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Protest outside Iranian Embassy?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Mick86


    Dar wrote:
    It's a lot easier to trust in what you see with your own eyes. We've all seen the footage showing the results of Israeli bombing. What we have not seen is the video showing crates of weaponry wrapped in a nice pink ribbon and a 'With Compliments' card signed by Iran.
    I know it's true, cos I saw it on TV.
    John Fogerty I believe.:D

    http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7951
    OTTAWA, July 17, 2006 (AFP) - As thousands of Canadians prepared to flee violence in Lebanon, Foreign Minister Peter MacKay on Monday took aim at Syria and Iran for fueling the crisis while calling on Hezbollah to cease aggression against Israel........Asked if Iran and Syria were fueling the crisis, MacKay replied: "I think there is no question.

    "There is support in both of those countries for Hezbollah and Hamas. Some of the weapons used by both groups were traced to these countries."
    On Monday, Canadian media said Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government would likely face a voter backlash over his dogged support for Israel and his refusal to blame the Jewish state for the Canadian deaths.

    http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?ArchiveNews=Yes&NewsCode=44848&NewsKind=CurrentAffairs
    LONDON, August 5 (IranMania) - Iran will supply Hezbollah with surface-to-air missile systems in the coming months, boosting the guerrillas' defences against Israeli aircraft, according to a report by specialist magazine Jane's Defence Weekly, citing unnamed Western diplomatic sources.

    In a meeting, held late last month, the Lebanese Shiite Muslim militia called on Tehran to "accelerate and extend the scope of weapon shipments from Iran to the Islamic Resistance, particularly advanced missiles against ground and air targets."

    Hezbollah's representatives pressed for "an array of more advanced weaponry, including more advanced SAM (surface-to-air missile) systems," Jane's said.

    "Iranian authorities conveyed a message to the Hezbollah leadership that their forces would continue to receive a steady supply of weapons systems,"it added.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    Mick86 wrote:


    oh come try harder please!!

    iranfocus is run by an american backed iran opposition force,that could describe Canada too, and ignoring iranmania?, jane defence weekly although reputatable is hardly unbiased... I bet jane defence detailed saddams nukes too...

    I don't agree with infront, that iran and syria aren't resourcing hezbellah (Im not even sure that is what he is saying) but I want to see details of syria smuggling weapons over it long boarder with lebanon against the wishes of its people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭InFront


    I don't agree with infront, that iran and syria aren't resourcing hezbellah (Im not even sure that is what he is saying)

    :confused: For the last time: Of course Iran and Syria are resourcing Hezbollah. Please stop trying to prove how, how much, where, and when, they are doing this, because if the UN cant, we sure as Hell cant. Claims made by Hurin that he could prove... PROVE it are simply rubbish. That is my point.

    All of the evidence points to it, Im just arguing with the word proof. Its not that hard to understand FFS.

    In my opinion, people are forgetting that when you strip this argument down - forget The USA, forget UK, Forget Iran, forget Bonyad-e Shahid, in the end, you are left with two independent sides fighting each other: Israel and Hezbollah. Two independent entities, no matter who supports them, acting on their own.

    TBH I have as much interest in blaming iran for this as I have in blaming the USA, and that isnt much. People are getting so bogged down in blaming other halfassed belligerents that they are forgetting who is really causing this conflict. Israel and Hezbollah on their own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Húrin


    hurin the thing is you don't actually want to protest outside the iranian embassy if you did you already have done so, and built from there, you know someone already could have and not gotten coverage,

    your posts here and elsewhere have only been about trying to make some weakass point that has made a dozen times in much better depth by many others on the boards,

    hey look this piggish anti-war is supportting hezbollah, wow aren't I so fair and balanced, I told you gotta work much harder, put more work into it, if your are serious about it.
    I am serious about protesting and I am anti-war. I just need to gather some support first.
    Mick86 wrote:
    However Israel has a serious PR problem. It is always presented as the aggressor by it's neighbours and by it's western enemies.
    Israel has western enemies?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Mick86


    oh come try harder please!!

    iranfocus is run by an american backed iran opposition force,that could describe Canada too, and ignoring iranmania?, jane defence weekly although reputatable is hardly unbiased... I bet jane defence detailed saddams nukes too...

    I don't agree with infront, that iran and syria aren't resourcing hezbellah (Im not even sure that is what he is saying) but I want to see details of syria smuggling weapons over it long boarder with lebanon against the wishes of its people

    Your demands are impossible. Do you require the same level of proof of Israeli operations in Lebanon or US wepaons shipments? I'll bet not. So why not accept reports of Iran arming Hezbollah?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Israel has western enemies?

    Well the French no longer much favour them, having switched thier interest towards the Arab-middle east in the 70s and 80s.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    mike65 wrote:
    Well the French no longer much favour them, having switched thier interest towards the Arab-middle east in the 70s and 80s.

    Mike.

    oh you mean when france finally left said countries?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Nope it was after the 6 days war, France had been one of Isrealis main guarantors until then. The government of De Gaulle saw an oppotunity to curry favour with the oil rich states, it went much further than that ultimately with offical ties to the PLO and Paris the hub of anti-Isreal thinking in Europe and the Middle-East (as many Islamic extremists washed up on the banks of the Seine knowing they had a secure bolthole).

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Mick86


    oh you mean when france finally left said countries?

    France left Lebanon and Syria in 1945.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    Mick86 wrote:
    Your demands are impossible. Do you require the same level of proof of Israeli operations in Lebanon or US wepaons shipments? I'll bet not. So why not accept reports of Iran arming Hezbollah?


    we already have the proof of US shipments flying over our heads.

    we have some of the routes and waypoints they are taking,
    we have the names of the companies that make the munitions
    we have the agencies that are protecting the shipments
    we have various politicains defending these shipments

    your turn


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭Frederico


    H&#250 wrote: »
    Alright, so he wants to see the secular, democratic (if overly violent) government of Israel gone.

    That's still pretty bad IMO.

    I thought America wants to see the secular, democratic government (sorry I mean regime) of Iran gone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Húrin


    Frederico wrote:
    I thought America wants to see the secular, democratic government (sorry I mean regime) of Iran gone.
    You mispelled Israel.


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