Ban the Haka, I've bloody had enough...

toomevara

TarfHead wrote:

correction - going by the players that played against Ireland this year, there were approx. 6 cultures involved.

• Maori
• Paheka
• Fiji
• Tonga
• Samoa
• South Africa

I first saw the ABs in Lansdowne Road in 1978 and the haka, in those days, was a quaint piece of theatre. The Pahekas were looking at the rest trying to follow their lead. It was, IIRC, Buck Shelford who got it going as psychological weapon.

Oh christ, now you've gone and done it....I've often bemoaned the sacking of samoa, the trashing of tonga etc... etc... which the kiwis indulge in, and the hugely negative impact this has on the devlopment of rugby in those nations and by extension the development of rugby on a global level. But this is another sacred cow (like the haka) which cannot be debated rationally..and it will never change.....the kiwis will take what they need from these nations regardless....the decline of tonga is especially galling given the proud history of the game there, they were frankly embarrassing against Samoa in the Pacific Nations contest....

And then what of the shameful decision to give the '11 WC to the Kiwis, because as we all know,if theres one country where rugby needs help developing and growing its NZ...i feel ill even thinking of it.....

TiwstaSista

esskay wrote:

i am in NZ at the moment and there have been two stories about the haka in the news in the last week. Firstly, Fiat have an ad with a group of ladies doing the haka promoting some new car. Apparently Fiat consulted someone here and were told it would cause cultural offense to have women doing the haka but went ahead anyway. They were not too impressed here to say the least. Secondly, the ozzies have released an ad for the rugby where they added handbags to the NZ team doing the haka, tis funny as hell. That they weren't too annoyed at. just thought you'd want to know.

Women hakka-ists? I'd hit it.

Crash

I find that a bit bizarre seeing as i've seen a number of documentaries on NZ which feature women partaking in haka's.

crybaby

ive always thought they shouldnt be allowed perform the Haka and quite frankly im a bit sick of everyone being so respectable towards it when its being performed by a bunch of rugby players

Crash

*shrug* the haka is a part of maori culture, and has been performed at weddings and so on - I do however question the fact that when it is essentially a perversion of the idea (i.e. people outside of maori culture performing it purely because of sport) how it can be considered so "sacred" to some of the new lot.

Sangre

&#231 wrote: »

*shrug* the haka is a part of maori culture, and has been performed at weddings and so on -

Will you maori me?

toomevara

Don't want to re-ignite this one but........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/international/5219926.stm

does Connolly have a point..(for the record, I agree with 'im) even though he's probably just being mischievious before the match in classic wallaby style....

prophetnz

oh boo hoo, People see war torn places on the news, reports of people gunning others down, images of death everywhere and this is what he is up in arms about.

RuggieBear

Why are you posting on the rugby forum then...rugby is only a game. If you feel so strongly about war torn places on the news, reports of people gunning others down, images of death everywhere, don't post on the rugby forum...go to humanities or politics.

Personally i think the throat slitting haka is wrong and that the excuses from the kiwi's about it being a misinterpreted maori symbolic act, ring hollow. (perhaps as misinterpreted as BOD's attempt to honour the haka before the first Lions Test ...which had him singled out and attacked)

prophetnz

RuggieBear wrote:

Why are you posting on the rugby forum then...rugby is only a game. If you feel so strongly about war torn places on the news, reports of people gunning others down, images of death everywhere, don't post on the rugby forum...go to humanities or politics.

I dont feel that strongly about war torn places, just pointing out there are far more 'shocking' things been shown on TV than the Haka with an action that looks like throat sliting.

EDIT - im posting on a rugby forum because i injoy playing and watchiong the game of rugby - DUH!

shmaido

yeah like, your so like-DUH! gosh

toomevara

prophetnz wrote:

oh boo hoo, People see war torn places on the news, reports of people gunning others down, images of death everywhere and this is what he is up in arms about.

Thanks for the heart rending lecture on the series of horrors currently stalking mankind, of which I'm sure none of us was remotely aware. We're so lucky to have a Ghandian intellect like yours to point out the shocking inconsequence of our views.....

or...

alternately, back in the real world, the less kind hearted among us could point out, gently, but somewhat exasperatedly, that, this is a rugby forum where, shock!! horror!!! we discuss rugby related issues. if I feel the need to comment on 'war torn places' as you so eloquently put it, I'll visit the appropriate forum. In the meantime ,nothing will change my mind concerning the utter unsuitability and inappropriateness of the Kapo O Pango. it has no place on the rugby field as far as I'm concerned and goes against the fundamentals of rugby culture.

prophetnz

How the hell was that 'heart rending'? Ofcourse you guys know whats going on in the world im just saying Kapo O Pango is such a pee wee issue in the context of influencing our youth.