Irish guys in Iraq???

Ronan Raver77

Hey guys was just wondering is there any ex army guys working in Iraq as pmc/psd contractors.Remember a good few months ago an Irish guy who served in the legion was injured in Iraq working for a Brit security company.Anyone????

The thing

I know of at least one (no names) and a very well trained individual he is too, hint hint. Yes I am sure there are other's, but it's not the sort of thing people would go boasting to the world about.

newby.204

The thing wrote:

I know of at least one (no names) and a very well trained individual he is too, hint hint. Yes I am sure there are other's, but it's not the sort of thing people would go boasting to the world about.

Not boast but why not talk, Jobs a Job and money is money!!!!

The thing

A lot of these guys would have special forces history so being in the national media would be a issue they would wish to avoid. Then there is the security aspect associated with the type of work they are doing in Iraq.

cushtac

I've shipped stuff to eight Irish out there and I know of another guy, there's bound to be more than that.

Dub13

Yes I know a couple of lads who have been or are over there now.

Manic Moran

I ran into a fair few Irish lads working as contractors for the Americans, but for AAFES, not the military. They had a damned good job, and were getting paid great money.

AAFES are the lads who run the exchanges: The local supermarket, in effect. I ran into one chap from the West who was selling heraldry things, for example, but the blokes (and girl) who were really raking in the cash were manning the car sales desks. They have a captive audience (AAFES are the only car sales/military-price/tax-free people selling cars to Americans for American delivery over there) who have a lot of money because there was nothing to spend it on. To give you an example, every person bar one in my platoon bought a new car or bike at the end of our tour. Can you imagine the comission they're getting? They were based out of Qatar, and flown in for a week at a time or so to the various military bases in Iraq, Kuwait, and other such places. A fair bit of free time, a lot of money. They had responded to adverts in the Irish newspapers, which had been a little vague: "Sales position in exciting and dynamic foreign nations" or something like that.

NTM

IrishAirCorps

Ex




Perhaps!:D

The best!

babybundy

i no 3 out there working close protection for western engineering crews

bk

Manic Moran wrote:

I ran into a fair few Irish lads working as contractors for the Americans, but for AAFES, not the military. They had a damned good job, and were getting paid great money.

Actually I've seen an ad in some Irish paper for these guys. They seem to really like hiring Irish people for the job. It seems we make good sales people and the Americans really like chatting to the Irish people which helps with the sales.

babybundy

gift of the gab

Dub13

There are a growing number of private military companies operating around the world.Many soldiers notably from special forces units are being tempted to go private and earn a lot more money.Alot of these company's main body of work is protection but some specialize in taken military action without public opinion being affected by numbers of casualties.

To combat this apparently the ministry of defense in the UK are raising the pay of special forces by 40%.

Ronan Raver77

Cheers guys.Tell me if im wrong but can us or uk special forces take a leave of absence and work for a security company in Iraq for a couple of months then return to their special forces unit???? Theres a couple of uk guys on a forum im on but no sign of any Irish guys,but i presumed there was a couple over there:)

IrishAirCorps

Ronan Devitt wrote:

but can us or uk special forces take a leave of absence and work for a security company in Iraq for a couple of months then return to their special forces unit?

Nope, you have to be totally out of the Mil.

triskell

i know a fewlads out there as well all ex pdf no rangers they working as BGs. moneys ok $2k+ a week depending on experience. it's very risky work but the companies are hiring most people with mil experience who check out, they run them through there own courses to bring them up to speed which you pay for. but you get it refunded after first trip cause a lot of fellas bottle it just before they deploy

babybundy

ya i started one course but that fella wasnt ligit so i dropped out i no one of the lads who went through the whole courseand the boll@cks disapeared with out sending anyone on contracts

spooky donkey

A mate of mine heard two lads taking in a barracks recently about going over doing food convey escorts and that ya could get like 50K a month but it was very risky. But the guy said " Ah sure ya`ll be well tooled out " funny to think of weapons as tools, but I supose they are in a way kinda.

triskell

there s huge demand for "security" its really merc work if the sh8t hits the fan no one is responsible, and chances are you are also deniable. these companies seem to appear and dissappear like mirages but it would be interesting to know who really are the pay masters, Cp work is slightly better as you work for a private individual organised by the company, it's just as dangerous you don't half stand out in the crowd. but at least with CP the chances are u know most of ur team or at least they have been recommended by by friends of friends. withthe other "security" they could be anybody literally just another body. in that kind of sh8t i lke to know whos at my back

ScottishDanny

it IS Mercenary work. Most of the Spec Forces guys have been taken so now the ranks of these private companies are filling up with crazy rambo types from lesser trained units and armies, and nutters who can't settle in civvie street. Can't be good for the regulars out there - thousands of armed blokes with no clear chain of command or rules of engagement. They do what they like and nobody knows who the f*ck they are! Kick up a sh*tstorm, leg it and leave the regulars to sort it out. Sandline International, a security firm who do a nice sideline in coup d'etats had a massive presence out there but I believe the company has disappeared and been rebadged. Some current-serving BA are doing this work while on the sick. And this PSNI officer. V dodgy indeed. If mercenaries go off to troublespots to pick a fight they deserve what they get.

Ronan Raver77

Mercenaries do Offensive work and Security Contractors/psd/convoy security do Defensive work.BIG difference these guys arent hired to go in and take on the Insurgency no raids on locations etc.Special forces are hired because they are the dogs b***ix if they get attacked.There are so many other differences between the two but i will let a more experienced person get into it as im just a civy.

komsomol

IrishAirCorps wrote:

Ex




Perhaps!:D

The best!

The past few camps i've been on in the defence forces theres been a good few rumers about the arw in active service in Afghanistan, though heard nothing about Iraq.

babybundy

there is un observers there its about 9 i think but cant say anything about rangers but i would say there probily are some out there the best training is the rea stuff think of it the first time the arw were offically deployed was east timor and we all no it was much earlier

RapierX

I've nearly been crucified on several occasions for suggesting the possibility of irish troops having been involved in the gulf war. I'm glad other people have the belief that they may have been on operations before east timor at least.

think of it the first time the arw were offically deployed was east timor and we all no it was much earlier

cushtac

babybundy wrote:

there is un observers there its about 9 i think but cant say anything about rangers but i would say there probily are some out there the best training is the rea stuff

There's 7 personnel in Afghanistan, and none of them are doing Secret Squirrel stuff. Any talk of the ARW being out there on the sly is complete nonsense.

babybundy wrote:

think of it the first time the arw were offically deployed was east timor and we all no it was much earlier

East Timor was the first time the ARW deployed as a unit, that's what made it significant. Plenty of ARW troops would have gone overseas before this, it was never a secret. If the DF didn't want aynone to know about such involvement, why did articles in An Cosantóir mention ARW personnel in Somalia or feature their pictures?

RapierX wrote:

I've nearly been crucified on several occasions for suggesting the possibility of irish troops having been involved in the gulf war.

What in the name of God gave you that idea?

triskell

RapierX wrote:

I've nearly been crucified on several occasions for suggesting the possibility of irish troops having been involved in the gulf war. I'm glad other people have the belief that they may have been on operations before east timor at least.

I take it you mean irish nationals serving with foreign militaries and not serving members of the PDF being paid to be there by the neutral irish state. the only time serving members of the irish PDF have been in the above mentioned iraq/afganistan is as observers.
the ARW has and dose TRAIN with foreign militaries. and not in combat

Manic Moran

I don't believe the Irish lads in Afghanistan are just observers, but as there are only a half-dozen, they're probably just in G-Staff positions. When one of my sergeants returned from Afghanistan claiming to have worked with an Irish officer, I was incredulous; until he produced the FF key chain with which he had been presented.

NTM

Victor

Apparently I used to play DoD with one. I've no recollection of him.

Apparently theres a ton of ex-PSNI officers there - on Irish passports.