Villa Signings and General Rumours Thread

Villain

We have bid for Bentley, the General was responding to reports that we had bid 10m:

ckrulak wrote:

General Krulak here:

1. As always, do not believe what you read in the paper. 10 M...not correct. Believe me. I will not say what the offer was but...it beat anything anyone else has offered.

From http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=18930&start=497

leninbenjamin

Bentley'd be a nice acquisition all right. can't see him heading to Birmingham though, hasn't he said he wants to return to live in London?

JPA

What do you guys think of that quote?
Can only be positive I would have thought but over on VT they're jumping to the conclusion that it's in the past and he has turned us down.
Why they think that I don't know.
Also it's unusual for the general to comment so specifically on a transfer like that.

Helix

id say chuck will get his knuckles rapped for that one, unless bentley is as good as signed

Savman

A big boo boo by the General...

General Krulak here:

1. I am terribly sorry I have stirred up a hornet's nest. I made a mistake...and admit it. My intent was not to indicate that we were in a bidding war for Bentley or that he has made a decision or anything else. I should have kept quite. I saw the thread and saw the price tag and was trying to say (VERY POORLY) that none of our fans should read the papers and believe that the player or the price is correct. In my haste to get out that message, I kicked it into the stands!! My point is simple: The papers do not know what is going on...only MON really knows...so we should wait and see what he has to say. I DO NOT KNOW!! A VERY poor choice of words by me.

JPA

Helix wrote: »

id say chuck will get his knuckles rapped for that one, unless bentley is as good as signed

I don't think anyone would ever dare rap The General's knuckles but I know what you mean!

Savman

If it materializes that we were in for Bentley, then I don't think anyone will mind the General jumping the gun a bit, we all wanted a bit of insight into what's going on behind the scenes.
However if there was no bid, it's a bad move on the General's behalf to even mention a player by name knowing what the fans are like.

monkey9

Savman wrote: »

A big boo boo by the General...

A very big boo boo. He spelled 'quite' wrong. It's Q.U.I.E.T!

JPA

Savman wrote: »

A big boo boo by the General...

He said something he definitely shouldn't have but at the same time he has let the cat out of the bag a little bit.

I'm optimistic now that signing Bentley is a real possibility.

Helix

2 possibilities arising from him mentioning bentley

1) he doesnt want to join us

or

2) the deal is done

Savman

Helix wrote: »

2 possibilities arising from him mentioning bentley

1) he doesnt want to join us

or

2) the deal is done

Yeps it's gotta be one of those 2 really.

Villain

or 3.the bid was rejected and we don't know either

Helix

id assume its the former meself

i dont think hed make THAT much of a booboo as to announce something before mon greenlights

JPA

Savman wrote: »

Yeps it's gotta be one of those 2 really.

Fingers crossed eh?

Signing Bentley would obviously greatly add to the team but also send a out a massive message of ambition.

Helix

Villain wrote: »

or 3.the bid was rejected and we don't know either

nope, he wouldnt comment on bidding on a player we were actively engaging

its 100% absolutely done with, its just a case of whether we have him or whether we dont

i would be positive at this stage there will be no more bids from us for the player

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Do you not find it just little hypocritical that your General man has now spoken on the subject of a player they have made a bid for?

Especially after the character assassination your fans and manager made gainst Rafa Benitez for an article he may or may not have leaked to the press?

Did you not gloat that your club would never act in such a public fashion when in actual fact your are acting in a more public manner with a club director alking about the player and bid in question?

Surely you see how hypocritical you are all being?

Villain

Did you read the Generals response Des?

The story was out already also.

Mr Alan

out where? did Blackburn announce the bid?

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Villain wrote: »

Did you read the Generals response Des?

response means nothing.

He did what he did, and just because he said it was some "mistake"? pfft, it was a calculated move, imo.

Villain

Mr Alan wrote: »

out where? did Blackburn announce the bid?

Oh FFS seriously.

You want to compare the Liverpool bid for Barry DURING the season been leaked to a Newspaper, before such time no-one had teh story to the General responding to Newspaper reports during closed season?

Savman

Des wrote: »

Do you not find it just little hypocritical that your General man has now spoken on the subject of a player they have made a bid for?

Especially after the character assassination your fans and manager made gainst Rafa Benitez for an article he may or may not have leaked to the press?

Did you not gloat that your club would never act in such a public fashion when in actual fact your are acting in a more public manner with a club director alking about the player and bid in question?

Surely you see how hypocritical you are all being?

Actually he was responding to a press article, or so he says. It's a bizarre turn of events, totally out of character for the man so I personally don't know what to make of it. But you can't draw comparisons to Rafa, not until the real facts of this Bentley thing become clear.

If there is no discussion with Blackburn and/or the player himself then yes, it's completely wrong for a Villa Director to be discussing it. It doesn't stop Real Madrid or Milan barking about Ronaldo or Adeboyor, but we expect more from AVFC.

Mr Alan

i had heard nothing about the bid, and it hadnt been discussed in here until the general made his post.

monkey9

Rafa made a bid for Barry which he is untitled to do. O Neill hasn't shut the f*ck up about since. Ironically, Villa fans have been slating Rafa for dragging it into the media when he's hardly spoken about it. So why you're bringing Rafa into it now, i don't know

Savman

Listen, if Bentley signs or a bid is accepted, then all the General will have done is let slip prematurely before both clubs have had a chance to announce anything officially. If that's the case, The General hasn't done a lot wrong, but we won't know for a few days if that's what this is all about.

Others reckon it's because Bentley is Spurs-bound, I dunno.

Villain

monkey9 wrote: »

Rafa made a bid for Barry which he is untitled to do. O Neill hasn't shut the f*ck up about since. Ironically, Villa fans have been slating Rafa for dragging it into the media when he's hardly spoken about it. So why you're bringing Rafa into it now, i don't know

Do people actually have the ability to compare situations?

Savman

monkey9 wrote: »

Rafa made a bid for Barry which he is untitled to do. O Neill hasn't shut the f*ck up about since. Ironically, Villa fans have been slating Rafa for dragging it into the media when he's hardly spoken about it. So why you're bringing Rafa into it now, i don't know

Who's bringing Rafa into it? Do you read stuff before pressing "Post Reply"?

Mr Alan

Savman wrote: »

Listen, if Bentley signs or a bid is accepted, then all the General will have done is let slip prematurely before both clubs have had a chance to announce anything officially. If that's the case, The General hasn't done a lot wrong, but we won't know for a few days if that's what this is all about.

So if Barry signs for Liverpool/or MON finally accepts a bid, will Rafa have done nothing wrong in your eyes??

fact is a Villa official has commented on your club wanting another clubs player. A player that other club does not want to sell. Dress it up watever way you want.

monkey9

Savman wrote: »

Who's bringing Rafa into it? Do you read stuff before pressing "Post Reply"?

You did. I read it in your post before i hit Post Reply

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Villain wrote: »

Do people actually have the ability to compare situations?

Villa fans bitching about another club talking about a bid one of their players.

Villa fans not recognising the irony in a club official from Villa talking about a bid for a player at another club.

What's different?

Timing doesn't matter a shíte.

Helix

Des wrote: »

Do you not find it just little hypocritical that your General man has now spoken on the subject of a player they have made a bid for?

Especially after the character assassination your fans and manager made gainst Rafa Benitez for an article he may or may not have leaked to the press?

Did you not gloat that your club would never act in such a public fashion when in actual fact your are acting in a more public manner with a club director alking about the player and bid in question?

Surely you see how hypocritical you are all being?

oh it is a bit, but it wasnt intentional and bentley HAS handed in a transfer request

its not like the liverpool thing which happened before one of our biggest games of the season to our club captain who HADNT handed in a request. but yes id expect krulak to get a bit of a bollocking off o'neill over this

death1234567

Poor stuff from the general but everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully the press don't pick up on his comments and quote him stating villa have made a huge bentley offer.

Villain

Des wrote: »

Villa fans bitching about another club talking about a bid one of their players.

Villa fans not recognising the irony in a club official from Villa talking about a bid for a player at another club.

What's different?

Timing doesn't matter a shíte.

Timing doesn't matter??? seriously are you honestly trying to say that a club leaking a story to a paper during the last few weeks of the season when that Club was pushing for a European spot is the same a Club rep commenting on newspaper reports during closed season?

pvt.joker

Apologies for my ignorance, but who is this General chap?

Does he usually have good inside info?

Helix

the main difference here is the fact that the player had handed in a request, but i still think its bad form from the general

hes not a pr man nor is he a football man tho, it was an honest slip while defending the club

Savman

monkey9 wrote: »

You did. I read it in your post before i hit Post Reply

Go back and read it again. Rafa was mentioned by Des first, not I. I actually disagreed that comparisons could be drawn but it seems we're too late for that, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Helix

pvt.joker wrote: »

Apologies for my ignorance, but who is this general chap?

Does he usually have good inside info?

hed want to, hes a fcukin director lol

Savman

pvt.joker wrote: »

Apologies for my ignorance, but who is this General chap?

Does he usually have good inside info?

A Villa Director, Randy Lerner's right hand man. Talks directly with fans on the message boards, usually a stand up gentleman.

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Helix wrote: »

oh it is a bit, but it wasnt intentional

death1234567 wrote: »

Poor stuff from the general but everyone makes mistakes.

Not intentional?

Mistake?

My white hairy arse it wasn't intentional.

Seriously, does the sun shine out of this fella's mickey or what?

Villain wrote: »

Timing doesn't matter??? seriously are you honestly trying to say that a club leaking a story to a paper during the last few weeks of the season when that Club was pushing for a European spot is the same a Club rep commenting on newspaper reports during closed season?

Are you honestly defending the actions of the "general"?

He leaked this story, end of.

Now, you should be slating him like you slated liverpool.

If not, it's hyprocasy.

Plain and simple.

Or call it "a situation coming back to bite you on the ass".

Sometimes you just have to suck it up, ya know.

pvt.joker

Helix wrote: »

hed want to, hes a fcukin director lol

jaysus, thats a good source alright!

So is the general consensus (haha see what i did there) , that this general has let the cat out of the bag, and is now backtracking.....or that it was a genuine mistake and that villa are not in for bently?

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Helix wrote: »

it was an honest slip

rofl.

he typed it up, probably re-read it before he hit submit.

honest slip?

jesus wept.

Savman

Des wrote:

Seriously, does the sun shine out of this fella's mickey or what?

Seriously, that's hardly mature.

pvt.joker wrote: »

jaysus, thats a good source alright!

So is the general consensus (haha see what i did there) , that this general has let the cat out of the bag, and is now backtracking.....or that it was a genuine mistake and that villa are not in for bently?

No idea. But Des and Mr Alan seem to know more than the rest of us, maybe they can shed some light on it.

Helix

pvt.joker wrote: »

jaysus, thats a good source alright!

So is the general consensus (haha see what i did there) , that this general has let the cat out of the bag, and is now backtracking.....or that it was a genuine mistake and that villa are not in for bently?

hes let the cat out of the bag, we have made a bit alrite. its just unclear as to what the status of it is. he wouldnt ahve mentioned the player by name im sure if it was still a live bid tho

Savman

Once again, for those not interested in pushing an agenda:

General Krulak here:

1. I posted a sentence on another thread that was POORLY written and sent the wrong message. Simply put and to correct the thread, I do NOT know whether we are in a bidding contest for Mr. Bentley. My point was simply that none of us should take the media as the "gospel" when it comes to players, prices, etc. etc. ONLY MON knows who we are looking at and what the offer might be. If someone says we have bid "10M for Bentley", that is the opinion of a writer...NOT necessarily correct. POOR WORDING by me and I apologize.

So there, he said he made a mistake and apologized. Don't remember Rafa doing that.

Helix

Des wrote: »

rofl.

he typed it up, probably re-read it before he hit submit.

honest slip?

jesus wept.

nah seriously man the guy has a zero transfer target talk policy. its extremely out of character and im sure he'll be disciplined about it

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Savman wrote: »

Once again, for those not interested in pushing an agenda:

:eek:

What agenda would I possibly have?

Bounty Hunter

comparison drawn, we get it, no Villa fan has condoned the Generals slip-up, this has nothing to do with Liverpool now.

However the general more than any other itk around does have insider info, and what he said is very interesting. I believe we have put in a bid for Bentley for more than 10m but nothing more.

maybe one of the reasons the General made this slip up is actually to avoid a Barry-esque comparison i.e the general consensus was that Barry (Bentley) was valued at around £15m, even though Villa (Blackburn) supposidly want closer to 18m. and then the media ran a story about a £10m bid which pissed off the Villa (blackburn) manager and fans as it was seen as derisery.

Bounty Hunter

Sidwell in now officially a Villan




(and Des isnt a Pool fan afaik)

Savman

Ginger's signed.
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~1341381,00.html

Villain

Des wrote: »

Are you honestly defending the actions of the "general"?

He leaked this story, end of.

Now, you should be slating him like you slated liverpool.

If not, it's hyprocasy.

Plain and simple.

Or call it "a situation coming back to bite you on the ass".

Sometimes you just have to suck it up, ya know.

I'm not defending him but he apologised almost straight away, to compare this incident to Liverpool leaking the Barry transfer to the Echo before Villa played important games is laughable, it not my fault you can't compare situations and see the difference.

One player puts in a transfer request, its closed season and the transfer window is open, several papers and online news sites report for over a week that Villa are after Bentley then an article is printed stating Villa bid around 10 million for the player, the General responds saying the article is incorrect and we Bid more than other teams.

Another player is captain of his club playing well and hasn't mentioned anything about leaving, during the closing weeks of the season when his club are playing hugely important games and when the transfer window is closed a club makes a bid, and then they leak it to the paper to unsettle the player.

If those situations look the same to you Des, then I'll sponsor you a visit to spec savers

Savman

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

(and Des isnt a Pool fan afaik)

No but he spends enough time up Mr Alan's arse he might as well be