ill just leave that one well alone man

Sapien

6th wrote:

We are also very lucky to have access to a very experienced person who has offered us help on this, they ran groups like this for a long time so will be able to set us on the right track if needs be.

You got Mysteria!?



Though I am intrigued. Anyone you might name, or describe?

stevenmu

Thanks for the post Scorplett, that expressed very nicely some thoughts that have been forming in my own head. I am very aware that not everyone may be suited to this group (and some may not be suited to any group but I'll just stick with just this one for now). We will be watching out very carefully for anyone we feel doesn't belong in the group, which may be for many different reasons, including their own benefit more so than ours. We do plan on some informal get-togethers before we actually get the group started to get to know each other and talk some things over, so hopefully at that stage we can also try to pre-empt any issues which may arise.





Which actually reminds me, this group is for over 18s only, it's not that we'll be sitting around drinking beer and watching scary movies or anything, it's just that there's various legal and responsibility issues that go along with organising events with minors that we don't really want to get into (I haven't discussed that with the others but I presume they're in agreement).

stormkeeper

Well, you know that I'll make an appearance whenever I am in Ireland anyway... 6th is kinda expecting me to come along

6th

stevenmu wrote:

We do plan on some informal get-togethers before we actually get the group started to get to know each other and talk some things over, so hopefully at that stage we can also try to pre-empt any issues which may arise.

Obviously we are just checking the water now to see what the interest is and get peoples reactions. I dont think we where ever just gonna open it up and say come along before meeting people.

stevenmu wrote:

Which actually reminds me, this group is for over 18s only, it's not that we'll be sitting around drinking beer and watching scary movies or anything, it's just that there's various legal and responsibility issues that go along with organising events with minors that we don't really want to get into (I haven't discussed that with the others but I presume they're in agreement).

Of course, responsibility has to be at the top of the agenda here, its not something to take on lightly. (besides the meeting will be nude ... joke)

6th wrote:

.....ODonnell can mention his previous sexperiences but that up to him.......

My best typo yet .... or did "something" make me type that?!?

stevenmu

Ok .... so, the topic for the first circle meeting will be cleansing

stormkeeper

6th wrote:

My best typo yet .... or did "something" make me type that?!?

Suppose Tantric Sex could be another talk for another session...

Nevyn

stevenmu wrote:

Ok .... so, the topic for the first circle meeting will be cleansing

I think you would be better off doing shielding and grounding tbh.

Oryx

Oh by the way guys, 6th already knows Im in if the times suit. Bi weekly would suit me better tho :rolleyes:

6th

bi=weekly might suit a few people, after this weekend I'm sure there will be a get together of the 3 of us (Steven, Ed & me) to talk it through more.

Nevyn

Thread tidied up to keep it on topic.

stevenmu

Quick of the mark again Thaed


I can see the argument for bi-weekly alright, especially if some people are going to be travelling long distances.

(bi-weekly is every two weeks as opposed to twice a week right ?)

6th

(bi-weekly is every two weeks as opposed to twice a week right ?)[/QUOTE]

had to think about it myself!

Nevyn

Not much point in having a nose for trouble if you don't use it.

If this is to be a development course then how shall the devleopement be measured ?
Are you going to run a battery of tests before and after ?
What skills are you going to look at developing ?

6th

I think the idea of testing might put people off, it is more of a personal development - each at their own pace.

However I wouldnt have a problem with testing though it may be an optional extra.

Things I'd like to look at developing are, psychometry, aura reading, pendalum work, contacting spirit guides and maybe a few other ares but i'm open to try anything.

Would you have any suggestions Thaed? We've plenty of time to look at content.

Nevyn

Psychometry, no problem with that or pendalum work.
Aura reading well that has several dangers to both parties and a whole heap of applictions what ones will be covered ?
Contacting spirit guides this would be to my mind a possible mindfield.

What else ?

stevenmu

Thaedydal wrote:

If this is to be a development course then how shall the devleopement be measured ?
Are you going to run a battery of tests before and after ?
What skills are you going to look at developing ?

First of all I'd use the word group or circle instead of course, I don't see it being one or two people standing up in front of everyone else telling them how to do things (altough we may occasionally try to arrange lectures/workshops, I haven't really thought fully through how or even if that could work). As for testing, I know 6th has mentioned wanting to try out zenner cards before and I do think that as we try things out we should devise ways of measuring our progress, but I don't want it to become too goal orientated (gold stars, grading curves etc). I think any kind of testing would be aimed at people seeing themselves if they are progressing or not.

I have been deliberately vague on what topics we intend to cover, I think we should decide as a group (when we have a group) what interests us and what doesn't. I don't want to rule things definitely in or definitely out. Some of the things I'd be interested in myself would be reading auras, psychometry, general telepathy, remote viewing, precognition, telekinesis, meditation and so on.

The manner in which I think topics should be dealt with, is that the person who introduces a topic should lead a discussion amongst the group on it. Where appropriate we would then devise some excersises related to the topic and see how they go (maybe some 'homework' excersises too). Depending on the topic we may come back to it after a while and try them again and see if there's any.

Nevyn

OK so you are looking for a group of people with a shared intrest to get together and share their experiences and skills and try out what ever ways they use to do such things ?

6th

Thaedydal wrote:

OK so you are looking for a group of people with a shared intrest to get together and share their experiences and skills and try out what ever ways they use to do such things ?

Yes and No, there is no reason why someone with little experience couldnt come along and learn meditation techniques etc. I'm sure there will be people interested who have no idea what psychometry is and want to develope their ability in that way.

There is no prerequisite (spelling?) for people to have an understanding of all the possible topics before coming along.

stevenmu

and in answer to your next question, there would be a lot of advantages to having people with lot's of experience and lot's of skills, and there are also advantages to people being relatively inexperienced. We do have one person we can call upon from time to time when a more experienced hand is required and maybe one or two others we can enlist, no big name TV celebs unfortunatly, but people who have worked a lot with groups before.




(and if you're not carefull you might get conscripted yourself )

6th

Sapien wrote:

You got Mysteria!?



Though I am intrigued. Anyone you might name, or describe?

I'll sit on it for a while ... but it aint Mysteria! (we couldnt afford her )

Nevyn

stevenmu wrote:

(and if you're not carefull you might get conscripted yourself )

hah not bloody likely :P

See I have been watching this thread and the whole concept thinking good idea/bad idea from the very begining.

I do think if you have done a course and have had guidance and will be basing what you are doing off that you should mention who you have worked with and under what system.

It is always good to have a wiser and older head for when thing go screwy which it is in my opinion always happens with these sorts of things.

stormkeeper

6th wrote:

(bi-weekly is every two weeks as opposed to twice a week right ?)

had to think about it myself![/quote]

I thought the term was fortnightly? Shows how much I know, lol


Anyway, it's a shame I'm not over there, or I'd be in regular attendance myself. Like I said though, as I promised 6th, I'd drop by whenever I was in the country (and able).

odonnell

Thaedydal, youre absolutely right.

My personal inclination and involvement in this is basically that I come from a line of spiritualists in the family. Im used to attending this sort of thing from my life in Scotland though, now im in Dub it seems we arent so well catered for so this was basically my wish - to attend a developement circle, which is what spiritualist churches and meetings essentially are. Now, when it comes to the actual 'starting' of a circle, this is when i get a little shaky because that means someone has to be at the forefront, and i dont consider myself a guide, or a tutor as such, therefore i worry that it could be directionless unless we sort out some format, and have a mentor installed at the helm. Who this might be i dont know, id personally go for gordon smith

Couldnt afford him either...

time wise - mark & steven etc know my schedule is very rocky at the mo, so bi weekly would be better id say. This also allows people more time to adjust and to practise. Lets not forget that for some of us, our abilities can be draining, very tiring...

Anyway, ive seen many circles go down the pan because of the idea sounding great but the man or woman at the helm simply has to have more knowledge than the atendants, in order to creat some form of direction, and forward motion amongst everyone. Without this, and with everyone being on an equal footing, itd be kinda like a football team without a manager.

Stuff for the discussion though...

6th

I dont really see the need for "one" person leading it, as mentioned on a thread on Paranormal about DCs having someone chair the meets would suit me as it can be rotated amoug the 3 of us. This allows for if one of us isnt around.

Nevyn

You also so need that some one to be able to say No very clearly and resoundingly on certain matters.

6th

well i know for me thats not a problem, I'm used to organising and doing what it takes.

scorplett

I think it is vitally important, more so than considering content and format and topics etc etc that you three get togeather and draw up some sort of charter that covers ethics and morality, protection and legal matters and possibly a mission statement of sorts and take everything from there.
The ethics of such a group are possibly the most important issue you guys have ahead of you. If you dont get that right and find a way to convey those ethical standards to those who attend then your boarding a sinking ship

stevenmu

Thaedydal wrote:

hah not bloody likely :P

I was expecting that in some kind of giant font, I must be out of tune today

Thaedydal wrote:

See I have been watching this thread and the whole concept thinking good idea/bad idea from the very begining.

I do see where you're coming from, and it's certainly better to have you pointing out potential trouble spots no than for us to run into them totally unprepared later (or worse still to not notice them at all)

Thaedydal wrote:

I do think if you have done a course and have had guidance and will be basing what you are doing off that you should mention who you have worked with and under what system.

I hadn't really been thinking we would be basing it on that, but thinking about it now I suppose it has been an influence on myself and 6th. Not sure if I should name who it was (iirc 6th didn't you ask around about him before the course and he is quiet well respected ?), I could only really describe the system as generic new agey stuff. That's not really doing him justice to be fair, the way he described himself is that he looks at everything and takes out the bits that are common and goes back to look at their roots and origins. As an example when discussing auras he would touch on everything from hinduism, buddhism , shamanic rituals, ancient chinese texts and so on and then we'd move on to practice some kind of simple basic technique that would be pretty non-denomonational new-agey stuff. It was all very thought provoking and neutral (neutral in a very good way if that's not a complete contradiction)

stevenmu

Scorplett wrote:

I think it is vitally important, more so than considering content and format and topics etc etc that you three get togeather and draw up some sort of charter that covers ethics and morality, protection and legal matters and possibly a mission statement of sorts and take everything from there.
The ethics of such a group are possibly the most important issue you guys have ahead of you. If you dont get that right and find a way to convey those ethical standards to those who attend then your boarding a sinking ship

Another good point Scorplett, thanks.

ODonnell did you mention before having disclaimer forms that'd cover the legal end ?

I hadn't really considered laying down a statement covering the ethical/moral side of things, but it's a good idea. I can't help expecting people to view things closely enough to how I do, but I should really know better at this stage.

6th

Mission statement, guidelines and disclaimers are all things we definately need, i can sort that out within reason and we can fine tune thiem to suit us.

Nevyn

stevenmu wrote:

I was expecting that in some kind of giant font, I must be out of tune today

I was thinking about it and in red but really that is just tempting my Gods/fate far to ****ing much.
/me looks about hoping they havn't noticed.

stevenmu wrote:

I hadn't really been thinking we would be basing it on that, but thinking about it now I suppose it has been an influence on myself and 6th. Not sure if I should name who it was (iirc 6th didn't you ask around about him before the course and he is quiet well respected ?), I could only really describe the system as generic new agey stuff. That's not really doing him justice to be fair, the way he described himself is that he looks at everything and takes out the bits that are common and goes back to look at their roots and origins. As an example when discussing auras he would touch on everything from hinduism, buddhism , shamanic rituals, ancient chinese texts and so on and then we'd move on to practice some kind of simple basic technique that would be pretty non-denomonational new-agey stuff. It was all very thought provoking and neutral (neutral in a very good way if that's not a complete contradiction)

All the mores reason to acredit him tbh.

Scorplett's idea of a charter and code of ethics and a clearly lesson plan and meeting structure would to you the world of good.

Also a speak up policy.

6th

ok well all 3 of use have checked this out:
http://www.newagedirectory.com/psi/develop_circle.htm

Very good format, and easy to adapt.

What do you think Thaed?