Music in Islam

metrovelvet

As I already said: ballet, jazz, modern, contemporary, tap, theatrical,

I had a question, not a point.

Hobbes

metrovelvet wrote:

As I already said: ballet, jazz, modern, contemporary, tap, theatrical,

Lets see..

Ballet - Azita Sahebjam. Famous Muslim ballet teacher.

Jazz - There is Jazz in Muslim society, actually John Coltrane is a Muslim.

Modern and contemporary music there are also muslims.

I can't see how Tap is banned either tbh, likewise with theatrical dance.

I think this is the point you tried to make.
"How sad that some people miss out on what the human body can do and express where language fails."

Which is incorrect.

metrovelvet

I was talking about dance, not musicians.

As far as dance you mention ballet. No mention of jazz or contemporary, hip hop, etc... salsa, tango, etc.

I think it is sad that some people miss out on dance.

Gordon

metrovelvet wrote:

I think it is sad that some people miss out on dance.

Sure, but if that's their religion then... that's their religion.

Hobbes

metrovelvet wrote:

As far as dance you mention ballet. No mention of jazz or contemporary, hip hop, etc... salsa, tango, etc.

Are you purposely ignoring? Or trying to provoke people here?

I have already said there are muslims in the area you said (hip hop, contemporary, jazz).

As for Salsa and Tango both are dances that erotic in nature, so they probably wouldn't.

metrovelvet

You mentioned musicians - not dance for those areas. Im talking about dance. Are you deliberately not reading what I wrote?

Hobbes

metrovelvet wrote:

You mentioned musicians - not dance for those areas. Im talking about dance. Are you deliberately not reading what I wrote?

I am reading what you wrote. You appear to me trying to provoke a negative response or promote your personal opinions on Islam, not ask a valid question.

You didn't get it with Music, so your trying it now with dance. You already have your answer, continuing to keep quoting other dances/music isn't going to change that answer.

metrovelvet

I didnt ask about Music - someone else did. Oy veh Hobbes! What is your beef?

Seriously, stop projecting. Dont lay this crap on me. You cant ask a question about the arts without deliberately trying to provoke? I think you're deliberately trying to provoke.

Hobbes

The forum has set rules on discussion. The #1 rule you appear to be breaking and this forum isn't for projecting your annoyances/hatred with Islam.

Take a weeks holiday.

babyvaio

metrovelvet wrote:

As I already said: ballet, jazz, modern, contemporary, tap, theatrical,

I had a question, not a point.

I said I wouldn't participate on this forum again, however I feel obliged to answer this question.

Any kind of a dance, which is not in line with the dress code in Islam or any other Law of Allah swt, is strictly prohibited. I think the reasons for this are clear, if not, I'll back it up with some evidence from authentic sources of Islam.

The Noble Qur'an

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.

24:30


And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigor, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.

I think this makes it very clear - there is no need whatsoever after understanding these 2 verses to even think about dancing - however dancing in front of their spouses as stated by Medina is not contradicting the verses above. Other that this private dancing like art dancing, belly dancing, sky dancing, etc. call it what you like - if it's against the rules, then it cannot be lawful.

Private dancing (between a man and his wife) does not contradict the 2 verses, like having sexual pleasures between a man and his wife is allowed. So the music behind this art of whateveritiscalled dancing is out before you even got there - in other words; just to make it clear - if something is forbidden like improper clothing here and disallowed gazing then this is enough to have dancing forbidden.

Medina

Hmmm, I'm not sure I can agree with your decision Hobbes, but it is your decision.

Metrovelvet, I think I understand what you are saying about dance , that it is sad that some people might miss the experience of that kind of dance jazz, tap etc. You just need to be a bit more careful how you express yourself.

Now call me ignorant but I'm not sure what it expresses. If I watched a person tap dancing , what emotion would come across? I think it would be interesting but it wouldn't touch me or move me.

I think what I'm trying to say is that body movement of its own in the form of dance, without music and / or words/ costume/ atmosphere cannot express much to me..which is a contradiction in terms because body language speaks more to people than language most of the time...so

If the dance doesn't make people feel sexually provoked most of the time then I'm sure there would be Muslims who would agree and disagree with it. So tap, jazz etc would probably be fine. And to you it may appear as a shame that people miss it, but some people would be glad to miss it, if they thought it would lead them into sin.

babyvaio

There's something else which is not easy to understand - why people give up dancing, drinking, etc. and other things that they might like now & then?

Well, just because:

- they know Allah swt forbade that so they obbey Him
- He swt promised them a great reward in obeying Him
- they don't want to risk The Eternity for a few years of this short life
- they love Him and this is the way to fully express their love towards Him swt
- they don't have to repent for a sin they didn't do

I think I could list zillions of good reasons why people avoid these kinda things, eventhough they might like or even love dancing and some other stuff.

HelterSkelter

babyvaio, is it allowed for people to dance in a way that could be considered sexual on front of members of the same sex only? For example could a group of girls dance like Britany Spheres on front of other girls if no men were present?

babyvaio

HelterSkelter wrote:

babyvaio, is it allowed for people to dance in a way that could be considered sexual on front of members of the same sex only? For example could a group of girls dance like Britany Spheres on front of other girls if no men were present?

Honestly, I couldn't answer that. This question is a more difficult one and I'd say you would need to get an official answer (fatwa) from Islamic scholars.

Personally, what would be the reason for a dance like that? You would need to describe this specific situation with some more details. The whole thing then might end up in a sin or not. Allah swt knows best!

BTW, deeds are evaluated upon the intentions - what would be i.e. an intention of BT in this case? Why would she dance in front of other girls at all? Let's first examine her intention and we might get closer to an answer.

Medina

I would think that as long as they weren't lesbians it would be ok.

After all women are women then and couldn't sexually excite each other unless they were lesbians.

But yes, what would be the purpose unless its a dance lesson?