Knackers, crazy foam and a perfect day

melekalikimaka

mloc wrote:

you're either part of the problem, or part of the solution.

and we need a solution.

gas the mo fos

Karl Hungus

dr.bollocko wrote:

Thats totally true. Race riots, socially, if warranted are a valid political statement. hassling random strangers is for **** and nazis.

Consider if the shoe was on the other foot for a moment, and that all the stormfront types who feel grievances at the government, immigrants and such like, all went and started a big riot. I don't believe for a second anyone would be coming on here stating how it's a "Valid political statement" and excusing what would be nothing more than en masse scumbaggery.

dr.bollocko wrote:

Being in a privileged position ourselves I dont think that we have the adequate knowledge or experiences to comment on the motivations for a race riot. I think irrational acts often define turbulent times in the history of a nation. (Looking at ourselves here) Who are we to say what defines a race rioter and what he is or isnt likely to do. So as far as that goes I dont think that your comment about a race rioter being likely to hassle you in the street is necessarily a fair one, when weighed up against potentially years of abuse and a lack of facilities, jobs, money and privileges. Its often human nature to just say "**** this for a state of affairs, Im not willing to do this anymore" and that could and does happen to anyone. Race riots are irrational acts with a defined purpose. At least theres a reason behind them, whereas random street violence is the preserve of the true scumbag, and a favourite amongst many many irish morons.

Being in a privileged position ourselves (Which obviously includes you) you somehow feel in a position to berate others for commenting on the motivations behind a race riot, but then you go and make your own commentary on the motivations. Surely you saw the irony when you wrote this?

You state lack of jobs as reason for this 'Valid' riot, and you'll very often read threads by people on stormfront complaining of exactly that, aswell as lack of housing and benefits. Many of them feel very hard done by, ignored by authorites, and demonised by the media. But I'm very sure that if there was a race riot instigated by like of stormfront, nobody would be excusing it, no matter what the reasons behind it are.

Anyway, I think we're getting a little off-topic here. I think Julep's point was that we're not the only country with a scumbag problem. And this article outlines a lot of problems pre-2005.

So I don't think we should be jumping to excuse any senseless act of violence.

Terry

that's a fairly loaded piece of writing. with sentiments like that, is it any wonder the muslims in france felt the need to riot.
of course, i don't know enough about the situation there to comment on it, but if the majority of french people feel that way, then i can see where the muslims were coming from.

anyway, yes, i was saying that there are scumbags in every country.
it just seems that the Irish government doesn't really do as good a job of hiding them from the tourists as other countries do.

Karl Hungus

julep wrote:

but if the majority of french people feel that way

Like the way we feel about knackers?

Terry

in what context are you using the word "Knackers"?

if you mean travellers, then there is a certain similarity in the way both communities are treated.
if you mean sucmbags, then i just say kill 'em all.

If the gardai were armed with batons, I dont see this happening as much.

I agree, I've walked through L.A, New York, London by myself during the night-time and I never once felt .. afraid. Yet, even places in Galway, I get a slight tinge when I see a few knackers walking towards me.

Why, only a few weeks ago was I walking home when this drunken idiot picked fights with 3 german lads. Complete scumbag. The german lads had him on the ground immediately and walked away. He gets up, storms after them. I was walking with a friend. After a short-time I decided it safe to walk down the same road (it was a short-cut home). We hear these footsteps running up behind us. He appears shouting, "you want a broken nose?" He takes a swing for me, just missing my nose by an inch. He then stops and runs after someone else.

If the streets were better policed by gardai who were armed and willing to do something about it, I can't see anything like this happening again.

Karl Hungus

julep wrote:

in what context are you using the word "Knackers"?

if you mean travellers, then there is a certain similarity in the way both communities are treated.
if you mean sucmbags, then i just say kill 'em all.

In the context that everyone uses the term knacker, skanger, scumbag, scobe interchangably.

stepbar

Well nothing suprises me anymore..., I was walking down to the green on thurs to catch the Luas, was about 7pm. Seen a load of knackers at the front entrance to the park across from the sc. Got my ticket and went off to get something to drink. Lone behold knacker in celtic jersey proceeds to whip out his lad and piss up against a lamp post, the dirty bastard...:eek: Coming back on the Luas a lad hopped on clearly out of it on drugs chatting away on the mobile with his dealer to set up his next fix. I thought to myself what is Dublin coming too.....

Travellers aren't all that bad though. The majority of the ones I've met have been decent enough. If the young ones cause any hassle, find out who their parents are and tell them. Morethanlikely they wont be too happy to hear bout it.

Ho-hum

Terry

i saw an article in the sun the other day about a drug dealer up north who was murdered by unionists because he went onto an estate they had banned him from. they used machetes on him and cut his body in two (apparently. i can't be sure. it was the sun after all).
anyway, they had a picture of his mother and she was crying.
naturally enough too. it's her son who has been killed.
that's something people need to remember when they call for all these scumbags to be killed (yes, i am aware of my above comment. it was tongue in cheek). they are all someones son or daughter.
i feel no sympathy for these ****, but somebody somewhere loves them.
perhaps the national service thing is a good idea. however, as i stated earlier, i does teach them other ways to kill and that's never a good thing.
kicking someone in the head is one thing. knowing where to land a fatal blow is another.
on the national service thing though. who decides which person is enough of a scumbag to do national service? those dudes from blackrock college would be scumbags in my eyes, but most people here seem to think that scumbags are only present in working class areas.

Karl Hungus

Deleted User wrote:

Travellers aren't all that bad though. The majority of the ones I've met have been decent enough. If the young ones cause any hassle, find out who their parents are and tell them. Morethanlikely they wont be too happy to hear bout it.

Yeah, big family of travellers live not so far from me, although I wouldn't say they aren't all that bad. One of the little ones tried to make me flinch when I was walking home from the shop by hiting the bush near me with a stick and telling me how he'll break my glasses. I told him his brothers wouldn't like to hear that he's been acting the maggot, and the look on his face when he heard his brothers' names. I was giggling all the way home then I can tell you.

Terry

stepbar wrote:

Well nothing suprises me anymore..., I was walking down to the green on thurs to catch the Luas, was about 7pm. Seen a load of knackers at the front entrance to the park across from the sc. Got my ticket and went off to get something to drink. Lone behold knacker in celtic jersey proceeds to whip out his lad and piss up against a lamp post, the dirty bastard...:eek: Coming back on the Luas a lad hopped on clearly out of it on drugs chatting away on the mobile with his dealer to set up his next fix. I thought to myself what is Dublin coming too.....

dude, the junkies are not new to Dublin. theve been there for well over 30 years now.

stepbar

Just using these to highlight two seperate events that happened on the same eve... was more discusted by the lad pissing against the lamppost TBH.. theres a lad who had **** all respect for his city

Pigman II

Fanny Cradock wrote:

I felt ashamed for my nation. Of all the places I've travelled I've never encountered knackers like Irish knackers.

Ashamed for the nation? Try feeling ashamed for yourself. You're part of society too. If you had a problem with that knackers behavior then you should have stood in and done something.

People standing around moaning but doing nothing is why people like that will continue doing as they please.

Alter-Ego

My usual "knacker" experience;

Knakcer: "Get yer hair cuh"

Me: "Thats original"

Knacker: *Confused Look*

I live in a small town and i can't say they bother me that much. They're all talk and if they say anything then say something back. Thats life i guess, people are assholes.

Archeron

Pigman II wrote:

Ashamed for the nation? Try feeling ashamed for yourself. You're part of society too. If you had a problem with that knackers behavior then you should have stood in and done something.

People standing around moaning but doing nothing is why people like that will continue doing as they please.

Perhaps they should start handing out batons to tourists in Dublin Airport. Welcome to the city, best arm yourself now.

I can see where you are coming from on this, but to be fair, the levels of apathy among so may of Dublins population would mean that anyone who did step in and try and do something would swiftly find themselves at the end of a harsh kicking, with no-one to come to their aid. Its all well and good dying a martyr, but not for that cause of trying to stop anti social behaviour on our streets when there is a squad car illegally parked up the road with the actual police no where to be seen.Dont get me wrong, i know the guards cant be everywhere at once, but it should not be the responsibilty of the general population to have to stop this type of behaviour on our streets. God knows there are enough people employed in various civic positions so that the responsibility for the day to day safety of Dublins citizens should not be something that is ever called into question; certainly not to the point we are at now.

Interestingly enough there was an article in last nights Herald (:rolleyes: ) that showcased Irelands couldnt give a damn attitude perfectly. The writer witnessed some sort of appalling event on a bus, (she didnt specify what, but it seemed to be some of physical abuse by scummer 1 on scummer 2). When she stood up to to speak against it, everyone else on the bus buried their heads in their books and ipods and let her take whatever flack was coming.

Like another poster said, I have been quite a few cities around the world, and none seem to have that nasty element that Dublin has. I dont agree with the concept of just killing these people of blowing them up, but something certainly needs to be done, before Dublins reputation is ireperably damaged. As it is, I try to go into Dublin as little as possible and these scumbags are certainly one of main reasons why. Sad really, considering I am from Dublin, and I love the place.

Fanny Cradock

Pigman II wrote:

Ashamed for the nation? Try feeling ashamed for yourself. You're part of society too. If you had a problem with that knackers behavior then you should have stood in and done something.

People standing around moaning but doing nothing is why people like that will continue doing as they please.

please, keep your self righteous sh1te to yourself. if we stepped in it would have escalated into a fight. i didnt fancy getting glass in the face. i wish i was as tough, brave and manly as you, pigmanII, but alas...

maybe you should form a vigilante group and show us what a real man would do instead of posting judgemental crap like above.

Pigman II

Fanny Cradock wrote:

please, keep your self righteous sh1te to yourself. if we stepped in it would have escalated into a fight. i didnt fancy getting glass in the face. i wish i was as tough, brave and manly as you, pigmanII, but alas...

maybe you should form a vigilante group and show us what a real man would do instead of posting judgemental crap like above.

Ooh er, check out her!

You didn't have to go in fists raised you fool. All you had to do do was tell the knack to take a walk and that'd have been that. You even said yourself that knack#2 wasn't up for it so you were already 3 against 1 if you and your friend had had a pair of balls between you. The guy might have had a few words but he would have backed down and more imporantly would think twice about acting the maggot like that again.

But anyway thanks for regailing us your tail of how people are letting this country down from the lofty heights of that rock you hide under.

Fanny Cradock

Pigman II wrote:

Ooh er, check out her!

You didn't have to go in fists raised you fool. All you had to do do was tell the knack to take a walk and that'd have been that. You even said yourself that knack#2 wasn't up for it so you were already 3 against 1 if you and your friend had had a pair of balls between you. The guy might have had a few words but he would have backed down and more imporantly would think twice about acting the maggot like that again.

But anyway thanks for regailing us your tail of how people are letting this country down from the lofty heights of that rock you hide under.

I must say that I am surprised by your reaction, pigman. The rock I hide under you say? Letting the country down am I? If only I had your super powers of clairvoyance and the ability to pass blanket judgements on others, pigman, then I, too, could know outcome of every future event and also look down on people. Why don't you regale me with the legends of your brave feats.

Terry

ahh, be quiet, the pair of you.

Pigman II

julep wrote:

ahh, be quiet, the pair of you.

Ah be quiet yourself.

Fanny Cradock wrote:

I must say that I am surprised by your reaction, pigman. The rock I hide under you say? Letting the country down am I? If only I had your super powers of clairvoyance and the ability to pass blanket judgements on others, pigman, then I, too, could know outcome of every future event and also look down on people. Why don't you regale me with the legends of your brave feats.

Thanks for the PM on the matter. I especially enjoyed the bit where you call me a "sycophantic ****" btw :rolleyes: Anyway I've sent you a reply PM with what you requested so that you can rest easy on the matter.

exiztone

I think we need a party who will pursue a zero tolerance crime system. If they were reported, which they weren't, they might do a few months in The Joy. Afterwards, provided they haven't been killed in there :rolleyes: they'll walk out with no aspirations or prospects and put on their burberry caps.

I think a good Minister of Justice should have them begging for their lives... it would also be just to humiliate them.

junkyard

A lot of the trouble we have today stems for the elimination of corporal punishment in schools. Within days of this being implemented five year old were standing up to their teachers and giving them grief. The reason we have so many scumbags today is because the legal system we have here is too politically correct for its own good and the government won't spend enough money on Police and the prison service. I think prisons should be self sufficient like in the U.S., not only would it keep the scumbags busy when they are in there but it wouldn't cost the taxpayer so much either. The Police should also be issued with pepper spray at least for their own protection. As for knackers the f***ers should be shot on sight, you just can't trust them, two years ago the b***ards robbed my car transporter and when I reported it to the Police they looked at me with surprise and asked me what were they supposed to do about it, needless to say I didn't see it since.:mad:

Dyr

junkyard wrote:

A when I reported it to the Police they looked at me with surprise and asked me what were they supposed to do about it, needless to say I didn't see it since.:mad:

he i love that line from the gardai, apparently they made it through templemore without anyone showing them a job description :eek:

bug

They really piss me off and the worst thing is, no body can do anything.

I have been living in Bostoin for the last 6 months and yeah you get assholes here but nothing like Knackers and scum bags back home. Only in Ireland. I like this idea of sending them to war.... hmmmmmm.....if only!

hrm, I hear the UN are looking for a few people to send to the leb.

should be sort of a three strikes and your into boot camp situation.
Teach them the dicipline they never learned.

This would be assuming we actually lived in a state where the police actually policed though.. so, doubt it would work.

Fanny Cradock

I'm not so sure that training an emotionally ****ed person to be a professional killer is such a good idea.

exiztone

How would/should Ireland go about pursuing such an idea? I believe in a coercian/conciliation deal. Whereby offenders have many options to rehabilitate, e.g. many programs to get them into a variety of jobs and clear their history. But if they offend, especially in cases like the above where it's degrading to others, they should be made examples of...

I wouldn't say no to putting repeat offenders through a system of torture. Beat them close to death every other day until they get the idea.

Most people won't accept such ideas though... they think it's society's fault they're like that which justifies their antisocial behaviour. :mad:

dSTAR

Sgt. Sensible wrote:

That's one of the reasons I left Dublin. Scangers at it during the day and yuppies and students at it at night. Like an evil tag team...

This is one of the reasons I will most likely never return to Dublin. I have two young daughters and I would be very apprehensive about taking them to visit their grandparents in Dublin. It just seems to be getting worse with unemployed, drunken scumbags all over the place.

I can take my daughters into to the CBD in Melbourne at any time of the day or night and still feel relatively safe. My solution would be to put them in detention centres indefinitely or tattoo a big X on their forehead with the words Shoot Here underneath! :cool:

smk135

Spike wrote:

Hmm, interesting idea. But the only equipment they get to clear the fields with should be ridiculously oversized clown shoes. With metal weights in them, just to make sure.

hahahaha, that post and Mr Bollockos post have actually made me laugh out loud...!!!

(Bollockos one where he retaliates bout the ull stop thing)

hahaha

smk135

hahaha (again sorry!) to Spike, Bollocko and Nick...brilliant posts!!!

otherwise, to respond to the whole riots that went on in France, i am just back from having lived there for 7 years, and first of all, let me just say that what you saw on TV here was totally exagerated.

also, after having lived in the south of France, i got to the know the muslims/north africans/ more frequently referred to simply as "arabes" over there, and when i first arrivedthere i thought everyone was racist. then i got to know them and the only time i would feel unsafe walking the streets of MOntpellier was when they were hanging around. and the only stabbings or violence you would read about was from them.

also, they are like the Irish and English in Irish ubs abroad> they live in France, get every penny out of the government, make absolutely nooo effort to integrate and then bloody whinge and moan about how ****e France is. not to mention the fact that they are genuinely the nackers of France. so it pisses me off to hear about poor little them and their riots.

on the other hand, i do feel for them cause they have a huuuuge identity crisis going on and that defo ****s them up which is another opic altogether. but there defo is a lack of effort on their behalf and it would be safer in France without them.

im going to shutup now.

cornbb

So does anyone propose a solution to this major social problem that doesn't resort to Naziism? Cause all of this "round up and shoot/conscript the scumbags" talk is incredibly ignorant and laughable bullsh1t.

Tak3n

cornbb wrote:

So does anyone propose a solution to this major social problem that doesn't resort to Naziism? Cause all of this "round up and shoot/conscript the scumbags" talk is incredibly ignorant and laughable bullsh1t.

Cut social benefits off from people who havn't worked in 6+ months.. unless they have a genuine reason for not working. Force them into the world of normal people...

exiztone

They'd probably tear up the streets since they have an excuse to riot in protest. Seriously, corporal punishment all the way. It works!

dSTAR

cornbb wrote:

So does anyone propose a solution to this major social problem that doesn't resort to Naziism? Cause all of this "round up and shoot/conscript the scumbags" talk is incredibly ignorant and laughable bullsh1t.

OK maybe the round them up and shoot mentality is an extreme reaction to a situation that is spiralling out of control which neither the Gardai or Government want to deal with.

Can I ask if you have ever had someone close to you attacked so badly by scumbags that they were left unrecognisable?

I honestly don't think there is a solution to help these social misfits become productive members of society that does not involve drastic measures.

Pandering to these thugs with wishy washy responses is gutless.

Smurfpiss

All these violent solutions, while darkly hilarious, won't solve anything.
And if you try setting up conscription sure they'll be the first to dodge.
My solution is simple but effective.
Ban the sale of all sports clothing.
Eventually they'll have to dress like us and may even integrate into society...
(just don't breed with them)

LegacyUser

i was in helsinki recently, great city, very chilled, clean and safe.

coming back to dublin, it only highlighted how bad our scumbag problem is here.

they're like a cancer.

i've been to quite a few countries, the only place that i'd compare, as far as scum goes, is london.

different kind of scum there though, it's more racial i found.

we seem to have our own unique brand of scumbag, and it really is getting out of hand.

so what's a realistic solution to rid our country of this cancer.....

there's the liberal side, and the not so liberal, lock em all up side.

i think the 3 strike rule is fair enough. i mean give em the chance to get their 5hit together, courses, drug programmes etc... but 3 strikes, bang em up for 20 years, get em off the streets.

i reckon we'd need alot more prisons, but tbh, i'd prefer em locked up, than poluting our streets.

but, at over 40k a year, to lock one of these up for a year, it could get a little pricey.

nlgbbbblth

julep wrote:

those dudes from blackrock college would be scumbags in my eyes, but most people here seem to think that scumbags are only present in working class areas.

In my experience the Blackrock Anabels / tennis players beating up librarian type incidents are the exception rather than the rule and are given excessive coverage by the media.

There is a certain element of right-on middle class self-loathing around the place. I remember reading an article in the Irish Times magazine in which a trendy graphic designer was interviewed about his new pad in Stoneybatter. He was very keen to point out that he 'always wanted to live in an authentic inner-city neighbourhood instead of an anonymous and boring suburban estate full of anonymous and boring people'. Naturally his neighbours were 'the salt of the earth' despite them robbing his bicycle and breaking a small window on a visitor's car. His willingness to justify their behaviour was laughable. If a bunch of posh rugger buggers nicked his bicycle he would have had a totally different outlook.

dr.bollocko

Karl Hungus wrote:

Blah blah blah....


Being in a privileged position ourselves (Which obviously includes you) you somehow feel in a position to berate others for commenting on the motivations behind a race riot, but then you go and make your own commentary on the motivations. Surely you saw the irony when you wrote this?

Blah blah blah....

Anyway, I think we're getting a little off-topic here.
Blah moan blah

I didnt berate anyone about commentating on a race riot. I just stated the difference between street violence and race riots and why one is not the same as the other, and why one cannot be called the other.
I also did not BERATE anyone, I offered an alternative opinion. Thats what its called when someone has a different opinion to you, its called having a different opinion, its allowed, maybe not on boards but certainly in the real world.
Though if you want a verbal berating you have warmed me up from a cold start. (As the actress said to the bishop)

And then you have the gall to say that I am getting off topic?
Well ****, Im getting off topic? Glad you berated me on my "off-topic post" for a good long page before you pointed out that I am getting off topic. That was a brilliant move out of you.

magpie

There is a certain element of right-on middle class self-loathing around the place. I remember reading an article in the Irish Times magazine in which a trendy graphic designer was interviewed about his new pad in Stoneybatter. He was very keen to point out that he 'always wanted to live in an authentic inner-city neighbourhood instead of an anonymous and boring suburban estate full of anonymous and boring people'. Naturally his neighbours were 'the salt of the earth' despite them robbing his bicycle and breaking a small window on a visitor's car. His willingness to justify their behaviour was laughable. If a bunch of posh rugger buggers nicked his bicycle he would have had a totally different outlook.

Precisely.

To be honest, times have moved on and there are equal opportunites for everyone, access to education being the primary one.

I think its time to roll back the nanny state that allows so many people to lead their lives like children free of responsibility as they know they will never go hungry.

First, sell off the entire stock of council housing - give first refusal to the current tenants (at full market rate). This will greatly alleviate pressure on housing in cities and also wake the 'working classes' up to the reality of the 'cushy' middle class existence (enormous mortgage payments for starters). For those who don't wish to purchase there is plenty of rental accomodation available. This will also have the distinct advantage of breaking up the 'bolt hole' mentality where anything goes - by living among normal working people they will learn what is and what is not acceptable. The revenue generated from the sale of the housing stock can be put into building better roads and infrastructure (see poinit 4 below).

Second, disenfranchise anyone on benefits. No tax payments? No say in how the country is run.

Third, reduce benefits to a basic subsistence level. No money for booze unless you work.

Fourth, anyone unable or unwilling to fend for themselves after a maximum of 6 months on the dole should be found work to do at a minimum wage level - building roads, sweeping streets, whatever is needed - under constant supervision of course.

Fifth, No rent allowance. If you're not prepared to work hard enough to pay for somewhere to live then the state will provide you with somewhere to live - this will in effect be a workhouse where you work to cover your rent and food on basic light industrial/manufacturing work

fly_agaric

nlgbbbblth wrote:

There is a certain element of right-on middle class self-loathing around the place.

Not something you see much of on boards.ie though is it with the endless "Yay - Lets exterminate those scumbags because they stink up the place" threads.

stp wrote:

different kind of scum there though, it's more racial i found.

That's just because Ireland was a homogenous monoculture until recently so the underclass causing problems is totally Irish rather than alot of it being the kids of immigrants. That'll change soon though!

But hey - makes it much easier for idiots to demonise en-masse without worrying their pretty little noggins that they might be racist bigots!

Because being a racist bigot is so not cool today you know - but spewing your venom at a group of "scum" whose definition you can adjust according to pc dictates is just too much fun to pass up!

magpie wrote:

there are equal opportunites for everyone, access to education being the primary one.

LOL magpie - so we live in some ideal meritocracy! Pull the other one, eh! We've a bit to go yet.

Karl Hungus

Anyone who thinks cutting benifits would have any positive impact is being a little niave.

Sadly, we're living in a world where the scum out there would syringe you for your mobile phone. I'd say that kind of person would rather go out and steal all he can get his hands on rather than work for a day. Second of all, that kind of person would be incredibly detrimental to the workforce. Bad enough coming across someone like that on your way home from the pub, but having to work with them?

dr.bollocko wrote:

And then you have the gall to say that I am getting off topic?
Well ****, Im getting off topic? Glad you berated me on my "off-topic post" for a good long page before you pointed out that I am getting off topic. That was a brilliant move out of you.

There is a difference between saying "We're getting off topic" and "You're getting off topic." Realise that, and in future don't run off on a rant for the sake of it.

dr.bollocko

fly_agaric wrote:

Not something you see much of on boards.ie though is it with the endless "Yay - Lets exterminate those scumbags because they stink up the place" threads.



That's just because Ireland was a homogenous monoculture until recently so the underclass causing problems is totally Irish rather than alot of it being the kids of immigrants. That'll change soon though!

But hey - makes it much easier for idiots to demonise en-masse without worrying their pretty little noggins that they might be racist bigots!

Because being a racist bigot is so not cool today you know - but spewing your venom at a group of "scum" whose definition you can adjust according to pc dictates is just too much fun to pass up!



LOL magpie - so we live in some ideal meritocracy! Pull the other one, eh! We've a bit to go yet.

I had a homogenous monoculture for breakfast this morning.

So other than that, what you seem to be saying is kinda lost, mainly becuase of the judgemental mono-liberal idealess 'tudes and notions you spout so freely, like a verbose Geyser.
But Verbal diorrheah is flowing out and the chunks of peanut seem to be related to saying that it aint cool to redefine a racist or bigotted opinion based on PC dictums, and that the only point of this thread is "scum" bashing.
But we are talking about a problem of anti-social behaviour on our streets every day and trying to see where a solution can come from.
The problem is caused by people. These people share some common characteristics and to save time, occasionally people use words like "knacker". It is unfortunate that this wording does not include a half-page to a page long disclaimer indicating that political correctness is in fact important to the OP and we do not wish to offend anyone, specifically for verbose liberals with no opinions. Words like "scum" "scumbag" etc. are just as likely to come up on one side as words like "racist" and "bigot" to come up on the other. So thanks for balancing out the see-saw and all that but what you are saying, in essence, is that we no longer are allowed to use the words necessary to define a problem. And yet you are allowed use words like "ideal meritocracy" And not get beaten about the head.

Degsy

Its the bloody parents fault because they dont give a damn.Where i grew up there was an estate not far from me where all the scumbags came from,they'd been moved out there from the north inner city in the late sixties and they were the ones causing all teh hassle in the school.Before i started goingto that school i'd never seen ten year olds drinking,smoking or stealing stuff,running amok and assaulting teachers.Years later i was looking through Thom's directory of that area and an inordinatly large number of houses in the are a had no man's name on the deeds,they were all MissThis and Miss That..the kids had no fathers and it was obvious that the mothers either didnt care or couldnt cope.Its the same today,the tracksuit-wearing buggy pushers you see screaming at thier children or staggering around whilst heavily pregnant are ensuring the line is carried on.If we could put some form of sterilising agent into john player blue or dutch gold the problem would resolve itself in a generation.

dr.bollocko

Yeah. But still nobody has found a solution that doesnt involve
a) pretending they arent there
b) Kill / maim / jail indiscriminately
c) Sterilise 'em
d) Take back alladat free money wot we give 'em.

There must be some sort of non-nazi way of doing things.
Even if it is less fun.

Degsy

dr.bollocko wrote:

Yeah. But still nobody has found a solution that doesnt involve
a) pretending they arent there
b) Kill / maim / jail indiscriminately
c) Sterilise 'em
d) Take back alladat free money wot we give 'em.

There must be some sort of non-nazi way of doing things.
Even if it is less fun.

Build a scum-free utopia under the sea and let them have the terrestrial world.They'll be all gone in a hundred years or so and we could rise from the waves and re-inherit the earth!Who's with me?

Karl Hungus

dr.bollocko wrote:

Yeah. But still nobody has found a solution that doesnt involve
a) pretending they arent there
b) Kill / maim / jail indiscriminately
c) Sterilise 'em
d) Take back alladat free money wot we give 'em.

There must be some sort of non-nazi way of doing things.
Even if it is less fun.

My solution would be:

1) A boot-camp like program to send the young ones to if they step out of line, where they get all the discipline of the military, without any kind of weapons training.

2) Public humiliation as a punishment for crimes. Face it, getting holed up in the joy is like a badge of honour for some people, getting arrested is the mark of a hard man. Put them on display wearing a dunces cap where all their friends and family can see them, and ridicule them, they wouldn't be as quick to be bold again. The dunces cap isn't really nessicary, just put them in any position where they look like an eejit to their friends, and they'll keep their heads down in future.

TequilaMockingBird

I was at the races during the summer (usually a traveller/scumbag free event), when a large family of travellers arrived. The men all hit the bookies and the bar, while the women and kids were left on the benchs. Probably 6 or 7 women, grandmothers to teenage mothers. One young Mum had a crawling little boy who has Downs Syndrome. As Downs Syndrome kids tend to, his tongue was sometimes sticking out. Everytime he did this the mother slapped him on the mouth. She did this while chatting to the other women and feeding him. I felt sick. An animal wouldn't do that to its young. So this is how these kids are reared, what hope have they (or the rest of us in the future when they've grown up)?

Don't bother telling me I should have intervened. I was busy trying to not let my child see what was happening, never mind her seeing her mother get a hiding.

fly_agaric

dr.bollocko wrote:

I had a homogenous monoculture for breakfast this morning.

Yeah? Apologies for that. I hope it didn't repeat on you.:(

dr.bollocko wrote:

So other than that, what you seem to be saying is kinda lost, mainly becuase of the judgemental mono-liberal idealess 'tudes and notions you spout so freely, like a verbose Geyser.

I didn't use many big words (I've used far less words than you on this thread) and my point wasn't that hard to understand. Seems you didn't understand it at all. So again...

French Arab gouger causing trouble = poor youth suffering from racism, loss of identity blah blah etc etc. How very twagic!
Irish gouger causing trouble = a "knacker"/"scumbag" who shooting is too good for.
Do you smell the hypocrisy, contradiction...

The reason for this is political correctness.

Calling the Arab/African immigrants kids "scum" and talking about wiping them out or putting them in camps would be racist but calling the exact Irish equivalent "scum" and talking about wiping them out is not racist so people feel comfortable posting it here.

Even thought its the same pretty sick thing of taking a whole group of people, categorising them as dross, and talking about getting rid of them somehow as a valid solution.

dr.bollocko wrote:

Verbal diorrheah

Again you've soiled your own nappy a fair bit on this thread. I don't think I even addressed you in my post so I don't know why you are so píssed off really.

dr.bollocko wrote:

the only point of this thread is "scum" bashing

Most of the posts on the thread are just "scum bashing".

dr.bollocko wrote:

But we are talking about a problem of anti-social behaviour on our streets every day and trying to see where a solution can come from.

Good for you. Carry on. Please don't let my "verbal diahorrea" stop you or anyone else coming up with solutions to societies' problems during your lunch time!
If you invent cold fusion on your day off I want a slice of the cash.

dr.bollocko wrote:

So thanks for balancing out the see-saw and all that but what you are saying, in essence, is that we no longer are allowed to use the words necessary to define a problem.

No. Use the labels you want. Just don't think its okay to spout half-joking-wholly-in-earnest about Nazi shít like putting people into camps, forced sterilisation, forced labour etc...because the "scum" is messing up your nice tidy (er, no, I take that back! This is Ireland.) city streets the way the Nazis thought the gypsies were fouling up central Europe!

dr.bollocko wrote:

And yet you are allowed use words like "ideal meritocracy" And not get beaten about the head.

Fanny Cradock

fly_agaric wrote:

Calling the Arab/African immigrants kids "scum" and talking about wiping them out or putting them in camps would be racist but calling the exact Irish equivalent "scum" and talking about wiping them out is not racist so people feel comfortable posting it here.

Knackers aren't a race, so I don't see how it can be deemed racist to criticise them. It would appear that the riots in France were a direct result of some social injustice (perceived or otherwise) that exists in that society. Knackers, on the other hand, are not rebelling against what they see as some inequality; they’re just being pricks for the sake of it.

Dooom

Fascism ftw...