The british isles and Ireland.

Ruu_Old

As this thread has run out of steam a long time ago I'll be glad to, if anyone feels they have anything more to say. Send me a PM and I will be more than happy to unlock it.

edit: unlocked by request.

Cunny-Funt

nuttz wrote:

END OF STORY. FULL STOP. AMEN. LOCK THREAD.

Jaysus relax its not like your being forced to read the damn thread.....or are you? hmmm


Anyways in reply to victor:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Victor wrote:

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/1002/1158591275647.html

Thre we go. If Folens change it then it's only a matter of time before the world crumbles and followws suit.

How about we follow Bart Simpson's idea and call it the Bonerland Isles?

mike65

someone better tell the rest of the world

and here!

Mike.

pvt. joker

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

<cough> Puerto Rico <cough>

puerto rico was offered the chance to be a state and declined but is still a territory. in terms of relevancy to ireland and the uk there is none

cournioni

I think it should be named the PORNAPZ isles. That would solve all of our problems.

LordSutch

The silence is deafening from messers Hanafin & Folens publishers re the New term.................

I listened to two radio phone shows yesterday and the main question was "What is the official replacement name for these islands" but even though Mary Hanafin & Folens were asked to contribute their ideas, they both declined (or could not be contacted)!

So now, for the 31 "Geographical" pages in the Folens Atlas we will be looking at the islands of what?

This is all very silly from Folens publishers, and what about all the text books up North, in Britain and across the World?

And my core point again "What is the official replacement term" seeing as the UK & Ireland is a purely political term and is not used in geographical circles seeing as there are so many hundreds of islands (inc the isle of Man & the channel islands) which are not part of the UK!

Has anybody heard what the New Term is?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

There's a new term...?

I'm temped to guess the obious Irish Islea, but then the people of Arran might get a bit pissed off and low and behold we go through the same **** allll over again...

Cunny-Funt

The West European Isles?

Bob the Builder

The Ireland-Scrotum Isles(nah, just kidding)
I think the west-European Isles is a good name
or the North Europia Isles
or maybe something Latin....

Either way, once Folens rename it, people will follow like a cult or religion...It will spread like a moth to fire...

Dave!

nevf wrote:

It will spread like a moth to fire...

Did you just make that expression up? lol

sceptre

DaveMcG wrote:

Did you just make that expression up? lol

I hope so, it's rather unwieldy as moths don't tend to "spread" to fire at all.

sceptre

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

I hate Greenland being called Greenland because it's not green.

It's quite possible that this was a marketing ploy by Eirik Raude that didn't fool as many people as he would have liked. Or it's a mistranslation from "grunt". Having said that, south Greenland is pretty green when it's not winter.

condra

The names not gonna be changed any time soon so get over it.

British Isles.

I think it sounds quite nice.

ronbyrne2005

Lets all attack the british embassey! that'll teach dem!!! Up da Bhoys, etc etc.


:rolleyes:

lostexpectation

I actually think the y have this all wong, after looking up the info when this thread was first started the name brtish goes back so far as to not actually ean what we think it means... and with all this stuff about both of us either being celts oor not being celts...

I think they should just use some slightly diffirent or odler version of the word brit...

fatherdougalmag

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/03/ireland/

Cunny-Funt

Jesus, I dont understand some peoples problem with people who dont want others to think Ireland is part of the UK.

I for one am sick of having to remind people I talk to who aint irish. Annoyingly enough most of these are actually from the UK :mad:

Removing Ireland from the British Isles will be a big step in the fight against ignorance.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Cunny-Funt wrote:

Jesus, I dont understand some peoples problem with people who dont want others to think Ireland is part of the UK.

I for one am sick of having to remind people I talk to who aint irish. Annoyingly enough most of these are actually from the UK :mad:

Removing Ireland from the British Isles will be a big step in the fight against ignorance.

Ah, but ignorance is bliss...

JaysusMacfeck

theregister.co.uk wrote:

Get back to sewing patches on your tweed jackets, the lot of you.

Ah fúck off :rolleyes:

hshortt

I don't like, nor will I use the term 'British Isles' to describe the location - geographically or otherwise of my Country.

Another thing that annoys me no-end is that sites I visit with drop down lists to 'select your region' there are large global organisations that don't have Ireland on their list of countries at all, offering only United Kingdom. If they can continue to perpetuate this silliness then it's no wonder we have this debate at all. (e.g. www.samsung.com)

To me, it's the British that are confused about their identity. Do they say, English, British, Briton, and call their Country Great Britain, Britain or just England.

Cheerio
Howard

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hshortt wrote:

I don't like, nor will I use the term 'British Isles' to describe the location - geographically or otherwise of my Country.

Another thing that annoys me no-end is that sites I visit with drop down lists to 'select your region' there are large global organisations that don't have Ireland on their list of countries at all, offering only United Kingdom. If they can continue to perpetuate this silliness then it's no wonder we have this debate at all. (e.g. www.samsung.com)

To me, it's the British that are confused about their identity. Do they say, English, British, Briton, and call their Country Great Britain, Britain or just England.

Cheerio
Howard

The difference is they don't lose sleep over it or sit around bomaing it. And no one's yet come back to as to how we need more identity.

Flex

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

The difference is they don't lose sleep over it or sit around bomaing it.

You dont suppose thats because theyre from Britain and are British citizens do ya? :rolleyes:

Deadly-Buzz

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

The difference is they don't lose sleep over it or sit around bomaing it. And no one's yet come back to as to how we need more identity.

Thats coz people dont constantly call them Irish and think they are from Ireland now do they?

Cunny-Funt

Yes excatly, thats what I was talking about in terms of idenity, so many out there don't see Ireland as a nation and assume its part of the UK.

Websites that let u pick every country but Ireland

Games that let u play/say u are from any country but Ireland

I could go on and on.

I'm Irish, I know I'm Irish, thats doesnt mean I should be happy that the rest of the world thinks I'm British, or from any other country for that matter.

Yet every day this mistake is being made!

I remember there was some British gameshow on ages ago where the question was "which UK boy band won the bla bla award for bla bla" and one dizzy bitch answerd "Westlife"

if that wasnt bad enough, the feckin presenter turned around and said "Thats the correct answer!!":mad:

macplaxton

hshortt wrote:

To me, it's the British that are confused about their identity. Do they say, English, British, Briton, and call their Country Great Britain, Britain or just England.

Cheerio
Howard

Howard,

I think you'll find it is the ENGLISH that are confused about their identity. I'm 100% sure that that the Scottish, Welsh & Northern Irish know who they are.

MacP

hshortt

macplaxton wrote:

Howard,

I think you'll find it is the ENGLISH that are confused about their identity. I'm 100% sure that that the Scottish, Welsh & Northern Irish know who they are.

MacP

Yup quite right, sorry.

Cheers

hshortt

My brother in law just popped round and I was telling him about this thread, he explained that it's some mapping crowd, folens? And they are currently reprinting the maps to remove the term British Isles. This would be a great result.

Cheers
Howard

JaysusMacfeck

Cunny-Funt wrote:

I could go on and on.

And so could I.

Me: Proud to be Irish but labelled as a Britain-hater or IRA supporter because I’m annoyed that Ireland is mistaken as being part of the UK or Britain.

Maps:

OK. Most maps I've seen are correct, but there are still some maps that depict Ireland as an insignificant blip in the UK. The worst part is that these maps are not only issued by Britain, but my other European nations that obviously collect there wrong information about these islands directly from the UK.

I would like to ask the posters that aren't bothered about the term "British Isles" if they are bothered by this map.

Exhibit one:



Issues:

1. "EIRE" incorrectly used for the English name of the state.
2. Fada on É missing
3. "IRELAND" missing
4. Font size for name of the Irish state is smaller than "Belfast"
5. Dublin appears to have been assigned a black dot whereas every other European capital is assigned a red dot.
6. "UNITED KINGDOM" gives the impression that it is the name of the state of the two islands.

Am I wrong to be annoyed about these kind of maps? Am I wrong to be annoyed that many Brits think the UK consists of Britain, NI, and "Eire"?

My 2 euro cents on the issue. :cool:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Issues is right....

Now, going back to the British identity point, which needs a touch of clarification. The original quote was:

To me, it's the British that are confused about their identity. Do they say, English, British, Briton, and call their Country Great Britain, Britain or just England

Which may well be correct. My point was, even if they are, they move on, regardless of what label is attached to them. They're probably got more important things to worry about. Here, we get pissed off with the whole bloody issue. Personally, I can't complain about people calling me British, because it's never happened. Mind you, I tend to wear an something Irish when I'm abroad.

Cunny - Never seen a website that listed every country bar Ireland as an option. Either is has about ten or twelve major nations, or even geogrpahical territory on the planet, right down to the pacific islands.

I'm not against the idea of it being called something else, I just think that the issues being "sexed up" to use the lingo of the media.

On another issue - what is the UK not calle the United KingdomS??

LordSutch

Most Atlases have a Political section & a Physical section (Folens included),
the Political section of an Atlas will show "Man made boarders", Cities, Country Names & Country populations (UK & Ireland) for example.

The Physical section (Folens 31 pages) shows the land in relief, boarders are not shown, Cities are not shown, but rain fall is mentioned, climate is mentioned, land mass is mentioned, Topography is shown, sea depth is shown!

My point being; What is the new term going to be for the british isles in the 'Physical' section of the 2007 Folens Atlas?

Ireland & the UK is a Political term (so it cannot be used).
Britain & Ireland only refers to two of the 600 islands (so it cannot be used).

So if Folens are to wipe the british isles off the World map, what I ask you is the official internationally recognised replacement Term
or is it possible thay havent thought of one yet?

county

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

And so could I.


Am I wrong to be annoyed about these kind of maps? Am I wrong to be annoyed that many Brits think the UK consists of Britain, NI, and "Eire"?

My 2 euro cents on the issue. :cool:

i think you missed a Fada

JaysusMacfeck

county wrote:

i think you missed a Fada

What a cute little troll. Have a cookie.

I deliberately dropped the fada because that's the way the Brits spell it. :rolleyes:

You don't call Ireland 'Éire' unless you're using Irish. Hence my sarcastic post above.

Aww.

county

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

What a cute little troll. Have a cookie.

I deliberately dropped the fada because that's the way the Brits spell it. :rolleyes:

And whats your excuse for putting "eire" in an english sentence?;)

Cunny-Funt

He already explained that:rolleyes: What you want him to post in Irish?

I think you should eat your cookie....

county

Cunny-Funt wrote:

He already explained that:rolleyes: What you want him to post in Irish?

I think you should eat your cookie....

i was writing my post as he was editing his,confusion over!

JaysusMacfeck

county wrote:

And whats your excuse for putting "eire" in an english sentence?;)

Oh deary me. Luckily I'm in a good mood this evening.

Did anyone look at that map I posted? I was looking around the house for an atlas that we'd purchased a while back.

The page I refer to is "THE BRITISH ISLES". It has Eng, Sco, Wal and NI in bold font, and "Eire ROI" in very small font. - (níl aon fada ansin arís)

I've scanned in the description of the British Isles according to this atlas. Have a gander:

Atlas scan


It reads "THE BRITISH ISLES - ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, WALES, N. IRELAND" - Absolutely no mention of the Republic! And, of course, a big healthy "THE BRITISH ISLES" is plastered all over Ireland and Britain. Anyone who wasn't familiar with Ireland's sovereignty would just assume that the two island formed the UK.

It seems to me as though it's the British publications/media that have a chip on their shoulder about the term 'Ireland'. Yes, when us Irish have a problem with their terms, we are the ones who are slashed to death by the "Who cares" mob. :rolleyes:

county wrote:

i was writing my post as he was editing his,confusion over!

BS. I edited my post to correct the spelling of "Britian".

Kaiser_Sma

Why are people insulted? It has no bearing on who you are or what country your in. It's just a matter of convenience.

This kind of fear of anything british is just going to hurt the country in the long run, get over it. A culture of resentment is archane and counter productive.

ronbyrne2005

Sad sad insecure little pixie heads, let your nationalist fervour go and embrace the important aspects of life. I shall not view or post on this ridiculous thread again.

sceptre

macplaxton wrote:

I think you'll find it is the ENGLISH that are confused about their identity. I'm 100% sure that that the Scottish, Welsh & Northern Irish know who they are.

See, that's a reasonable point. I'm not entirely sure what it's got to do with the thread in question but after various acts of union and underhand takeovers in the case of Wales, all the other home nations retained their identity as being different to the English. They retained their own customs, their own views, cultures and pretty much everything except their own parliaments. In the case of the English, this didn't happen. As the dominant force in Britain or in the UK they didn't have that same sense of difference that the subsumed nations had. Even these days, there are parliaments or assemblies provided for Scotland, Wales and NI (and occasional West Lothian questions to be answered badly) but nothing extra provided for the English. They substantially lost whatever identity they had (if they ever had one - regional and urban identities appear to have survived pretty well but there aren't as many things to identify someone as "English" as opposed to the other constituent parts of the UK). of course it was easy for many of the inhabitants of the other parts of the UK, most of them at least ostensibly hated the English.

Kaiser_Sma

a problem is that alot of what was or is english culture has been retitled under the term 'British' which then belongs to every one in britain. Creates alot of international confusion but english people know who they are and have just as rich a herritage as any other place on the british isles

JaysusMacfeck

English rich heritage nothing.

Ask any person from Ireland or Britain. "What's your culture?" The English man will always be stuck for an answer.

Irish music: Yup, I hear it in my head. As do the MASSIVE amount of Irish-Americans/Aus/Cans. There's an Irish language? Oh my god, I never knew. Let's use English instead. Oh wow, the amazing BRITISH writers in the early 20th centuary did good for Britain.

Yay, I'm so proud to be English with my English traditional music and art.. oh wait....

county

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

English rich heritage nothing.

Ask any person from Ireland or Britain. "What's your culture?" The English man will always be stuck for an answer.

Irish music: Yup, I hear it in my head. As do the MASSIVE amount of Irish-Americans/Aus/Cans. There's an Irish language? Oh my god, I never knew. Let's use English instead. Oh wow, the amazing BRITISH writers in the early 20th centuary did good for Britain.

Yay, I'm so proud to be English with my English traditional music and art.. oh wait....

what are you ranting about man,stop trying to wind-up people

Victor

Cunny-Funt wrote:

Games that let u play/say u are from any country but Ireland

Not my fault we keep drawing against Luxembourg and Cyprus!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/03/nisles03.xml

As well as the islands of Britain and Ireland, the British Isles is an archipelago including numerous much smaller coastal islands as well as the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

Of course, geographicly, the Channel Islands are part of France.

ArthurF wrote:

Most Atlases have a Political section & a Physical section (Folens included),
the Political section of an Atlas will show "Man made boarders", Cities, Country Names & Country populations (UK & Ireland) for example.

The Physical section (Folens 31 pages) shows the land in relief, boarders are not shown, Cities are not shown, but rain fall is mentioned, climate is mentioned, land mass is mentioned, Topography is shown, sea depth is shown!

So how about an Irish compromise, include "British Isles" in the Physical section, but use "UK & Ireland" in the Political section.

Ireland & the UK is a Political term (so it cannot be used).

Politicised, not political as such.

Britain & Ireland only refers to two of the 600 islands (so it cannot be used).

Why not? If you have a map of "Ireland", must the Aran Islands be excluded?

sceptre wrote:

Even these days, there are parliaments or assemblies provided for Scotland, Wales and NI (and occasional West Lothian questions to be answered badly) but nothing extra provided for the English.

Well some sops were given - Mayor of London, etc., but importantly, because Middle England differed so little from Middle UK, there was little need to differentiate.

Kaiser_Sma

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

English rich heritage nothing.

Ask any person from Ireland or Britain. "What's your culture?" The English man will always be stuck for an answer.

Irish music: Yup, I hear it in my head. As do the MASSIVE amount of Irish-Americans/Aus/Cans. There's an Irish language? Oh my god, I never knew. Let's use English instead. Oh wow, the amazing BRITISH writers in the early 20th centuary did good for Britain.

Yay, I'm so proud to be English with my English traditional music and art.. oh wait....

Bollocks, i was born there. In the westcountry, they had traditional music, dance, festivals (celtic, saxon, medieval), a dense mythology. Fine the industrial revolution started early in england and it incorporated alot of inventors, business men and military heros where otherwise there would be just artists (which there are alot of, not just in the 20th century!).
Irish in ireland is used as a 1st language in only a small part of the population, english is unilateral in naturalised citizens, they have older languages too (old english, middle english and celtic dialects such as cornish) all distinctly differnt.
I've been working as an archaeologist here for about a year and a half, and it suffers a bit in diversity due to the lack of saxons, romans and the 2 major celtic revolutions.
England was divided into smaller parts in the past so culture diversifies alot across the country, it makes it less coherent to the outsider sometimes but it is there.
I like irish folk culture too, and it does seem to have a larger international recognition amongst the lay person, were as england is associated mainly with the tourist attractions in london. It's also true that people who come from the large industrial cities/areas are often oblivious to their heritage, but thats the same everywere.
Do remember that at the point in history were most of irish folklore and artistic culture began, there was little cultural differnce between the peoples of the british isles.

clare82

yes it bothers me...i have just spent a year in canada and the majority of canadians came out with things like "you british people" "so where are you from in britian" now i know that they cany be expected to know things about every country's past and present but fu*k it was annoying..also a lot of english young ppl i met in canada thought "irelands part of britian right?" very frustrating!!!
people rant on about how bad the usa is and bush and all that but the british empire have done way worse over the centuries....i hate the word british..hate it!

aidan_walsh

clare82 wrote:

yes it bothers me...i have just spent a year in canada and the majority of canadians came out with things like "you british people" "so where are you from in britian" now i know that they cany be expected to know things about every country's past and present but fu*k it was annoying..also a lot of english young ppl i met in canada thought "irelands part of britian right?" very frustrating!!!
people rant on about how bad the usa is and bush and all that but the british empire have done way worse over the centuries....i hate the word british..hate it!

Damned Frenchies getting it all wrong like that...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

clare82 wrote:

yes it bothers me...i have just spent a year in canada and the majority of canadians came out with things like "you british people" "so where are you from in britian" now i know that they cany be expected to know things about every country's past and present but fu*k it was annoying..also a lot of english young ppl i met in canada thought "irelands part of britian right?" very frustrating!!!
people rant on about how bad the usa is and bush and all that but the british empire have done way worse over the centuries....i hate the word british..hate it!

Ah the Brit-haters have FINALLY shown up...!

East to deal wirth, just ask them about how life is in the States. I wonder if many Canadains get as pissed off with the US when they're over here and we keep making the smae mistake?

Ruu_Old

This is just going around in circles and it looks like the Brit bashers are coming out, I won't have that. Anyone with anything worthwhile left to say before I padlock this AGAIN.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ruu wrote:

This is just going around in circles and it looks like the Brit bashers are coming out, I won't have that. Anyone with anything worthwhile left to say before I padlock this AGAIN.

There's only one brit basher,and he only showed up now. Plus, he's got two posts to his name, so I'm suspecting a troll. The rest are just a little bit too insecure over this identity crisis.