Materazzi admits to insulting Zidane

godtabh

Note sure if it warrants another thread so merege it if Mods feel they need to.

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Materazzi wrote:

Materazzi, 32, told Gazetta dello Sport: 'I held his shirt for a few seconds only, then he turned to me and talked to me, jeering.

'He looked at me with a huge arrogance and said, `If you really want my shirt I'll give it to you afterwards'. I replied with an insult, that's true.'

Materazzi has not elaborated on what he did say, but one report suggested he responded with: `I'd rather take the shirt off your wife'.

Nalz

he admits to insulting they player, but he denies mentioning the word terrorist. Media dead nuts on getting Zidane's family involved. His wife is mentioned in all reports. We'll never know what was said

godtabh

Trilla wrote:

he admits to insulting they player, but he denies mentioning the word terrorist. Media dead nuts on getting Zidane's family involved. His wife is mentioned in all reports. We'll never know what was said

Zidane's agent said he would talk next week about what was siad.

I reckon the wife thing would be an ok insult but te terrorist thing wouldnt. Still doesnt justify what Zidane did.

People are also talking about punishing Materazzi but how could any one prove what was/wasnt said?

Duras

Matterazi in Action

therecklessone

kearnsr wrote:

People are also talking about punishing Materazzi but how could any one prove what was/wasnt said?

Charge him with bringing the game into disrepute for admitting to the press tha he insulted Zidane?

I dunno...

godtabh

therecklessone wrote:

Charge him with bringing the game into disrepute for admitting to the press tha he insulted Zidane?

I dunno...

Insults are part of the game. If they banned him for that then there wouldnt be a player left to compete in the next world cup if they were all delt the same.

If its racial abuse on the other hand thats a different story

SpAcEd OuT

if thats what he said then he is completely innocent and Zidane is 100per cent responsible, that kind of banter goes in a lot during football, unless it was a racial comment I don't think he should be punished.

The only problem is no matter what Zidane says people will believe it, Materazzi is a rough tackler, make no mistake about it, but how do you know what he said or didn't say, Zidane could lie as well, I mean hes hardly a saint either, hes headbutted a player before, just because he was a great player doesn't mean he will tell the truth

godtabh

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Materazzi is a rough tackler, make no mistake about it, but how do you know what he said or didn't say,

I've seen some of the things Materazzi is capable of doing at first hand. He tackles hard but whats that got to do with whay he might or might not have said?

SpAcEd OuT

kearnsr wrote:

I've seen some of the things Materazzi is capable of doing at first hand. He tackles hard but whats that got to do with whay he might or might not have said?

thats my point

read it in context

The only problem is no matter what Zidane says people will believe it, Materazzi is a rough tackler, make no mistake about it, but how do you know what he said or didn't say, Zidane could lie as well, I mean hes hardly a saint either, hes headbutted a player before, just because he was a great player doesn't mean he will tell the truth

BaZmO*

kearnsr wrote:

Zidane's agent said he would talk next week about what was siad.

I reckon the wife thing would be an ok insult but te terrorist thing wouldnt. Still doesnt justify what Zidane did.

People are also talking about punishing Materazzi but how could any one prove what was/wasnt said?

I would have a bigger problem with someone insulting my wife than with someone calling me a terrorist.

But I suppose from FIFA's point of view they couldn't punish someone for the wife comment.

I think this is a bit of a weird one. If Materazzi said what he is reported to have said about ZZ's wife outside of a football match people would be saying that ZZ was well within his rights to stick him one or at least say that Materazzi brought it on himself. However, because it was done on a football pitch he's supposed to contain himself with people arguing that he is supposed to a professional. It'd make you wonder what people would do if a work mate insulted them like that in the workplace. Doesn't make it right mind you.

I know that it was wrong for ZZ to do what he did but I say fair play to him, proabably because I like him so much as a player.

patmac

Materazzi has not elaborated on what he did say, but one report suggested he responded with: `I'd rather take the shirt off your wife'.

I'd have to agree with him there.;)

cournioni

BaZmO* wrote:

If Materazzi said what he is reported to have said about ZZ's wife outside of a football match people would be saying that ZZ was well within his rights to stick him one or at least say that Materazzi brought it on himself. However, because it was done on a football pitch he's supposed to contain himself with people arguing that he is supposed to a professional. It'd make you wonder what people would do if a work mate insulted them like that in the workplace. Doesn't make it right mind you.

In fairness if Zidane had done that outside of a football match he would be spending the night in a cell.

Just because it is Zidane doesn't mean he should get away with headbutting someone for something they have said, what is that old saying... "sticks and stones".

godtabh

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

thats my point

read it in context

The only problem is no matter what Zidane says people will believe it, Materazzi is a rough tackler, make no mistake about it, but how do you know what he said or didn't say, Zidane could lie as well, I mean hes hardly a saint either, hes headbutted a player before, just because he was a great player doesn't mean he will tell the truth

Sorry I think I read it wrong the first time

Rikand

patmac wrote:

Materazzi has not elaborated on what he did say, but one report suggested he responded with: `I'd rather take the shirt off your wife'.

I'd have to agree with him there.;)

well that would seem much more in context with what was going on. But is Materazzi married ? maybe he doesnt want to say anything more to avoid domestic problems back home

casanova_kid

Wasn't Zidane's mother taken to hospital that day? Maybe Matterazi made a comment about that. With emotions running high(world cup final extra time in Zidane's last ever match), you can definetly understand the headbutt, if not condone it.

ronbyrne2005

http://www.gougoule.com/zidane/

bbbbb

Surely there has to be more to it?
They'd been playing for 100 mins at that stage, had anything happened earlier in the match?
Any history from previous matches? Real/Inter, or from Zidane's time with Juventus?
(didn't Keane wait over 3 years to get back at Haaland?)

ronbyrne2005

http://kamazutra.be/zidane/

Ponster

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

http://kamazutra.be/zidane/

Can we please have at least one thread that doesn't have hosted video clips?

opr

Ponster wrote:

Can we please have at least one thread that doesn't have hosted video clips?

Agree ffs we have all seem them a million times already can people stop posting them.

Chakar

FIFA are going to investigate this incident and if the investigation shows Materazzi did indeed insult Zidane's family based on racial slurs etc. then Italy winning World Cup could actually be declared null and void.Its very serious business.Now nobody is condoning Zidane's headbutting then but if he was indeed provoked severely then it could indeed happen.

therecklessone

Chakar wrote:

FIFA are going to investigate this incident and if the investigation shows Materazzi did indeed insult Zidane's family based on racial slurs etc. then Italy winning World Cup could actually be declared null and void.Its very serious business.Now nobody is condoning Zidane's headbutting then but if he was indeed provoked severely then it could indeed happen.

Don't get hysterical, FIFA will not declare Italy's win null and void if Materazzi is proved to have racially abused Zidane.

SpAcEd OuT

Chakar wrote:

FIFA are going to investigate this incident and if the investigation shows Materazzi did indeed insult Zidane's family based on racial slurs etc. then Italy winning World Cup could actually be declared null and void.Its very serious business.Now nobody is condoning Zidane's headbutting then but if he was indeed provoked severely then it could indeed happen.

lol.

Chakar

Its in the regulations of FIFA its not likely they could declare Italy's WC win void but in theory they possibly could.Alternatively they might strip Materazzi of his WC gold medal.

unkel

Chakar wrote:

FIFA are going to investigate this incident and if the investigation shows Materazzi did indeed insult Zidane's family based on racial slurs etc. then Italy winning World Cup could actually be declared null and void

Yeah, right

iregk

eh eh calm down calm down!!!

There isn't a snowball in hell chance of Italys win being declared null and void so relax on the sensationalism there would ya. Thats like something the sun would have as a headline!!!

cournioni

I couldn't give a toss what Matterazi said to be honest, fact is that he was assaulted by Zidane, an assault which could have landed him in prison if it had been on the street. Will people please take this into account?

Jazzy

beans

Ponster

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Will people please take this into account?

Err, no. Mostly because of comments like:

PORNAPSTER wrote:

I couldn't give a toss what Matterazi said to be honest, fact is that he was assaulted by Zidane, an assault which could have landed him in prison if it had been on the street.

Maybe you couldn't give a toss but most people who are interested in this story would. If Matterazi did say something vile as most people believe then he too should receive some sort of punishment.

I remember thinking that Cantona should have been banned from playing football forever until the exact nature of the person he attcked came to light and I could understand that I'd probably have done the same thing in his place if I had the guts.

godtabh

Chakar wrote:

FIFA are going to investigate this incident and if the investigation shows Materazzi did indeed insult Zidane's family based on racial slurs etc. then Italy winning World Cup could actually be declared null and void.Its very serious business.Now nobody is condoning Zidane's headbutting then but if he was indeed provoked severely then it could indeed happen.

Dont be stupid!

Some one asked me in work that if things had off been reveresed would there so much made of this?

cournioni

Ponster wrote:

Err, no. Mostly because of comments like:



Maybe you couldn't give a toss but most people who are interested in this story would. If Matterazi did say something vile as most people believe then he too should receive some sort of punishment.

I remember thinking that Cantona should have been banned from playing football forever until the exact nature of the person he attcked came to light and I could understand that I'd probably have done the same thing in his place if I had the guts.

The difference there is that Cantona was racially abused, but the fact is that he was not right to do what he did and he was brought to justice for what he did by the court. I am one of Cantona's biggest fans by the way.

Bazmo said that Zidane would have been within his rights to nut Matterazi one for speaking about his wife like that. No he would not have been. If that was the case, we would have headbutts left, right and centre.

tred

PORNAPSTER wrote:

The difference there is that Cantona was racially abused, but the fact is that he was not right to do what he did and he was brought to justice for what he did by the court. I am one of Cantona's biggest fans by the way.

Bazmo said that Zidane would have been within his rights to nut Matterazi one for speaking about his wife like that. No he would not have been. If that was the case, we would have headbutts left, right and centre.

Are you 100 perecent that Zidane wasnt racially abused. In fairness MAtterazi record isnt so clean either, and i recall Shevshenko knocking him a head butt recently as well. I thknk well know for sure after tonight. I think you might find it is actually quiet similar to what happened to cantona..

BaZmO*

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Bazmo said that Zidane would have been within his rights to nut Matterazi one for speaking about his wife like that. No he would not have been. If that was the case, we would have headbutts left, right and centre.

Are you sure that's what I said?

PHB

If that was the case, we would have headbutts left, right and centre.

Darn tutin, it's about time people stopped letting idiots and retards get away with it for a stupidly naieve fear of law and order breaking down because of it.

cournioni

tred wrote:

Are you 100 perecent that Zidane wasnt racially abused.

No I'm not, I was just replying to Bazmo who said it would have been within Zidane's right to headbutt Matterazi for saying something about his wife. I was just replying in regard to that particular scenario.

Zidane still would have been wrong to headbutt Matterazi if he had been racially abused by him, as was Cantona at Selhurst. Having said that I could totally understand why they would have done it if they had been racially abused.

BaZmO*

PORNAPSTER wrote:

No I'm not, I was just replying to Bazmo who said it would have been within Zidane's right to headbutt Matterazi for saying something about his wife. I was just replying in regard to that particular scenario.

Again, are you sure that's what I said?

Ponster

If anyone is still interested in this story, Zidane is appearing at 20H (GMT+1) on French TV for his first interview since the match. Personally I don't think he's going to say much.

And a point that Chakar mentioned earlier...it seems that if Materazzi *was* found to be guilty of racial slurs then article 55 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code declares that Italy *would* lose the cup.

A new provision in the article guarantees that if any player, official or supporter behaving in a discriminatory or contemptuous manner can be attributed to a certain team, three points will automatically be deducted from that team for the first offence. In the case of a second offence, six points will be deducted. In the case of matches played without points being awarded, the side in question will be disqualified.

Now as I copy & paste that I know it's just balls. FIFA would never take the cup away from Italy and rightly-so. But interesting all the same.

marius

kearnsr wrote:

Dont be stupid!

Some one asked me in work that if things had off been reveresed would there so much made of this?

Very good point (grammar aside:D )

If Materazzi had nutted Zidane afer something was said he would have been pilliaried in every paper in the world - there would have been absolutely no investigation into what Zidane had said, people would have pointed at Materazzi's record to show what a violent scumbag he is.....

Zidane has nutted people TWICE before on the pitch - he has a nasty streak in him - I for one am willing to believe Materazzi when he says he did not insult his mother or racially abuse him......at least until someone proves otherwise....

Edit: I personally think Zidane is the best football of his generation by a mile and think that he is an absolute Legend.

cournioni

BaZmO* wrote:

Again, are you sure that's what I said?

Sorry, you said "it would be of the general opinion that he would be in the right to headbutt him". I didn't read it properly, I apologise.

Ronan|Raven

If it was your superhero Keane would you be so annoyed?

bohsman

FIFA have no problem with the racism problem in the Spanish game so they are certainly not going to make a mockery of their showpiece - the World Cup final by stripping Italy of the trophy

evad_lhorg

tbh i think id rather take it off his wife too.

pickarooney

Not sure if anyone saw (bits of) the Zidane interview on Canal+ or TF1 last night, but he basically said Materazzi repeatedly insulted his ma/sister and he didn't regret sticking the head in him, before spouting the usual lip-service drivel about not wanting to influence the poor little innocent kiddies into doing headbutts (unless they slay your oul wan, obviously).

Chakar

http://kamazutra.be/zidane2/

Zidane game.

jobonar

fifa opens investigation into what Materazzi said to Zidane
Materazzi to be investigated

Running Bing

Ronan|Raven wrote:

If it was your superhero Keane would you be so annoyed?

Didnt keane try to break a players leg with a vicious challenge . That was unprovoked and almost ended a players career. Not so much was made of that, but then Keane at least tried to conceal it at the time didnt he;)

Also didnt lee bowyer get a criminal record for starting the fight with dyer at st. james park? Wionder will zidane be done for assault? Ah to be a superstar. Thats the life.