US - Israeli partnership

GreenDoor

I've done a little research .

I've found so many amazing things! People here say that there is powerful Jewish lobby groups in the USA that "donates" millions to the US political parties. That completed the Jigsaw for me.

It's now obvious what is happening. Israel benefits greatly from US aid (http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/). It is therefore in Israels interest that Jewish lobby groups in the US keep donating millions to the US political parties. Now it's clear where these Jewish lobby groups get their money from. They get their money from Israel who in turn make billions in profits for the millions they spend bribing US politicans.

Its that simple. It's a great money making scheme for Israel at the expense of the US taxpayers, the middle East.

LostinBlanch

GreenDoor wrote:

I've done a little research
It's now obvious what is happening. Israel benefits greatly from US aid (http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/). It is therefore in Israels interest that Jewish lobby groups in the US keep donating millions to the US political parties. Now it's clear where these Jewish lobby groups get their money from. They get their money from Israel who in turn make billions in profits for the millions they spend bribing US politicans.

Its that simple. It's a great money making scheme for Israel at the expense of the US taxpayers, the middle East.

Never thought of it like that. it wouldn't surprise me though I'm not saying it's quite like that (or saying it isn't either). But it's definitely an interesting view. I heard on the radio today that Israel gets more US aid per year than the entire continent of Africa! :eek:

अधिनायक

The Corinthian wrote:

This working paper may interest those in this debate:

http://tinyurl.com/rknsm

Also, here's some of the criticisms that were levied against it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/02/AR2006040201039.html?nav=rss_world
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060515/weiss

Very interesting paper - thanks for posting. I had a look at the NYT today and their coverage seems much more balanced than I had expected.

the_syco

GreenDoor wrote:

Why is this? Is the US gone PC mad or is their a large population of Jews living in the US?

A journlist over in the States, a jew, who is also from Isreal, questioned the link, and was called anti-semetic.

New_Departure06

US poll on the crisis:

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/19/mideast.poll/index.html

Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the United States should stay out of the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon, according to a CNN poll conducted and released Wednesday by Opinion Research Corp.

Sixty-five percent of 633 American adults responding to the telephone poll said the United States should not play an active role in attempting to solve the issue.

The margin of sampling error for the poll is plus or minus 4 percentage points. In addition, polls conducted in one day are subject to additional error not found in polls conducted over several days.

Yet respondents were much more closely divided on whether they would favor the presence of U.S. ground troops as part of an international peacekeeping force on the border between Israel and Lebanon.

Forty-five percent said they would favor such a measure, and 42 percent said they would oppose it. Thirteen percent had no opinion.

Respondents were divided on how President Bush has handled the conflict, with 45 percent saying they disapprove and 38 percent saying they approve, a split that falls within the margin of error. But many have yet to make up their minds -- 17 percent said they were unsure.

A majority of respondents said their sympathies in the conflict were with Israel.

Fifty-seven percent said they had more sympathy for Israel, compared with 4 percent who sympathized with Hezbollah, 20 percent who said they did not sympathize with either and another 4 percent who said they sympathize with both. Fifteen percent had no opinion.

Israel's military reaction to the situation has been about right, 35 percent of respondents said. Thirty-one percent said the response went too far. Only 14 percent said Israel has been too restrained militarily, and another 20 percent were unsure.

GreenDoor wrote:

Why is this? Is the US gone PC mad or is their a large population of Jews living in the US?

There are only around 6 or 7 million Jewish Americans in the US (many others have left for Israel) i.e. roughly 2.2% of the population. However they are 9% of TV executives and are prominent in politics and the media etc. so that allows them a powerful platform to represent their views. Add to that the arms-industry which most of Israel's US aid must be spent on, the oil-industry which profits from instability in the Middle East, and the fanatical Christian Zionists of the Religious Right, Zionist funding of politicians and you get a better understand of US policy over the years.

GreenDoor

New_Departure06 wrote:

There are only around 6 or 7 million Jewish Americans in the US (many others have left for Israel) i.e. roughly 2.2% of the population. However they are 9% of TV executives and are prominent in politics and the media etc. so that allows them a powerful platform to represent their views.

Take a look at this [url] http://www.solargeneral.com/library/WhoRulesAmerica.pdf [/url].

I thought it was a myth about Jews controling the media but the evidence says it's fact. This is why nobody can say nothing against Isreal.

biko

OMG ZOG

Interesting link, GreenDoor

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza.

The Corinthian

GreenDoor wrote:

Take a look at this [url] http://www.solargeneral.com/library/WhoRulesAmerica.pdf [/url].

I thought it was a myth about Jews controling the media but the evidence says it's fact. This is why nobody can say nothing against Isreal.

Not to say that the facts contained in that article are not correct, however I would be suspicious of the source. If you check the end of it, you’ll see it’s published by a group called the National Vanguard.

अधिनायक

It claims that Rupert Murdoch's mother is jewish, that the head of the Fox Group, Peter Chernin, is jewish but I can't find any proof of this.

Wikipedia has a page with prominent American jews in business:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_businesspeople
To me this looks like fairly comprehensive control of the media.

Many if not most of the Russain oligarchs are jews.

Jews tend to distinuguish themselves in business and politics and there are three theories as to why this should be so: nature/nurture/conspiracy.

The Corinthian

अधिनाय&#2325 wrote:

It claims that Rupert Murdoch's mother is jewish

I’d actually already heard this rumour by the time I met her at a dinner in Melbourne a few years ago, but decided it would have been impolite to ask

Jews tend to distinuguish themselves in business and politics and there are three theories as to why this should be so: nature/nurture/conspiracy.

All of the above, no doubt. One advantage they’ve had is that they were not fettered by centuries of “eye of the needle” monasticism, which in many respects retarded Christian capitalism. Ironically another advantage is that they were often barred from many traditional professions and even the owning of land, which meant that they were forced to excel in other fields.

Additionally Jews are very clannish in their professional and business dealings, which can have distinct advantages in that a Jew will have a ready-made (unofficial) business association the moment they get into business. Some of this is due to the historical anti-Semitism and ghettoisation of Jews, but some is as a result of their own tradition that they are the ‘chosen people’ - a claim that has ironically always read as Herrenvolk to me.

GreenDoor

The Corinthian wrote:

Additionally Jews are very clannish in their professional and business dealings, which can have distinct advantages in that a Jew will have a ready-made (unofficial) business association the moment they get into business.

They operate in packs. Reading how they put Ted Turner (the 1 non-Jew that had a powerful media position) out of business is a good example of this.

muesli_offire

Originally posted by The Corinthian
‘chosen people’ - a claim that has ironically always read as Herrenvolk to me.

Come on - the jewish community is not the volk! Nazi comparisons are nothing but crasss essentializations and anti-semitisms.
Yes, Israel did pursue a cultural supremacism to the point of suppressing some unsavoury aspects of its own constituency (one might look at the [past] treatment of Yiddish culture at the hands of the 'I'm more more hebrew than you' zionists - censorship, etc.). This is the legacy of Zionism in all its forms - guess what, its elitist!

There may have been a process of militant beourgeoisification, but this is where fascist-state parrallells end as far as I'm concerned.
To historically treat 'the' Jews as a whole you also have to address a long and rich tradition of profoundly secularistic and humanitarianistic cultural investment. The Israeli state is not a paragon of said.

banaman

So if US can arm Israel in illegal why can't Iran or Syria arm Hezbollah? http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8346B4A9-6214-4AAF-A04B-E6B671B01BA7.htm

More pro-Israeli rhetoric ignores the history of Israeli oppression in the region and lays the blame solely with the oppressed. About what you'd expect from Neo-liberals and the religious right.

The Corinthian

muesli_offire wrote:

Come on - the jewish community is not the volk! Nazi comparisons are nothing but crasss essentializations and anti-semitisms.

It’s a perfectly valid comparison; playing the ‘anti-Semitism’ card is just a cheap shot.

Yes, Israel did pursue a cultural supremacism to the point of suppressing some unsavoury aspects of its own constituency (one might look at the [past] treatment of Yiddish culture at the hands of the 'I'm more more hebrew than you' zionists - censorship, etc.). This is the legacy of Zionism in all its forms - guess what, its elitist!

My comparison actually made no reference to Israel; it was actually directed towards the supremacist concept of a ‘Chosen People’ that is interpreted as racial, particularly in Orthodox Judaism. This, of course, does not mean that it the belief of all Jews or even all Israelis, but it certainly has been a distinct theme of the Zionist movement for quite a while now.

I believe that such comparisons are not only valid but also important, because the reality is that the Jews are no different to the Germans or anyone else, and they could very well go down that same brutal road.

There may have been a process of militant beourgeoisification, but this is where fascist-state parrallells end as far as I'm concerned.

I was making an observation about similarities with racialism, not Fascism. Don’t confuse the two.

To historically treat 'the' Jews as a whole you also have to address a long and rich tradition of profoundly secularistic and humanitarianistic cultural investment.

Indeed, but let’s not fall over ourselves with sycophancy.

The Israeli state is not a paragon of said.

I don’t think you understood the comparison.