Banned from Instruments forum.

Karl Hungus

julep wrote:

see, this is why i stay away from music forums. not just the ones here, but all over the internet. i like music. i know what type of msic i like and i won't have my listening habits ridiculed by some 17 year old who thinks they know it all because they once saw a steve vai video and like a really obscure band that nobody else has heard of and, as soon as someone else does hear of them, they only like the old stuff and go to every length to point out that they were a fan before said band sold out.
i likes what i likes. music snobs can kiss my big fat white ass.

I don't see why this has anything to do with the Instruments board, because it is infact Instruments (As the title would suggest) that is discussed, and not a person's taste in music.

But I do feel compelled to respond. I get the feeling that your disdain for music forums, and dismissive and insulting attitude with reguards to "Music snobs" as you put it, is merely a cover for your own insecurities on the subject. Why else would you need to make such self-affirming statements, while equally putting down these precieved snobs, in a thread that doesn't even address the subject?

You got problems, julep.

Nevyn

psi wrote:

Because on that logic you just go and ban anyone who you find disagreeable.

Nope, there is disagreeable and there is disruptive.
Civil discourse can contain all the disagreement required for posting,
but when the discourse becomes deliberately disruptive and detremental
and a person poster/mod will not take a time out and respect the rules and other posters then they break thier agreement which allows them to post.

Karl Hungus

Thaedydal wrote:

discourse becomes deliberately disruptive and detremental

Try saying that three times fast!

Nevyn

~Rebel~ wrote:

I would imagine a posters behavior throughout all the forums should only come into play and be relevant if its a site-wide ban thats in question.

No, all mods can look over the last 20 posts of a poster who has posted in one of the forums they mod and see what thier posting style and pattern site wide has been like.

It helps to spot trolls/tards and you can also see if some one just got het up over a topic and seem to be good poster and contributor else where on the site.

This is how opinions of people and thier posting style are formed.
If a person consitantly threadspoils/takes the piss/trolls across/is disruptive across forums it can be seen.

Question: If a mod finds out that someone has been acting the maggot in another forum altogether, say, forum.notebookreview.com, and was also a member here, would they then give a perm ban here for a minor first offence?

That depends, if they were posting child porn or shilling or flamewaring across the internet it will get taken into consideration.
Posters should be banned for breaches of chater and site rules only,
but being forewarned is being aware.


This came up recently with a poster on the paganism forum.
The person in question was know with in the pagan comminity and had been distruptive on several levels, but they were welcome to post as long as they did not break the rules of the forum as laid out in the charter and the site rules.

Unfortunatly it was only a matter of time before thier diatribes got them banned. Thier posts, thier words, thier reaction and their decision to break the rules.

Nevyn

Oh sush 'Whore I have had my coffee this morning.

Talliesin

psi wrote:

And unbanned. so clean slate and all that.

Without an indication that someone will behave differently a "clean slate" is just wilful ignorance.

feylya

Rozie's postings on the instrument forum were largely disruptive and did not contribute to the forum. It was agreed at the time by the main mods of that forum that she was out of line. I have no problem with people posting their opinions. I do have a problem with people insulting other people for their opinions, something which is directly against the Charter. I do not warn for Charter breaches.

GuanYin

Talliesin wrote:

Without an indication that someone will behave differently a "clean slate" is just wilful ignorance.

Without entering into communication with a user any assumption that they won't change is just wilful ignorance.

wrote:

Rozie's postings on the instrument forum were largely disruptive and did not contribute to the forum. It was agreed at the time by the main mods of that forum that she was out of line. I have no problem with people posting their opinions. I do have a problem with people insulting other people for their opinions, something which is directly against the Charter. I do not warn for Charter breaches.

Now see, that is the first reasonable response I've read and it only took how many pages ?

If its a case that she was disrupting the forum and all other posters so behaving got the same treatment, then thats fair play.

However, a more adult approach here, might have been to enter into reasonable discourse with the user and perhaps give them a chance to re-establish themselves in good light.

It is a bit unfair to take someone's performance in feedback as an indication of their reliability. As I said before, several well established mods would look very poor if their feedback posts alone were considered (myself included).
Besides which, different forums have different levels of freedom - you can't jusge someones behaviour in a forum you don't mod by your own standards.

But fair play for a decent post.

Terry

Karl Hungus wrote:

I don't see why this has anything to do with the Instruments board, because it is infact Instruments (As the title would suggest) that is discussed, and not a person's taste in music.

But I do feel compelled to respond. I get the feeling that your disdain for music forums, and dismissive and insulting attitude with reguards to "Music snobs" as you put it, is merely a cover for your own insecurities on the subject. Why else would you need to make such self-affirming statements, while equally putting down these precieved snobs, in a thread that doesn't even address the subject?

You got problems, julep.

yep and i shouldn't be allowed near a pc when i'm drunk.

Killaqueen!!!

I never got why people would go on a computer when they're drunk

challengemaster

i never understood how people could remember their logins when they're drunk let alone operate a pc

secret_squirrel

psi wrote:

you can't jusge someones behaviour in a forum you don't mod by your own standards.

Is it fair to say that this is a argument about modding styles?

From your posts (and forgive me if I interpret wrongly), you seem to prefer to take a silo'd approach to modding, with a posters activity outside of your modded forums irrelevant.

Some other mods seem to prefer to examine a posters history and take that into account whilst moderating their forums.

For me that seems to be the direction you are arguing from anyhow.

Im just not sure your tolerance works in the case of overly disruptive posters. But hey since Im not a mod I couldnt say for sure.

Just out of curiosity would it make a difference if the ban had be made by a Cmod/Smod? For me thats the logical endpoint to silo'd modding.

GuanYin

secret_squirrel wrote:

Is it fair to say that this is a argument about modding styles?

From your posts (and forgive me if I interpret wrongly), you seem to prefer to take a silo'd approach to modding, with a posters activity outside of your modded forums irrelevant.

I don't know if it is about modding styles but certainly it is about modding.

Some other mods seem to prefer to examine a posters history and take that into account whilst moderating their forums.

For me that seems to be the direction you are arguing from anyhow.

Perhaps. The fact of a matter is, right now, with this post, I'm a normal user. I have no rights, not privlidges here that you don't also have.

Now, if I deemed from your posts in this thread, that you had an argumentative style that I don't like and wouldn't like to see in soccer. Would you feel it is my discretion to ban you from soccer if I found you arguing off topic there and didn't want you bringing the argumentative style from here into soccer (this is a hypothetical, I'm not accusing you of being argumentative you understand)?

There is just about every flavour of poster you can imagine on boards. Not all of them are going to be people whose posting style is to your taste. Many people actually like the brash, abrupt and cutting style of post. Many feel it ignorant. What you deem worthless, others may admire.

So yes, if I make a moderating decision, it is based directly on the actions of the poster in the forum I am moderating. I don't have a right to ban someone baste of distaste, or at least I shouldn't.

What other people do when moderating forums is up to them, but if we can start banning because we find their posts elsewhere objectional, I can cut down the 1300 soccer forum users by a good 10% in the next 15 minutes

Im just not sure your tolerance works in the case of overly disruptive posters. But hey since Im not a mod I couldnt say for sure.

Have you seen the forums I moderate? Paranormal attracts just about every type of troll you can imagine, from the idiots to the intellectual supremecists who want to talk down to someone. Don't even get me started on soccer - the forum is quiet, but I think most posters see the mods as guards with sniper rifles on towers in there.

Tolerance is the way to go until someone crosses the line beyond reproach, or at least someone doesn't take the brick-subtle hints you give. To quote a dire Partick Swayze movie, "Be nice, until it is time to not be nice". Overly disruptive posters don't last very long with me.

Just out of curiosity would it make a difference if the ban had be made by a Cmod/Smod? For me thats the logical endpoint to silo'd modding.

As a cmod, only ever cat banned for reasons such as OTT abuse of a mod in the cat, spamming or serious muppetry when no other mod was about.

It is a moot point, seeing as the ban in question wasn't for anything so worthy.

In any case, feyla has stepped up and Rozie has an answer.

CuLT

"reasonable discourse" ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...


Oh man, let me catch my breath...


bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

psi, you kill me.

Edit:
To expand on that, Rozie is arguing from an anarchistic idealogical perspective, anyone arguing against that is arguing from the prevalent despotic idealogical perspective.

Due to the inherently diametric viewpoints, never the twain shall meet.

GuanYin

CuLT wrote:

Psi, you kill me.

No, but it is on my to do list.

To expand on that, Rozie is arguing from an anarchistic idealogical perspective, anyone arguing against that is arguing from the prevalent despotic idealogical perspective.

Due to the inherently diametric viewpoints, never the twain shall meet.

Have you ever been with a woman? I mean like a socially adjusted one with no deep rooted emotional issues? Did they charge?

CuLT

psi wrote:

Have you ever been with a woman? I mean like a socially adjusted one with no deep rooted emotional issues? Did they charge?

I certainly doubt there are many socially adjusted women without deep rooted emotional issues that charge for sex.

Unless you count a few bottles of breezer and a couple of vodka shots.

Are you a half asian man in your mid twenties or a caucasian woman in your late twenties? Because I'm getting conflicting reports.

Pighead

CuLT wrote:

I certainly doubt there are few socially adjusted women without deep rooted emotional issues that charge for sex.

Unless you count a few bottles of breezer and a couple of vodka shots.

Are you a half asian man in your mid twenties or a caucasian woman in your late twenties? Because I'm getting conflicting reports.

Good Point Cult. By the way any idea what Spin Solutions was?

GuanYin

CuLT wrote:

Are you a half asian man in your mid twenties or a caucasian woman in your late twenties? Because I'm getting conflicting reports.

Neither as it happens.

Nevyn

Pighead wrote:

Good Point Cult. By the way any idea what Spin Solutions was?

http://wiki.boards.ie/wiki/Pre-History

Shiminay

I do so love when the original point is forgotten and 2 new people start at it

Terry

Thaedydal wrote:

http://wiki.boards.ie/wiki/Pre-History

(17;00) (Cloud-Warrior) So you're talking a standalone site then
(17;00) (dev) yah
(17;00) (dev) low maintenance, high volume

hehe.

delly

julep wrote:

hehe.

Thats a interesting read. Never seen so many winks in one conversation .

Karl Hungus

I wonder how long untill someone starts a thread about Rozie in the thunderdome?

Silverfish

Karl Hungus wrote:

I wonder how long untill someone starts a thread about Rozie in the thunderdome?

I'd say it took you til the end of that sentence there, and the 30 second time between posts.

miju

feylya wrote:

And I believe Rozie was banned from Bands/Musicians for personal abuse.

checking the access list there still is

julep wrote:

you will never get a mod to lift a ban by being aggressive or abusive.

why dont people ever realise this :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

miju

feylya wrote:

And I believe Rozie was banned from Bands/Musicians for personal abuse.

still is and wont be changing anytime soon going by these posts