Metal movie

rock bottom

Hey people,

I'm writing a screenplay for a movie about a bunch of metalheads on a road-trip to a Festival, and my question to you is this: Would you prefer to see such a film set in the late 1980's or today?

This question is mainly for people of 24 and under, because a) You're the main age group I'm writing the film for, and b) everyone around my age (I'm 35) would probably say the late 80's anyway.

Can you relate to the music from that time (Megadeth, Slayer, Metallica, Maiden, Judas Priest, glam stuff like Motley Crue, Alice Cooper, Twisted Sister, KISS, early Guns, etc)?

What do you think of the metal uniform from that time (denim jackets covered in patches)?

On the other hand, would you more relate to a story if it was about your generation, set in modern times, and featuring more contemporary bands like HIM, Bullet for My Valentine, Fall Out Boy, System of a Down, My Chemical Romance, etc, etc?

Do you think the metal scene is better/worse today than what it was like in the late 80's?

Feedback would be hugely appreciated!

Crucifix

Musically I'd prefer the eighties, but there's no reason why it can't be set in the modern day and still be about older music.

It wasn't me!

Denim jackets and patches are still the uniform. Go for the eighties, it'd be more fun. Also, better music.

timmy69

id like to see one of today to be honest because rock is less popular today than it was in the 80s..

christophicus

Deffinatly go for today, no offence or anything but if it was set in the 80's i would say it would kind of get laughed at what with the styles and all.

The only decent band you mentioned out of the modern ones is system of a down, I think you can do alot better in terms of metal then the rest.

Tar.Aldarion

Apart from SOAD, the modern list is dire, eighties all the way for me!
Recent would be interesting with good bands, I don't want to watch emos cry on the wat to a concert.

Modern day, with the old bands sounds best.

mayordenis

80's would draw too many comparisons with Detroit Rock City in my opinion,
while the music was better by a country mile i'd have to go with modern day.

Patricide

you could do it in modern day with bands like slayer megadeth anthrax and exodus and the like theve been around since the 80s and are still giging today and are as popular as ever plus you could relate to two age groups instead of one its not like the new generation isnt interested in em as there some of the biggest metal bands out there.

Blowfish

rock bottom wrote:

On the other hand, would you more relate to a story if it was about your generation, set in modern times, and featuring more contemporary bands like HIM, Bullet for My Valentine, Fall Out Boy, System of a Down, My Chemical Romance, etc, etc?

Ugh! most of those are emo anyway, if you were going to write it about modern metal, I would definitely choose different bands. Personally though, I would still prefer one set in the 80's

Karl Hungus

rock bottom wrote:

Hey people,

I'm writing a screenplay for a movie about a bunch of metalheads on a road-trip to a Festival, and my question to you is this: Would you prefer to see such a film set in the late 1980's or today?

This question is mainly for people of 24 and under, because a) You're the main age group I'm writing the film for, and b) everyone around my age (I'm 35) would probably say the late 80's anyway.

Can you relate to the music from that time (Megadeth, Slayer, Metallica, Maiden, Judas Priest, glam stuff like Motley Crue, Alice Cooper, Twisted Sister, KISS, early Guns, etc)?

What do you think of the metal uniform from that time (denim jackets covered in patches)?

On the other hand, would you more relate to a story if it was about your generation, set in modern times, and featuring more contemporary bands like HIM, Bullet for My Valentine, Fall Out Boy, System of a Down, My Chemical Romance, etc, etc?

Do you think the metal scene is better/worse today than what it was like in the late 80's?

Feedback would be hugely appreciated!

I think that the concept is sound, but the problem here is that the question you're asking isn't so much 'Old vs. New' as that it is 'Good vs. a steaming pile of ****!'

Barring System Of A Down, the bands you mention as contemporary are dreadful Emo garbage.

There's no reason it cannot be set in modern times, and also feature good metal bands. Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, aswell as countless other great bands from that era are all still going and still touring. There's also plenty of other fantastic contemporary metal bands like Opeth, Dream Theater, Dragonforce, Arch Enemy, Children Of Bodom and hundreds more.

I'd say a film set today can easily feature the best of both worlds.

rock bottom

Karl Hungus wrote:

I think that the concept is sound, but the problem here is that the question you're asking isn't so much 'Old vs. New' as that it is 'Good vs. a steaming pile of ****!'

Barring System Of A Down, the bands you mention as contemporary are dreadful Emo garbage.

There's no reason it cannot be set in modern times, and also feature good metal bands. Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, aswell as countless other great bands from that era are all still going and still touring. There's also plenty of other fantastic contemporary metal bands like Opeth, Dream Theater, Dragonforce, Arch Enemy, Children Of Bodom and hundreds more.

I'd say a film set today can easily feature the best of both worlds.

This is extremely good s**t. Thanks Karl and to you all. It's good to know that the stuff I loved when I was 17 is still appreciated today (and there's yet to be anything as intense as Reign In Blood!). Gonna go out tomorrow and buy the contemporary stuff you mentioned above.

But what about the uniform - the visual crux of the movie? It seems in my day we spent loads more time sewing patches onto jackets. 17-year-olds specialising in needlework for f**** sake! Would that make a better visual picture, compared to uniform today, or not?

This will be an Almost Famous of metal - I just want to make it the best it can be...

Karl Hungus

rock bottom wrote:

This is extremely good s**t. Thanks Karl and to you all. It's good to know that the stuff I loved when I was 17 is still appreciated today (and there's yet to be anything as intense as Reign In Blood!). Gonna go out tomorrow and buy the contemporary stuff you mentioned above.

But what about the uniform - the visual crux of the movie? It seems in my day we spent loads more time sewing patches onto jackets. 17-year-olds specialising in needlework for f**** sake! Would that make a better visual picture, compared to uniform today, or not?

This will be an Almost Famous of metal - I just want to make it the best it can be...

Well what do you consider the 'uniform' of today?

Dathai

Would you prefer specialising in needlework, or specialising in hair dying & makeup?

*rubs his patched denim vest*

I know plenty of older metallers that wear them, most in the range of 25-40 and some older that still wear them.Not everyday of course, but at some gigs/festivals.
Why make a film about a decade of music who's style you dont like?

DublinWriter

rock bottom wrote:

I'm writing a screenplay for a movie about a bunch of metalheads on a road-trip to a Festival, and my question to you is this: Would you prefer to see such a film set in the late 1980's or today?

It's been done, and done well.

Go watch Comic Strip's Bad News and More Bad News.

Steoob

what could the plot possibly be for a movie like this? 80's metal movies have been done to death and imo, even tho i love metal, it has turned into complete **** of late.. with the only few good bands being lamb of god, opeth... i actually cant think of anymore off the top of my head

the "metal" scene to the common folk now is a bunch of dad hating sideways hair cut emo losers hanging out outside the central bank and it ****ing sickens me

MagnumForce

I'd go for the eighties, cos there would be a better atmosphere and better chance for additions and directions for the plot, as opposed to a modern day emo ****e version which would just be them on a bus complaining about their bollox lives, theyd be too apathetic to get into crazy situations.

The eighties bands that you listed had a better energy and pull also, their fans were better than modern day bands (ie new ones, not bands still around from the eighties). As for making it about bands that are still around from the eighties, then theres no reason you cant make it about The Crue, Twisted Sister, Alice Cooper, Kiss, Priest, Slayer etc anyway but set in the modern day, taking Wacken or the Gods of Metal festivals as an example, and you could still have elements of newer metal aswell, which could lead to interaction between old and new.

As for the uniform, im all for denim, but for the love of god, dont forget the leather! and gnarly blue 501s and boots/sneakers(anthrax style)/cowboy boots. and none of the main caractures should have short hair, that would be disgraceful!

Karl Hungus

MagnumForce wrote:

I'd go for the eighties, cos there would be a better atmosphere and better chance for additions and directions for the plot, as opposed to a modern day emo ****e version which would just be them on a bus complaining about their bollox lives, theyd be too apathetic to get into crazy situations.

Sorry man, but it's just silly to think that if it was in modern times that it would have to be about Emo.

MagnumForce

Karl Hungus wrote:

Sorry man, but it's just silly to think that if it was in modern times that it would have to be about Emo.

oh i know yeah, i was just using emo as an example because its popular at the moment. I did say later in my post that it would be good if it was about eighties bands in the present day, if you'll notice.

Pugsley

Good metal is still being made to day, and played at huge festivals, ie: Wacken
Emperor, Morbid Angel, Children of Bodom, Atheist, Nevermore, Aborted, Opeth, Soilwork, Amon Amarth, Arch Enemy, Celtic Frost, Motorhead, Wintersun.

Theres no reason if your going to do a film based on a metal festival it has to be one of them dire money spinner ones (Download anyone?), and with a 50,000 people crowd, you cant say people dont still listen to good music.

DublinWriter

rock bottom wrote:

But what about the uniform - the visual crux of the movie? It seems in my day we spent loads more time sewing patches onto jackets.

I'll see your patches and go you one more.

A friend of mine was a big metal fan back in the 80's. When I say metal, I really mean Bon Jovi, Stryker, that sort of lameosity.

He came from a small village in N.I. and wanted to get his long hair permed. The only place in the village he could get it done was an old-lady type hair salon. Picture the tableau...him under the hair-drying helmet sandwiched in between the blue rinse brigade. The shop had a fairly big front window and who should stroll by but all his fellow metal chums from the town. Much mirth ensued.

rock bottom

Karl Hungus wrote:

Well what do you consider the 'uniform' of today?

I see a lot of hoodies and a lot of t-shirts, shorter hair and no bullet belts! Rarely do I see the kutte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutte, patch jackets, that my generation used to spend hours slaving over. Probably a different matter somewhere like Germany, but doesn't seem to be as common any more in Ireland. Or am I wrong?

Oh, and DubWriter, not only have I seen those movies, but I saw Bad News live! The crowd drenched them with bottles of piss and Rik Mayall said something like "We're pretty heavy drinkers, but I don't know how we're going to get through this lot." They were hilarious, but the music was appalling, and they didn't do anything to dispel the cliche of the idiot metalhead...

kona

dude, are you ripping this off that film that was out at the easter time,??? there is a film being made about motley crue too, im 19 and id say 80s all the way, there are better stories and tbh modern music sucks, the fans suck and its boring, they are playin 80s music on 98fm for ****s sake!!!!
i wish i was around in the 80s to enjoy the crue in their hey day!!!

Motley Crue

rock bottom wrote:

Hey people,

Hey

rock bottom wrote:

I'm writing a screenplay for a movie about a bunch of metalheads on a road-trip to a Festival, and my question to you is this: Would you prefer to see such a film set in the late 1980's or today?!

late 80s, it reminds me of a script i wrote recently myself about a group of guys from rural Ireland who form a Glam band in 80s Ireland and head to LA, defo 80s, more excess...and the fact that they're coming from an 80s Ireland gives a sense of ultimate struggle financially and socially

rock bottom wrote:

This question is mainly for people of 24 and under, because a) You're the main age group I'm writing the film for, and b) everyone around my age (I'm 35) would probably say the late 80's anyway.

OK, but i still say the 80s

rock bottom wrote:

Can you relate to the music from that time (Megadeth, Slayer, Metallica, Maiden, Judas Priest, glam stuff like Motley Crue, Alice Cooper, Twisted Sister, KISS, early Guns, etc)?

Yes, I'd relate more to that then I would the music now...the music now really sucks, except for the bands rippin off the 80s stuff, like Crash Diet, Hardcore Superstar, AX7, Gemini5, Murderdolls etc

rock bottom wrote:

What do you think of the metal uniform from that time (denim jackets covered in patches)?

Denim, with a leather patch, snakeskin boots for the rich ones...leather pants if you can afford them...a grubby Metallica T-Shirt you've worn everyday for the past 4 years...and a roughly shaven face (think Metallica on their Kill Em All sleeve in 1983)

rock bottom wrote:

On the other hand, would you more relate to a story if it was about your generation, set in modern times, and featuring more contemporary bands like HIM, Bullet for My Valentine, Fall Out Boy, System of a Down, My Chemical Romance, etc, etc?

No, absolutely not, with the exception of BFMV all those bands you mentioned just sucked...I cant relate to modern music, its too Grunge/EMO driven and far too depressing. Murderdolls may be 'tounge in cheek' but its a laugh. I suppose if you used the Glam bands of today it would be cool also

rock bottom wrote:

Do you think the metal scene is better/worse today than what it was like in the late 80's?

Mainstream Metal, like the bands you mentioned in your previous question, makes it far worse....however, there are bands, like Stone Sour...which come along from time to time and offer hope. Generally, as a rule, the usual EMO bands of today are crap, but the movement coming out of Scandinavia and England at the moment focusing on 80s excess is good

rock bottom wrote:

Feedback would be hugely appreciated!

Hope this helps, good luck

Motley Crue

kona wrote:

dude, are you ripping this off that film that was out at the easter time,??? there is a film being made about motley crue too, im 19 and id say 80s all the way, there are better stories and tbh modern music sucks, the fans suck and its boring, they are playin 80s music on 98fm for ****s sake!!!!
i wish i was around in the 80s to enjoy the crue in their hey day!!!

This man rocks, dude...check out the following links to see some good bands from these days

www.hardcoresuperstar.com
www.gemini5.net
www.crashdiet.org
www.alleycatscratchmusic.com

kona

hardcore superstar aRE VERY GOOD!!!
i like the look of alleycat scratch but cant hear thier music.
dont really like gemini 5 but ill have a listen to more of their tunes and see what they are really like.
thanks for the links man,btw do you know where id get the dirt???preferably second hand with the good stories still in it!!!

Oral Slang

While I like both genre's I think it should be about the current day, but as others have said, not about any of the bands you mentioned, except maybe SOAD.

Some class bands around now aren't from the 80's (to name but a few) - Anathema, Children of Bodom, Dream Theater, Fear Factory, Green Carnation, Iced Earth, Katatonia, Labyrinth, Nevermore, Opeth, Primal Fear, Rammstein, Sinergy, Soil Work, Stratovarius, Symphony X, Threshold, Tool, Tristania, Type O Negative!

Think it would work more though if you base it around bands that are not necessarily from a specific era, but that are popular nowadays (excluding all the emo rubbish) - all the above plus Megadeth, Death Angel, Judas Priest, Kiss, Slayer, Maiden, Nuclear Assault, Exodus and so on!

billsteersnose

Right. I reckon that you shouldnt pick either one. Good metal is good metal, regardless of genre or decade. I think you should use the music to add to the scene your trying to display For example, a Pantera tune is going to be a lot more suitable if there's a gang of real hardass' about to kick the **** of someone, rather than a Stryker song. But then again, a Priest song might suit that too. Ah, I dunno...

MagnumForce

billsteersnose wrote:

Right. I reckon that you shouldnt pick either one. Good metal is good metal, regardless of genre or decade. I think you should use the music to add to the scene your trying to display For example, a Pantera tune is going to be a lot more suitable if there's a gang of real hardass' about to kick the **** of someone, rather than a Stryker song. But then again, a Priest song might suit that too. Ah, I dunno...

that doesnt make sense, you cant say it doesnt matter what time you set it in and then say use music from all eras, because then it would have to be set in the modern day due to the fact that if it was set in the eighties it would make absolutly no sense to play some Dragonforce or something, or even Pantera (unless its Glamtera of course), because it wasnt from that time.

Oral Slang

MagnumForce wrote:

that doesnt make sense, you cant say it doesnt matter what time you set it in and then say use music from all eras,

It would work though, as I said, if it was based in the current day using bands that are popular now, as a lot of the 80's bands are still huge - eg. Death Angel, Nuclear Assault, Megadeth, Exodus, Maiden, Slayer, Anthrax, all of which have played here in recent years!

gline

Pugsley wrote:

Good metal is still being made to day, and played at huge festivals, ie: Wacken
Emperor, Morbid Angel, Children of Bodom, Atheist, Nevermore, Aborted, Opeth, Soilwork, Amon Amarth, Arch Enemy, Celtic Frost, Motorhead, Wintersun.

Theres no reason if your going to do a film based on a metal festival it has to be one of them dire money spinner ones (Download anyone?), and with a 50,000 people crowd, you cant say people dont still listen to good music.

i agree , can you not base it around going to wacken? if you are talking decent metal these days you are usually talking about scandinavian bands and some mainland european bands also.

It also depends on what type of metal you want the film to be based on, there is a big difference on having them go to a deathmetal gig then a thrash gig for instance

Karl Hungus

Motley Crue wrote:

Yes, I'd relate more to that then I would the music now...the music now really sucks, except for the bands rippin off the 80s stuff, like Crash Diet, Hardcore Superstar, AX7, Gemini5, Murderdolls etc

No, absolutely not, with the exception of BFMV all those bands you mentioned just sucked...I cant relate to modern music, its too Grunge/EMO driven and far too depressing. Murderdolls may be 'tounge in cheek' but its a laugh. I suppose if you used the Glam bands of today it would be cool also

Mainstream Metal, like the bands you mentioned in your previous question, makes it far worse....however, there are bands, like Stone Sour...which come along from time to time and offer hope. Generally, as a rule, the usual EMO bands of today are crap, but the movement coming out of Scandinavia and England at the moment focusing on 80s excess is good

I'm trying to think of a way to phrase this so it doesn't sound insulting, but it's hard, because what you've said is quite mind bogglingly stupid. Now seriously, don't take this an insult, but allow me to point out the glaring flaw in your arguement...

EMO IS NOT METAL!!!

Can it be any clearer? If not, watch these two videos:

Lamb Of God
Fall Out Boy

Ask yourself, which band is Metal? Which of those two bands would you say have been influenced by the likes of Metallica, Megadeth, Testament, Pantera, Judas Priest, Exodus, and so forth? I would think it's fairly obvious there, but if not, here are some current Metal bands:

Nevermore
Dream Theater
Dragonforce
Mastodon
Iced Earth
Biomechanical
Strapping Young Lad
Blind Guardian

So, there we have it, that's a fair example of modern Metal right there. Can you now understand the ridiculousness of criticising modern Metal by judging it on bands that are not Metal?

Emo is not Metal therefor you cannot criticise Metal based on Emo.