The Official "rant/bitch/moan" Thread

dan719

amacachi wrote: »

Have to cover the triceratops as well?

I thanked this because I believe you made a paleontology joke. If this is not the case, I feel retarded.

Aoibheann

SligoBrewer wrote: »

At least all that learning **** off to get 600 points in the Leaving is backed up by a course that demands you learn more **** off by heart.

Education fail.

May I just ask if you've studied medicine before? I can't claim to have a lot of experience, having left the course a year after I started, but I'll just go into a little of how it works (or worked..):

Yes, you can go about it the way some students go about the Leaving Cert, learn everything off and do just great - for the first year or two anyway, beyond that I'd say you're kinda screwed...

Alternatively, you can learn by doing things. Take anatomy for example. You could spend your time staring at diagrams and notes until it eventually sinks in, or you could spend an hour in the anatomy demonstration room with some friends and I can tell you it goes in a hell of a lot faster. Best way to learn everything about the anatomy of the heart is by playing hot potato with questions..

Obviously there are some subjects where rote learning is probably the easiest way to go about things, but you really need to understand the material you're studying, it's not actually just as easy as that unless you plan on forgetting it within 5 minutes.. not a good idea if you're planning on being a doctor.

Any time I learned anything properly was during our case based tutorials. There, you put the information from lectures into a practical situation where you had to diagnose a particular case. You don't do that by learning off by heart, it's about applying information. Now I don't know exactly how they do things here in Trinity as regards medicine, but afaik they have a PBL (problem based learning) system in place which seems pretty similar to the case based tutorials I did back in RCSI.

So, in short, no. No, it's not just rote learning. If you are a medicine student just learning things by heart, I'd imagine you wouldn't do very well when it comes to rotations (and real life medicine when you get there!). The best thing was to *think* about what your information was useful for in a practical situation and remember it that way. That's what'll keep it in your head for a long time after and that's the way it should be done and is now the way it's being encouraged to be done in most colleges.

I've just talked around in circles there but I know what I just said made some form of sense. :pac: If you learn it they way you're supposed to, it's not rote learning..

dan719

Aoibheann wrote: »

May I just ask if you've studied medicine before? I can't claim to have a lot of experience, having left the course a year after I started, but I'll just go into a little of how it works (or worked..):

Yes, you can go about it the way some students go about the Leaving Cert, learn everything off and do just great - for the first year or two anyway, beyond that I'd say you're kinda screwed...

Alternatively, you can learn by doing things. Take anatomy for example. You could spend your time staring at diagrams and notes until it eventually sinks in, or you could spend an hour in the anatomy demonstration room with some friends and I can tell you it goes in a hell of a lot faster. Best way to learn everything about the anatomy of the heart is by playing hot potato with questions..

Obviously there are some subjects where rote learning is probably the easiest way to go about things, but you really need to understand the material you're studying, it's not actually just as easy as that unless you plan on forgetting it within 5 minutes.. not a good idea if you're planning on being a doctor.

Any time I learned anything properly was during our case based tutorials. There, you put the information from lectures into a practical situation where you had to diagnose a particular case. You don't do that by learning off by heart, it's about applying information. Now I don't know exactly how they do things here in Trinity as regards medicine, but afaik they have a PBL (problem based learning) system in place which seems pretty similar to the case based tutorials I did back in RCSI.

So, in short, no. No, it's not just rote learning. If you are a medicine student just learning things by heart, I'd imagine you wouldn't do very well when it comes to rotations (and real life medicine when you get there!). The best thing was to *think* about what your information was useful for in a practical situation and remember it that way. That's what'll keep it in your head for a long time after and that's the way it should be done and is now the way it's being encouraged to be done in most colleges.

I've just talked around in circles there but I know what I just said made some form of sense. :pac: If you learn it they way you're supposed to, it's not rote learning..

This post is far too long for three in the morning.

Aoibheann

dan719 wrote: »

This post is far too long for three in the morning.

Yes, but I'm horribly awake atm, largely due to the fact that I woke up at half four in the afternoon.. I'm not even awake 12 hours yet like! :pac:

Also, if you actually read it, it has very little in the line of content, more it's generally disagreeing with the previous post!

dan719

Aoibheann wrote: »

Yes, but I'm horribly awake atm, largely due to the fact that I woke up at half four in the afternoon.. I'm not even awake 12 hours yet like! :pac:

Also, if you actually read it, it has very little in the line of content, more it's generally disagreeing with the previous post!

I did read it. In fact I even thanked it.:p

Aoibheann

dan719 wrote: »

I did read it. In fact I even thanked it.:p

Aha, so you did. My rant was thanksworthy? \o/ But I talked in circles.. CIRCLES! Clearly I need to do so more often.. :pac:

The Black Oil

Pfft, registered post. May as well have used pigeons.

Kwekubo

No hot water in Goldsmith :mad:

phlegms

amacachi wrote: »

Have to cover the triceratops as well?

Lulz dinosaurz.

amacachi

Back to bitching, I've slept 8 hours a night for the last 3 nights but also 3-4 hours each afternoon. Really getting on my nerves being so bloody tired the whole time.

Aoibheann

Mystery trips are tiresome. Well, mainly checking in 40+ people is far more effort than it's worth. I got an hour and a half of sleep and website feckups aren't improving things. However, ryanair customer support are actually decent. Although if I don't get my callback soon I may change my mind.. >.<

Craguls

Aoibheann wrote: »

Mystery trips are tiresome. Well, mainly checking in 40+ people is far more effort than it's worth. I got an hour and a half of sleep and website feckups aren't improving things. However, ryanair customer support are actually decent. Although if I don't get my callback soon I may change my mind.. >.<

But the destination (keeping the secret of course) in question is rather epic!

Aoibheann

Craguls wrote: »

But the destination (keeping the secret of course) in question is rather epic!

Did I tell you? Damn, I gotta keep secrets better.. :pac:

Fad

Aoibheann wrote: »

Did I tell you? Damn, I gotta keep secrets better.. :pac:

Told me too

Aoibheann

Fad wrote: »

Told me too

I think I told you both simultaneously. McDonalds, was it? Mmm, crappy food..

Fringe

Told me too...

Craguls

Aoibheann wrote: »

I think I told you both simultaneously. McDonalds, was it? Mmm, crappy food..

Can't remember, I think it was. But I do recall being jealous. I love country in question was there this summer.

Aoibheann

Fringe wrote: »

Told me too...

Hush you! :P They'll all know in less than two days. God, I need sleep before then or I'll die over there.

Craguls wrote: »

Can't remember, I think it was. But I do recall being jealous. I love country in question was there this summer.

You should come! Loads of people pulled out.. and now there's a load of spare flights. Problem is it costs BILLIONS OF EURO to change the named person on a flight. Goddamn them! *shakes fist* I've never actually been there and I'm dying to go. And I have my boarding pass and all now so it's almost real! \o/

Jonathan

Aoibheann wrote: »

May I just ask if you've studied medicine before? I can't claim to have a lot of experience, having left the course a year after I started, but I'll just go into a little of how it works (or worked..):

Yes, you can go about it the way some students go about the Leaving Cert, learn everything off and do just great - for the first year or two anyway, beyond that I'd say you're kinda screwed...

Alternatively, you can learn by doing things. Take anatomy for example. You could spend your time staring at diagrams and notes until it eventually sinks in, or you could spend an hour in the anatomy demonstration room with some friends and I can tell you it goes in a hell of a lot faster. Best way to learn everything about the anatomy of the heart is by playing hot potato with questions..

Obviously there are some subjects where rote learning is probably the easiest way to go about things, but you really need to understand the material you're studying, it's not actually just as easy as that unless you plan on forgetting it within 5 minutes.. not a good idea if you're planning on being a doctor.

Any time I learned anything properly was during our case based tutorials. There, you put the information from lectures into a practical situation where you had to diagnose a particular case. You don't do that by learning off by heart, it's about applying information. Now I don't know exactly how they do things here in Trinity as regards medicine, but afaik they have a PBL (problem based learning) system in place which seems pretty similar to the case based tutorials I did back in RCSI.

So, in short, no. No, it's not just rote learning. If you are a medicine student just learning things by heart, I'd imagine you wouldn't do very well when it comes to rotations (and real life medicine when you get there!). The best thing was to *think* about what your information was useful for in a practical situation and remember it that way. That's what'll keep it in your head for a long time after and that's the way it should be done and is now the way it's being encouraged to be done in most colleges.

I've just talked around in circles there but I know what I just said made some form of sense. :pac: If you learn it they way you're supposed to, it's not rote learning..

Can I have a TL;DR version please? :P

Aoibheann

Jonathan wrote: »

Can I have a TL;DR version please? :P

Medicine =/= rote learning alone unless one is planning on faaaaaaailing miserably as a doctor? :pac:

(The initial tl;dr version that came to mind was horribly offensive though, that's kinda why I talked in circles. But that was easy \o/)

My brain has ceased to function now. However, everyone who's bothered to send me passport details has now been checked in and the rest can feck off.. :mad:

SligoBrewer

Aoibheann wrote: »

May I just ask if you've studied medicine before? I can't claim to have a lot of experience, having left the course a year after I started, but I'll just go into a little of how it works (or worked..):

Yes, you can go about it the way some students go about the Leaving Cert, learn everything off and do just great - for the first year or two anyway, beyond that I'd say you're kinda screwed...

Alternatively, you can learn by doing things. Take anatomy for example. You could spend your time staring at diagrams and notes until it eventually sinks in, or you could spend an hour in the anatomy demonstration room with some friends and I can tell you it goes in a hell of a lot faster. Best way to learn everything about the anatomy of the heart is by playing hot potato with questions..

Obviously there are some subjects where rote learning is probably the easiest way to go about things, but you really need to understand the material you're studying, it's not actually just as easy as that unless you plan on forgetting it within 5 minutes.. not a good idea if you're planning on being a doctor.

Any time I learned anything properly was during our case based tutorials. There, you put the information from lectures into a practical situation where you had to diagnose a particular case. You don't do that by learning off by heart, it's about applying information. Now I don't know exactly how they do things here in Trinity as regards medicine, but afaik they have a PBL (problem based learning) system in place which seems pretty similar to the case based tutorials I did back in RCSI.

So, in short, no. No, it's not just rote learning. If you are a medicine student just learning things by heart, I'd imagine you wouldn't do very well when it comes to rotations (and real life medicine when you get there!). The best thing was to *think* about what your information was useful for in a practical situation and remember it that way. That's what'll keep it in your head for a long time after and that's the way it should be done and is now the way it's being encouraged to be done in most colleges.

I've just talked around in circles there but I know what I just said made some form of sense. :pac: If you learn it they way you're supposed to, it's not rote learning..

Learn to spot a tongue in cheek at 3 o'clock in the morning.:pac:

Aoibheann

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Learn to spot a tongue in cheek at 3 o'clock in the morning.:pac:

Learn to aim to offend less people at 3 o'clock in the morning! :P It's 3am, I have serious thoughts only then. SERIOUS ones. I can't spot sarcasm/tongue-in-cheek remarks from the serious ones at the best of times, let alone 3am.. >_>

Yet another reason why people should say what they mean on the internet... :pac:

Brian

Spam @tcd.ie

dan719

Severe Heartburn. Ehh....horrible.....

Gloom

Can't get internet for another 2 weeks because I'm using Windows 7. Ugh.

Borneo Fnctn

It rains every day.

SligoBrewer

jackpalance wrote: »

It rains every day.

Welcome to Ireland, dickhead. /hardy bucks

Jammyc

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Welcome to Ireland, dickhead. /hardy bucks

Dont like that shite, pure cheek now, dont like that shite!

Denerick

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Welcome to Ireland, dickhead. /hardy bucks

Wats the shtory wish that bad manners like? Come on now our boy, sort it out, sort it out.

SligoBrewer

Jammyc wrote: »

Dont like that shite, pure cheek now, dont like that shite!

If he comes near me, I'll shlap his jaw, shlap his jaw ashunder hey.