Biggest Disgrace of the World Cup?

Pigman II

I do get the impression most (if not all) of these reports as to "what Materazzi said" are just pure speculations centering around the entirely different question of "what would you say to ZZ to annoy him?" and as such probably reveal more about dark character of the people who disseminated them than they do of Materazzi.

I'll be interested to hear Zizou's version of events (Materazzi will of course probably go to his grave claiming he said nothing at all of an insulting nature.)

herbieflowers

I'm just surprised that Zidane reacted in the way he did. He was always a volatile talent (remember Saudi Arabia 98?) and I'm sure that opposition players were well aware of this and thus endeavoured to wind him up at any given opportuity. Pplaying at the highest level for so long you'd think he'd be used to it...?

therecklessone

Pigman II wrote:

I'll be interested to hear Zizou's version of events (Materazzi will of course probably go to his grave claiming he said nothing at all of an insulting nature.)

I quote again, for clarity or emphasis:

Materazzi wrote:

I held his shirt for a few seconds, he turned to me, looked at me from top to bottom with utmost arrogance and said: 'If you really want my shirt, I'll give it to you afterwards'. I answered him with an insult.

"It was the type of insults that we've heard before so many times on the pitch, and sometimes we don't even notice it.

"What's sure is that I never called him a terrorist: I am not cultured and I don't even know what an islamic terrorist is. My sole terrorist is her...," added Materazzi, pointing at his sleeping 10-month-old daughter.

"I certainly did not talk about Zidane's mother. For me, mothers are sacred," he added.

Royale with Cheese

PHB wrote:

What's worse?

Diving to win a free kick?

Feigning injury in order to get another player sent off?

How about diving the entire tournament long? I'm not saying Henry shouldn't be lambasted for what he did, but it was very out of character. People saying he was diving the entire tournament long are ridiculous. It's fairly clear to me that to alot of people on this forum that Henry is the footballing antichrist, which they thought before the Puyol incident and have now struck gold with that and I'd say we'll be hearing about it for about 5 years to come.

Pigman II

What I meant by insult was "insult ..... at a level of those currently being thrown around by the rumour mills" eg Terrorist, Son of a Whore etc etc

Even he seems to think that whatever he said wasn't particularily serious. Like I say it'll be interested to see what Zidane claims was said and then see if Materazzi chooses to contradict that version of events.

kinaldo

Royale with Cheese wrote:

How about diving the entire tournament long? I'm not saying Henry shouldn't be lambasted for what he did, but it was very out of character. People saying he was diving the entire tournament long are ridiculous. It's fairly clear to me that to alot of people on this forum that Henry is the footballing antichrist, which they thought before the Puyol incident and have now struck gold with that and I'd say we'll be hearing about it for about 5 years to come.

I've already stated on this forum that I was one of Henry's biggest fans until that Puyol incident. Now I have no time for him.

tred

kinaldo wrote:

I've already stated on this forum that I was one of Henry's biggest fans until that Puyol incident. Now I have no time for him.

Henry fiegned injury to reinfornce the foul by Puyol..i think you will find he crossed his path..technically id say it was a foul but Henry made a big deal of it..

however to compare that to that Jumpin Jack in the Box Ronaldo..who made me sick everytime he touched the ball and everyone in the stadiums. I think the jeering by the crowd evertime he touched the ball was enough for anyone to say who the biggest disgrace was, and for even Lothar Matteheus to say that he lost points over his behaviour in the Rooney incident shows the utter contempt the world fans and journalists had for him. If he could just focus on the game and not the diving he could be such a good player...

kinaldo

tred wrote:

Henry fiegned injury to reinfornce the foul by Puyol..i think you will find he crossed his path..technically id say it was a foul but Henry made a big deal of it..

First off, it was barely even a foul more of a collision. Secondly, by clutching his face he was trying to con the ref into thinking he'd been elbowed in the face, and in the process get Puyol sent off. Henry is quick to moan about refs for anything and everything, so by trying to con a ref himself and then denying he's a cheat afterwards makes him nothing but an hypocrite and worse.

iregk

It was never a foul on Henry. He ran into Puyol for god sake! Puyol was running after a ball, Henry runs into him and dives to the ground clutching his face. For me it was up there with the Rivaldo incident of the 2002 WC and are now both players that I have lost all respect for.

gosplan

The way the cameras cut to Posh spice every time Beckham took a free kick, got substituted or vomited.
This doesn't fall at the feet of the British media or national team as the Beckhams are a global phenomen, one so popular that the german cameramen were instructed to pick her out any time David did anything.
I just really hated that fact that a footballer and his wife could be so successful in diverting the worlds eyes from the game onto their status as celebrities.

tred

iregk wrote:

It was never a foul on Henry. He ran into Puyol for god sake! Puyol was running after a ball, Henry runs into him and dives to the ground clutching his face. For me it was up there with the Rivaldo incident of the 2002 WC and are now both players that I have lost all respect for.

I need to dig out the quote but i am almost sure Puyol agreed with the foul but was dissapointed with henry cluching his face..there is history between those two as well. But there is no comparison between Henry and Ronaldo...
I think the whole atmosphere around both players as they continued into the competition proved that as well..Henry will be dissapointed with what hapepned i am sure.Ronaldo wont..as its just part of his game

Fanny Cradock

kinaldo wrote:

clutching his face he was trying to con the ref into thinking he'd been elbowed in the face, and in the process get Puyol sent off

I'm not going to mention any specific player, but this kind of behaviour should be retrospectively punished by the ruling bodies. I think hefty fines, yellow cards and "dive of the week" (name and shame) kind of thing would sort these guys out soon enough.

It’s an embarrassment to the sport when these guys roll around the pitch screaming for cards to be handed out. It is ruining the game. Unless something is done to stop this nonsense, kids watching the game now will just incorporate into their games, and so it becomes part of the sport at a very early age. No doubt if you were to watch a game of 12 year olds playing they would be attempting to emulate their heroes with theatrical dives around the pitch.

TheMonster

tred wrote:

I need to dig out the quote but i am almost sure Puyol agreed with the foul but was dissapointed with henry cluching his face..there is history between those two as well. But there is no comparison between Henry and Ronaldo...
I think the whole atmosphere around both players as they continued into the competition proved that as well..Henry will be dissapointed with what hapepned i am sure.Ronaldo wont..as its just part of his game

It now appears to be part of his game - he said as much after the CL final.
He had 2 incidents in the world cup - Puyol and the penalty incident. Both were fouls against him but his behaviour in both was unnaceptable.

BolBill

Simaos dive against Mexico was an utter disgrace, how FIFA didnt do him for simulation is a sign that they are cowards.

Roddy23

I need to dig out the quote but i am almost sure Puyol agreed with the foul but was dissapointed with henry cluching his face

Here ye go chief: taken from Tribalfootball -

But Henry hit back: "I know what happened and I never go down easy. I am not a guy who cheats.

"You can ask Puyol whether I cheated. He came up to me afterwards to apologise.

"At the end of the day, Pernia the left- back was going to get the ball easily. I don't know why Puyol left his position and came into me."

PiE

Henry's a spa, played poorly right through the world cup despite his goals.

However Ronaldo has to get it, not only for his actions on the pitch but also for his comments off it. He's pretty much spat in the face of Ferguson and everyone who's helped him at Man Utd over the last year or two. People like him just don't deserve the perks that come with being a professional footballer.

yop

Has to be Zidane, for someone so experienced he should have known better, Ronaldo not far behind him with Figo, Postiga, De Rossi etc etc etc.

As long as Ronaldo plays for United, there is only going to be one person who will top the poll here on boards.abu

Jivin Turkey

TheMonster wrote:

He had 2 incidents in the world cup - Puyol and the penalty incident. Both were fouls against him but his behaviour in both was unnaceptable.

I fail to see what your problem is with the penalty incident, by your own admission it was a foul and all Henry did was fall and claim it? What is the issue there?

To be honest it was an awful tackle by Carvalho, he swang a wild fresh air with his right before kicking Henry with his left. Carvalho is a cynical enough player that you can tell from his immediate panic reaction claiming it was not a penalty, that it definitely was.

Duras

I voted for other... It's quite strange that you didn't put Ronaldinho in the list...

P.S.
Rooney wasn't a disgrace, Rooney was just Rooney....

Royale with Cheese

Duras wrote:

I voted for other... It's quite strange that you didn't put Ronaldinho in the list...

It's disgrace, not disappointment.

Pigman II

Duras wrote:

I voted for other... It's quite strange that you didn't put Ronaldinho in the list...

Why would I put Ronaldinho on the list? Sure he had majorly crap world cup but he wasn't cheating, being dishonourable, violent or generally bringing the game into disrepute like many of the aforementioned.

Chakar

Rooney was totally out of line in the Portugal game at least Ronaldo hid his trangressions Rooney could have left his pay back until after the game back in Manchester and him and the rest of the team could have bullied him, ah he's still going to get it anyway.

Zidane was provoked by Marco Materazzi.I hope Materazzi is severely punished by FIFA.

BOHSBOHS

so falling over a few times is worse than assaulting another player???
lmao are u all bitter england fans or what?

cop yourselves on ... zidane and rooney more of a disgrace than ronaldo

haha the english media blaming ronaldo for england going out and not rooneys stamp on a players genitals, not players having the WAGS with them , their general crapness etc .

zidane always had a vicious streak in him , see previous sendings off ( wc98 stamp for example)

yeh ronaldo had a couple of dives like many other players (del piero with no aussie near him? malouda in the final? henry? ...etc) but hes getting all the stick cos of the english media..
those poor england fans that already had their semi final tickets to see england
decided to boo ronaldo....thats more of a disgrace lol

TheMonster

Jivin Turkey wrote:

I fail to see what your problem is with the penalty incident, by your own admission it was a foul and all Henry did was fall and claim it? What is the issue there?

To be honest it was an awful tackle by Carvalho, he swang a wild fresh air with his right before kicking Henry with his left. Carvalho is a cynical enough player that you can tell from his immediate panic reaction claiming it was not a penalty, that it definitely was.

have you seen the incident - he was fouled - seemed to stop and then threw himself to the ground. the way he went to ground had nothing to do with the contact.
I lost a lot of respect for Henry in the past few months. He was an oppopsition player that I had a lot of time for.

Jivin Turkey

TheMonster wrote:

have you seen the incident - he was fouled - seemed to stop and then threw himself to the ground.

So let me get this straight, he was fouled, and he fell over, perhaps making a bit of a meal of it, but it was a foul none the less.

Since Henry is the first and only player ever to do this I reckon we should set a precedent, you get the oily rags and I'll get the stake.

cournioni

Jivin Turkey wrote:

I fail to see what your problem is with the penalty incident, by your own admission it was a foul and all Henry did was fall and claim it? What is the issue there?

To be honest it was an awful tackle by Carvalho, he swang a wild fresh air with his right before kicking Henry with his left. Carvalho is a cynical enough player that you can tell from his immediate panic reaction claiming it was not a penalty, that it definitely was.

There is equal contact in each of these videos:

Henry's dive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI3uOFu8-WM
Ronaldo's dive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_niH1MXos

By your theory, Ronaldo's dive was a definate penalty also as one could say "what was Willy Sagnol doing with his hands on Ronaldo's back without looking to play the ball?". Now I am not defending Ronaldo here, he definately did try to con the ref. But the fact is so did Henry.

Jivin Turkey

PORNAPSTER wrote:

There is equal contact in each of these videos:

Henry's dive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI3uOFu8-WM
Ronaldo's dive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_niH1MXos

By your theory, Ronaldo's dive was a definate penalty also as one could say "what was Willy Sagnol doing with his hands on Ronaldo's back without looking to play the ball?". Now I am not defending Ronaldo here, he definately did try to con the ref. But the fact is so did Henry.

No this is where we get the United fans (as usual) on the defensive. Not once have I mentioned Ronaldo in any of my posts yet it returns back to a if Henry's not a diver than neither is Ronaldo, or if Ronaldo is so is Henry.

But just to answer you, how can one say there is "equal contact" in each challenge. Did you have a pressure guage out measuring it? They are both completely different challenges.

Fact is if you kick a guy in the shins and miss the ball it's a foul. Two players can jump for a header and both miss it and it not be a foul. Carvalho swung wildly at Henry, he can't (and does not) have any complaints. Sagnol may have leaned somewhat into Ronaldo, but it wasn't a push, and anyone without an axe to grind would call it good defending.

ghost26ie

Jivin Turkey wrote:

No this is where we get the United fans (as usual) on the defensive. Not once have I mentioned Ronaldo in any of my posts yet it returns back to a if Henry's not a diver than neither is Ronaldo, or if Ronaldo is so is Henry.

But just to answer you, how can one say there is "equal contact" in each challenge. Did you have a pressure guage out measuring it? They are both completely different challenges.

Fact is if you kick a guy in the shins and miss the ball it's a foul. Two players can jump for a header and both miss it and it not be a foul. Carvalho swung wildly at Henry, he can't (and does not) have any complaints. Sagnol may have leaned somewhat into Ronaldo, but it wasn't a push, and anyone without an axe to grind would call it good defending.

not going to get into an arsenal/manu thing here, but i agree there is not equal contact in each of those challenge. i believe carvalho was quoted as sayingthat he knew it was a foul, dont have a link for it. as for sagnol, he never looks at the player, his eyes are always on the ball. the contact between hin and ronaldo is minimal. it cant even be called a push.

cournioni

Jivin Turkey wrote:

No this is where we get the United fans (as usual) on the defensive. Not once have I mentioned Ronaldo in any of my posts yet it returns back to a if Henry's not a diver than neither is Ronaldo, or if Ronaldo is so is Henry.

But just to answer you, how can one say there is "equal contact" in each challenge. Did you have a pressure guage out measuring it? They are both completely different challenges.

Fact is if you kick a guy in the shins and miss the ball it's a foul. Two players can jump for a header and both miss it and it not be a foul. Carvalho swung wildly at Henry, he can't (and does not) have any complaints. Sagnol may have leaned somewhat into Ronaldo, but it wasn't a push, and anyone without an axe to grind would call it good defending.

No, I was using Ronaldo as an example. Don't tell me what I am and am not doing. I couldn't honestly give a toss about Ronaldo at this stage as he is putting United's name to shame with his cheating. I was merely comparing the two which I think are quite smiliar as far as "simulation" goes.

Carvalho clipped, yes clipped Henry's shin. He was not "kicked", watch the video (particularly the last replay of it). Clipping someone on the shin is hardly enough to bring down any player. Henry saw that there was going contact and he dived, which in effect won France the game. Ronaldo was no better, he felt Sagnol's hand on his back and threw himself to the ground.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. A dive is a dive.

smackbunnybaby

AnCapaillMor wrote:

i voted for rooney because of the stories of what happened after the whole carvalho\ronaldo debacle. I dislike ronaldo but the way the english media is pointing the finger at ronaldo and claiming poor little rooney trapped by the evil Ronaldo is sickening. i'm surprised the sun has'nt printed his and his familys adresses and phone numbers yet.

totally agree here.rooney stamped first, and deserved to go.
they are always looking for a scapegoat

Jivin Turkey

PORNAPSTER wrote:

No, I was using Ronaldo as an example. Don't tell me what I am and am not doing. I couldn't honestly give a toss about Ronaldo at this stage as he is putting United's name to shame with his cheating. I was merely comparing the two which I think are quite smiliar as far as "simulation" goes.

The two incidents highlighted are not in the slightest bit similar.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Carvalho clipped, yes clipped Henry's shin. He was not "kicked", watch the video (particularly the last replay of it). Clipping someone on the shin is hardly enough to bring down any player. Henry saw that there was going contact and he dived, which in effect won France the game. Ronaldo was no better, he felt Sagnol's hand on his back and threw himself to the ground.

Look at the video you posted, Carvalho made contact with the same part of his foot that you would kick a ball with.

I also don’t have a link, but I also seem to remember Carvalho admitting that he thought it was a penalty after the game. You can also tell that as there is not one protest from Carvalho after the award.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. A dive is a dive.

No difference apart from one Henry did not dive in this incident, he was fouled.
Using this incident to highlight Henry’s “diving” is ludicrous.

TheMonster

Jivin Turkey wrote:

The two incidents highlighted are not in the slightest bit similar.


Look at the video you posted, Carvalho made contact with the same part of his foot that you would kick a ball with.

I also don’t have a link, but I also seem to remember Carvalho admitting that he thought it was a penalty after the game. You can also tell that as there is not one protest from Carvalho after the award.


No difference apart from one Henry did not dive in this incident, he was fouled.
Using this incident to highlight Henry’s “diving” is ludicrous.

He was fouled but still dived - not mutually exclusive. The foul was not enought to warrant the way he went down.

Same with the incident vs Spain - he was fouled but no contact to his face which he was claiming.

Thanx 4 The Fish

H never calimed that there was a contact with his face, he did hold his face but I do not remember him saying anywhere that he was caught in the face. Materazzi held his face after Zidane butted him in the chest, many italians held their face after a tackle in the ankle.

As was already stated, Carvallho, Henry and the Ref, all pros who know what they are talking about said it was a pen. Pornapster and the monster, two guys who chat on a web forum and will never manage a professional team say it was not.

I know who I will listen to.

TheMonster

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

H never calimed that there was a contact with his face, he did hold his face but I do not remember him saying anywhere that he was caught in the face. Materazzi held his face after Zidane butted him in the chest, many italians held their face after a tackle in the ankle.

As was already stated, Carvallho, Henry and the Ref, all pros who know what they are talking about said it was a pen. Pornapster and the monster, two guys who chat on a web forum and will never manage a professional team say it was not.

I know who I will listen to.

Never once said it wasn't a penalty - just that his fall was grossly exaggerated

Royale with Cheese

TheMonster wrote:

Never once said it wasn't a penalty - just that his fall was grossly exaggerated

My god, he's the first player ever to go down under contact. May he burn forever in the fires of hell.

Dustaz

Some things never change on this forum eh?

How anyone can say (no matter WHAT team they support) that henry going down for that penalty is a 'disgrace' is beyond me. Christ, it was a clear penalty. I cant even remember who figo headbutted but where are the calls for that guy to be publicly castigated? It took him about 10 minutes to realise he was softly headbutted and go down clutching his face.

Concentrating solely on the Manu fans, its also pretty funny that ronaldo is now a disgrace whereas his consistant diving in the premiership was what, practice sessions so not as disgraceful?

For me De rossi was probably the biggest disgrace. That and the stadard of refereeing and the lack of any truly classic games:(

PHB

Henry's peno was a definate peno, but he made sure it was by going down theatrically.
It was not the same as Ronaldo's dive.
Ronaldo dived when there was minimal contact that would never get a peno, while Henry dived when there was enough contact to get a peno.
Both dived, but only one was a foul anyway, and the ref did well in both cases.

Also the idea that Henry held his face because he was in pain, not in order to try get Puyol sent off is just laughable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48KxomccYNU&search=Henry%20Puyol

cournioni

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

H never calimed that there was a contact with his face, he did hold his face but I do not remember him saying anywhere that he was caught in the face. Materazzi held his face after Zidane butted him in the chest, many italians held their face after a tackle in the ankle.

In that case Materazzi and the many Italians over exaggerated their "injuries" also. This is the problem that football is facing at the moment, there are at least two players on every team that is diving constantly. That includes Ireland.

As for Dustaz, it has always been disgraceful. We just decided no to discuss it. Did Arsenal fans ever broadcast that Pires, Vieira et all's antics were disgraceful?

dohboy

I would have thought Argentina's carry-on during and after the penalty shoot out vs Germany would have warranted a mention.

Whatever about diving and cheating to win a game, not having the good graces to accept defeat honourably is pretty unsporting.

Seaneh

Has to be Zidane, if he'd hit him in the face with that headbutt Materazzi would have a broken jaw at the monent!

It was assault as was mentioned here and if he'd done it on the street he'd be in court for it, it's not like it's the first time Zizu has done it either!

No matter what Materazzi said Zidane had NO right to attack him like that!

kinaldo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48KxomccYNU

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Iago

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