Knackers, crazy foam and a perfect day

Karl Hungus

Deleted User wrote:

Travellers aren't all that bad though. The majority of the ones I've met have been decent enough. If the young ones cause any hassle, find out who their parents are and tell them. Morethanlikely they wont be too happy to hear bout it.

Yeah, big family of travellers live not so far from me, although I wouldn't say they aren't all that bad. One of the little ones tried to make me flinch when I was walking home from the shop by hiting the bush near me with a stick and telling me how he'll break my glasses. I told him his brothers wouldn't like to hear that he's been acting the maggot, and the look on his face when he heard his brothers' names. I was giggling all the way home then I can tell you.

Terry

stepbar wrote:

Well nothing suprises me anymore..., I was walking down to the green on thurs to catch the Luas, was about 7pm. Seen a load of knackers at the front entrance to the park across from the sc. Got my ticket and went off to get something to drink. Lone behold knacker in celtic jersey proceeds to whip out his lad and piss up against a lamp post, the dirty bastard...:eek: Coming back on the Luas a lad hopped on clearly out of it on drugs chatting away on the mobile with his dealer to set up his next fix. I thought to myself what is Dublin coming too.....

dude, the junkies are not new to Dublin. theve been there for well over 30 years now.

stepbar

Just using these to highlight two seperate events that happened on the same eve... was more discusted by the lad pissing against the lamppost TBH.. theres a lad who had **** all respect for his city

Pigman II

Fanny Cradock wrote:

I felt ashamed for my nation. Of all the places I've travelled I've never encountered knackers like Irish knackers.

Ashamed for the nation? Try feeling ashamed for yourself. You're part of society too. If you had a problem with that knackers behavior then you should have stood in and done something.

People standing around moaning but doing nothing is why people like that will continue doing as they please.

Alter-Ego

My usual "knacker" experience;

Knakcer: "Get yer hair cuh"

Me: "Thats original"

Knacker: *Confused Look*

I live in a small town and i can't say they bother me that much. They're all talk and if they say anything then say something back. Thats life i guess, people are assholes.

Archeron

Pigman II wrote:

Ashamed for the nation? Try feeling ashamed for yourself. You're part of society too. If you had a problem with that knackers behavior then you should have stood in and done something.

People standing around moaning but doing nothing is why people like that will continue doing as they please.

Perhaps they should start handing out batons to tourists in Dublin Airport. Welcome to the city, best arm yourself now.

I can see where you are coming from on this, but to be fair, the levels of apathy among so may of Dublins population would mean that anyone who did step in and try and do something would swiftly find themselves at the end of a harsh kicking, with no-one to come to their aid. Its all well and good dying a martyr, but not for that cause of trying to stop anti social behaviour on our streets when there is a squad car illegally parked up the road with the actual police no where to be seen.Dont get me wrong, i know the guards cant be everywhere at once, but it should not be the responsibilty of the general population to have to stop this type of behaviour on our streets. God knows there are enough people employed in various civic positions so that the responsibility for the day to day safety of Dublins citizens should not be something that is ever called into question; certainly not to the point we are at now.

Interestingly enough there was an article in last nights Herald (:rolleyes: ) that showcased Irelands couldnt give a damn attitude perfectly. The writer witnessed some sort of appalling event on a bus, (she didnt specify what, but it seemed to be some of physical abuse by scummer 1 on scummer 2). When she stood up to to speak against it, everyone else on the bus buried their heads in their books and ipods and let her take whatever flack was coming.

Like another poster said, I have been quite a few cities around the world, and none seem to have that nasty element that Dublin has. I dont agree with the concept of just killing these people of blowing them up, but something certainly needs to be done, before Dublins reputation is ireperably damaged. As it is, I try to go into Dublin as little as possible and these scumbags are certainly one of main reasons why. Sad really, considering I am from Dublin, and I love the place.

Fanny Cradock

Pigman II wrote:

Ashamed for the nation? Try feeling ashamed for yourself. You're part of society too. If you had a problem with that knackers behavior then you should have stood in and done something.

People standing around moaning but doing nothing is why people like that will continue doing as they please.

please, keep your self righteous sh1te to yourself. if we stepped in it would have escalated into a fight. i didnt fancy getting glass in the face. i wish i was as tough, brave and manly as you, pigmanII, but alas...

maybe you should form a vigilante group and show us what a real man would do instead of posting judgemental crap like above.

Pigman II

Fanny Cradock wrote:

please, keep your self righteous sh1te to yourself. if we stepped in it would have escalated into a fight. i didnt fancy getting glass in the face. i wish i was as tough, brave and manly as you, pigmanII, but alas...

maybe you should form a vigilante group and show us what a real man would do instead of posting judgemental crap like above.

Ooh er, check out her!

You didn't have to go in fists raised you fool. All you had to do do was tell the knack to take a walk and that'd have been that. You even said yourself that knack#2 wasn't up for it so you were already 3 against 1 if you and your friend had had a pair of balls between you. The guy might have had a few words but he would have backed down and more imporantly would think twice about acting the maggot like that again.

But anyway thanks for regailing us your tail of how people are letting this country down from the lofty heights of that rock you hide under.

Fanny Cradock

Pigman II wrote:

Ooh er, check out her!

You didn't have to go in fists raised you fool. All you had to do do was tell the knack to take a walk and that'd have been that. You even said yourself that knack#2 wasn't up for it so you were already 3 against 1 if you and your friend had had a pair of balls between you. The guy might have had a few words but he would have backed down and more imporantly would think twice about acting the maggot like that again.

But anyway thanks for regailing us your tail of how people are letting this country down from the lofty heights of that rock you hide under.

I must say that I am surprised by your reaction, pigman. The rock I hide under you say? Letting the country down am I? If only I had your super powers of clairvoyance and the ability to pass blanket judgements on others, pigman, then I, too, could know outcome of every future event and also look down on people. Why don't you regale me with the legends of your brave feats.

Terry

ahh, be quiet, the pair of you.

Pigman II

julep wrote:

ahh, be quiet, the pair of you.

Ah be quiet yourself.

Fanny Cradock wrote:

I must say that I am surprised by your reaction, pigman. The rock I hide under you say? Letting the country down am I? If only I had your super powers of clairvoyance and the ability to pass blanket judgements on others, pigman, then I, too, could know outcome of every future event and also look down on people. Why don't you regale me with the legends of your brave feats.

Thanks for the PM on the matter. I especially enjoyed the bit where you call me a "sycophantic ****" btw :rolleyes: Anyway I've sent you a reply PM with what you requested so that you can rest easy on the matter.

exiztone

I think we need a party who will pursue a zero tolerance crime system. If they were reported, which they weren't, they might do a few months in The Joy. Afterwards, provided they haven't been killed in there :rolleyes: they'll walk out with no aspirations or prospects and put on their burberry caps.

I think a good Minister of Justice should have them begging for their lives... it would also be just to humiliate them.

junkyard

A lot of the trouble we have today stems for the elimination of corporal punishment in schools. Within days of this being implemented five year old were standing up to their teachers and giving them grief. The reason we have so many scumbags today is because the legal system we have here is too politically correct for its own good and the government won't spend enough money on Police and the prison service. I think prisons should be self sufficient like in the U.S., not only would it keep the scumbags busy when they are in there but it wouldn't cost the taxpayer so much either. The Police should also be issued with pepper spray at least for their own protection. As for knackers the f***ers should be shot on sight, you just can't trust them, two years ago the b***ards robbed my car transporter and when I reported it to the Police they looked at me with surprise and asked me what were they supposed to do about it, needless to say I didn't see it since.:mad:

Dyr

junkyard wrote:

A when I reported it to the Police they looked at me with surprise and asked me what were they supposed to do about it, needless to say I didn't see it since.:mad:

he i love that line from the gardai, apparently they made it through templemore without anyone showing them a job description :eek:

bug

They really piss me off and the worst thing is, no body can do anything.

I have been living in Bostoin for the last 6 months and yeah you get assholes here but nothing like Knackers and scum bags back home. Only in Ireland. I like this idea of sending them to war.... hmmmmmm.....if only!

hrm, I hear the UN are looking for a few people to send to the leb.

should be sort of a three strikes and your into boot camp situation.
Teach them the dicipline they never learned.

This would be assuming we actually lived in a state where the police actually policed though.. so, doubt it would work.

Fanny Cradock

I'm not so sure that training an emotionally ****ed person to be a professional killer is such a good idea.

exiztone

How would/should Ireland go about pursuing such an idea? I believe in a coercian/conciliation deal. Whereby offenders have many options to rehabilitate, e.g. many programs to get them into a variety of jobs and clear their history. But if they offend, especially in cases like the above where it's degrading to others, they should be made examples of...

I wouldn't say no to putting repeat offenders through a system of torture. Beat them close to death every other day until they get the idea.

Most people won't accept such ideas though... they think it's society's fault they're like that which justifies their antisocial behaviour. :mad:

dSTAR

Sgt. Sensible wrote:

That's one of the reasons I left Dublin. Scangers at it during the day and yuppies and students at it at night. Like an evil tag team...

This is one of the reasons I will most likely never return to Dublin. I have two young daughters and I would be very apprehensive about taking them to visit their grandparents in Dublin. It just seems to be getting worse with unemployed, drunken scumbags all over the place.

I can take my daughters into to the CBD in Melbourne at any time of the day or night and still feel relatively safe. My solution would be to put them in detention centres indefinitely or tattoo a big X on their forehead with the words Shoot Here underneath! :cool:

smk135

Spike wrote:

Hmm, interesting idea. But the only equipment they get to clear the fields with should be ridiculously oversized clown shoes. With metal weights in them, just to make sure.

hahahaha, that post and Mr Bollockos post have actually made me laugh out loud...!!!

(Bollockos one where he retaliates bout the ull stop thing)

hahaha

smk135

hahaha (again sorry!) to Spike, Bollocko and Nick...brilliant posts!!!

otherwise, to respond to the whole riots that went on in France, i am just back from having lived there for 7 years, and first of all, let me just say that what you saw on TV here was totally exagerated.

also, after having lived in the south of France, i got to the know the muslims/north africans/ more frequently referred to simply as "arabes" over there, and when i first arrivedthere i thought everyone was racist. then i got to know them and the only time i would feel unsafe walking the streets of MOntpellier was when they were hanging around. and the only stabbings or violence you would read about was from them.

also, they are like the Irish and English in Irish ubs abroad> they live in France, get every penny out of the government, make absolutely nooo effort to integrate and then bloody whinge and moan about how ****e France is. not to mention the fact that they are genuinely the nackers of France. so it pisses me off to hear about poor little them and their riots.

on the other hand, i do feel for them cause they have a huuuuge identity crisis going on and that defo ****s them up which is another opic altogether. but there defo is a lack of effort on their behalf and it would be safer in France without them.

im going to shutup now.

cornbb

So does anyone propose a solution to this major social problem that doesn't resort to Naziism? Cause all of this "round up and shoot/conscript the scumbags" talk is incredibly ignorant and laughable bullsh1t.

Tak3n

cornbb wrote:

So does anyone propose a solution to this major social problem that doesn't resort to Naziism? Cause all of this "round up and shoot/conscript the scumbags" talk is incredibly ignorant and laughable bullsh1t.

Cut social benefits off from people who havn't worked in 6+ months.. unless they have a genuine reason for not working. Force them into the world of normal people...

exiztone

They'd probably tear up the streets since they have an excuse to riot in protest. Seriously, corporal punishment all the way. It works!

dSTAR

cornbb wrote:

So does anyone propose a solution to this major social problem that doesn't resort to Naziism? Cause all of this "round up and shoot/conscript the scumbags" talk is incredibly ignorant and laughable bullsh1t.

OK maybe the round them up and shoot mentality is an extreme reaction to a situation that is spiralling out of control which neither the Gardai or Government want to deal with.

Can I ask if you have ever had someone close to you attacked so badly by scumbags that they were left unrecognisable?

I honestly don't think there is a solution to help these social misfits become productive members of society that does not involve drastic measures.

Pandering to these thugs with wishy washy responses is gutless.

Smurfpiss

All these violent solutions, while darkly hilarious, won't solve anything.
And if you try setting up conscription sure they'll be the first to dodge.
My solution is simple but effective.
Ban the sale of all sports clothing.
Eventually they'll have to dress like us and may even integrate into society...
(just don't breed with them)

LegacyUser

i was in helsinki recently, great city, very chilled, clean and safe.

coming back to dublin, it only highlighted how bad our scumbag problem is here.

they're like a cancer.

i've been to quite a few countries, the only place that i'd compare, as far as scum goes, is london.

different kind of scum there though, it's more racial i found.

we seem to have our own unique brand of scumbag, and it really is getting out of hand.

so what's a realistic solution to rid our country of this cancer.....

there's the liberal side, and the not so liberal, lock em all up side.

i think the 3 strike rule is fair enough. i mean give em the chance to get their 5hit together, courses, drug programmes etc... but 3 strikes, bang em up for 20 years, get em off the streets.

i reckon we'd need alot more prisons, but tbh, i'd prefer em locked up, than poluting our streets.

but, at over 40k a year, to lock one of these up for a year, it could get a little pricey.

nlgbbbblth

julep wrote:

those dudes from blackrock college would be scumbags in my eyes, but most people here seem to think that scumbags are only present in working class areas.

In my experience the Blackrock Anabels / tennis players beating up librarian type incidents are the exception rather than the rule and are given excessive coverage by the media.

There is a certain element of right-on middle class self-loathing around the place. I remember reading an article in the Irish Times magazine in which a trendy graphic designer was interviewed about his new pad in Stoneybatter. He was very keen to point out that he 'always wanted to live in an authentic inner-city neighbourhood instead of an anonymous and boring suburban estate full of anonymous and boring people'. Naturally his neighbours were 'the salt of the earth' despite them robbing his bicycle and breaking a small window on a visitor's car. His willingness to justify their behaviour was laughable. If a bunch of posh rugger buggers nicked his bicycle he would have had a totally different outlook.

dr.bollocko

Karl Hungus wrote:

Blah blah blah....


Being in a privileged position ourselves (Which obviously includes you) you somehow feel in a position to berate others for commenting on the motivations behind a race riot, but then you go and make your own commentary on the motivations. Surely you saw the irony when you wrote this?

Blah blah blah....

Anyway, I think we're getting a little off-topic here.
Blah moan blah

I didnt berate anyone about commentating on a race riot. I just stated the difference between street violence and race riots and why one is not the same as the other, and why one cannot be called the other.
I also did not BERATE anyone, I offered an alternative opinion. Thats what its called when someone has a different opinion to you, its called having a different opinion, its allowed, maybe not on boards but certainly in the real world.
Though if you want a verbal berating you have warmed me up from a cold start. (As the actress said to the bishop)

And then you have the gall to say that I am getting off topic?
Well ****, Im getting off topic? Glad you berated me on my "off-topic post" for a good long page before you pointed out that I am getting off topic. That was a brilliant move out of you.

magpie

There is a certain element of right-on middle class self-loathing around the place. I remember reading an article in the Irish Times magazine in which a trendy graphic designer was interviewed about his new pad in Stoneybatter. He was very keen to point out that he 'always wanted to live in an authentic inner-city neighbourhood instead of an anonymous and boring suburban estate full of anonymous and boring people'. Naturally his neighbours were 'the salt of the earth' despite them robbing his bicycle and breaking a small window on a visitor's car. His willingness to justify their behaviour was laughable. If a bunch of posh rugger buggers nicked his bicycle he would have had a totally different outlook.

Precisely.

To be honest, times have moved on and there are equal opportunites for everyone, access to education being the primary one.

I think its time to roll back the nanny state that allows so many people to lead their lives like children free of responsibility as they know they will never go hungry.

First, sell off the entire stock of council housing - give first refusal to the current tenants (at full market rate). This will greatly alleviate pressure on housing in cities and also wake the 'working classes' up to the reality of the 'cushy' middle class existence (enormous mortgage payments for starters). For those who don't wish to purchase there is plenty of rental accomodation available. This will also have the distinct advantage of breaking up the 'bolt hole' mentality where anything goes - by living among normal working people they will learn what is and what is not acceptable. The revenue generated from the sale of the housing stock can be put into building better roads and infrastructure (see poinit 4 below).

Second, disenfranchise anyone on benefits. No tax payments? No say in how the country is run.

Third, reduce benefits to a basic subsistence level. No money for booze unless you work.

Fourth, anyone unable or unwilling to fend for themselves after a maximum of 6 months on the dole should be found work to do at a minimum wage level - building roads, sweeping streets, whatever is needed - under constant supervision of course.

Fifth, No rent allowance. If you're not prepared to work hard enough to pay for somewhere to live then the state will provide you with somewhere to live - this will in effect be a workhouse where you work to cover your rent and food on basic light industrial/manufacturing work

fly_agaric

nlgbbbblth wrote:

There is a certain element of right-on middle class self-loathing around the place.

Not something you see much of on boards.ie though is it with the endless "Yay - Lets exterminate those scumbags because they stink up the place" threads.

stp wrote:

different kind of scum there though, it's more racial i found.

That's just because Ireland was a homogenous monoculture until recently so the underclass causing problems is totally Irish rather than alot of it being the kids of immigrants. That'll change soon though!

But hey - makes it much easier for idiots to demonise en-masse without worrying their pretty little noggins that they might be racist bigots!

Because being a racist bigot is so not cool today you know - but spewing your venom at a group of "scum" whose definition you can adjust according to pc dictates is just too much fun to pass up!

magpie wrote:

there are equal opportunites for everyone, access to education being the primary one.

LOL magpie - so we live in some ideal meritocracy! Pull the other one, eh! We've a bit to go yet.