GPS: Airis T920 or Garmin Nuvi 310/360?

Colly

Looks like Garmin are shipping the nuvi 660 (new model) with Navteq V9 maps. So just a matter of time before they release the update or ship nuvi 3xx series with the new maps also.

http://www.aspidshop.com/export/store/product_info.php?cPath=3_7_8&products_id=2065

If anyone has a contact in the industry or was talking to Garmin support maybe you have an insight into the V9 map release?

According to this forum a supplier has confirmed V9 is shipping on the nuvi 660. I would guess November or worst case scenario January for the map updates. But most likely November.

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=65163

Colly

Mapquest have recently updated (areas such as new estates in Dublin 15 which were not present last week and are now listed). This map gives a good indication as to the detail of any sat nav system such as Airis or Garmin as they use the same maps (navteq) (Once the manufacturer use the most recent Navteq maps that is)

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=IE&addtohistory=&city=Dublin

Looks like the licence has dropped in cost as it is starting to show up now in Airis (for some time now envious) and now mapquest (recently updated with even more detail ie newer maps, not sure which navteq update though I would love to know, suspect Q2) and the Garmin nuvi 660 and soon to be released with other garmin device etc.....

Finally some detail for Ireland so we can take advantage of satnav.

Jip

Strange, that map has the new M4 but the level of detail in the estate I live in is less detailed than what it is on the Navteq V8 mapping on my unit.

Colly

Jip wrote:

Strange, that map has the new M4 but the level of detail in the estate I live in is less detailed than what it is on the Navteq V8 mapping on my unit.

That is strange, u fully zoomed in, maybe a bug or error on the mapquest side. You can report errors to mapquest link in the help section I believe if ya care enough that is about your online presence.

Once it is on your unit your sorted.

Colly

Either it is not as updated as I thought as the Bundoran Ballyshannon bypass is not there either. Wonder if they just updated certain areas on the mapquest site ie just dublin.

I recall someone saying these bypasses are on the Q2 Navteq maps so no worries just mapquest.

eirlink

Colly wrote:

Either it is not as updated as I thought as the Bundoran Ballyshannon bypass is not there either. Wonder if they just updated certain areas on the mapquest site ie just dublin.

I recall someone saying these bypasses are on the Q2 Navteq maps so no worries just mapquest.

The acid test for Q2 is the "Bundoran, Co Donegal " bypass. If its Navteq Q2 2006 it will show this bypass as below, clearly...


[Courtesy Route 66 Navigate7 ]

However,
"Ballyshannon, Co Donegal " is a different town, further north. DONT mix these up when trying to assertain a map version.The Ballyshannon bypass is NOT ON Q2.

Now...there is a NEW Q2 update just out whose file size is bigger and therefore will struggle on a 256 SD, so when I get it I will post back and let you all know. The new info "may " be UK related and until I examine the mapping I dont know where the extra MB`s are .

In meantime, just benchmark off Bundoran ( not Ballyshannon )

opus

Colly wrote:

Either it is not as updated as I thought as the Bundoran Ballyshannon bypass is not there either. Wonder if they just updated certain areas on the mapquest site ie just dublin.

I recall someone saying these bypasses are on the Q2 Navteq maps so no worries just mapquest.

Must admit I'm confused now, both the Airis & the mapquest site have this bypass shown just like in the pic above

As a matter of interest where do these "updates" for the Navteq maps come from? Are they free for a certain version or do you have to pay? The current maps in the Airis look to be fine for me so not too interested in extra cost.

eirlink

opus wrote:

Must admit I'm confused now, both the Airis & the mapquest site have this bypass shown just like in the pic above

As a matter of interest where do these "updates" for the Navteq maps come from? Are they free for a certain version or do you have to pay? The current maps in the Airis look to be fine for me so not too interested in extra cost.

Opus, sorry if im confusing everyone. The mapquest link has been updated to Q2 since i last looked. Apologies , i was looking at an old screengrab i had here.

Anyway, the link to mapquest is Q2. Just for clarity, it shows:

A bypass around Bundoran
No bypass around Ballyshannon.



Two different locations. I was just trying to advise people these were different towns, thats all.
sorry for the confusion....long day!

BigCon

Woo hoo, I finally received mine today (had to send back the first one as it was missing loads of parts).
All working fine, very impressed.
Have to say Pixmania were ok too, no problems getting the unit replaced (a little bit time consuming, but all's well that end's well)...

mik_da_man

I got mine too and it's working great.:D
even has the tiny townland where I am from in Meath (Although it's spelt wrong:rolleyes: )

Just wondering did anyone get a mains charger for it?
and if so where?

Cheers

Mik

Colly

mik_da_man wrote:

I got mine too and it's working great.:D
even has the tiny townland where I am from in Meath (Although it's spelt wrong:rolleyes: )

Just wondering did anyone get a mains charger for it?
and if so where?

Cheers

Mik

The thread name is "GPS: Airis T920 or Garmin Nuvi 310/360?" so when you say I got mine which do you mean?. I presume you mean the Airis unit as they have the most up todate maps today but as per the mysatnav.ie site the best overall GPS unit is the nuvi. Its only downfall is the maps are yet to be released. V9 of the garmin maps are due for release any day soon so bare that in mind when buying.

mik_da_man

Ok Sorry:o
But if ya read the thread you would have seen that I ordered / got the Airis.

While the Nuvi 360/310 may have got better ratings it is €605/€422 compared to €260.
and as I dont need the bluetooth I think I saved €160 ish so I'm happy

Mik

Colly

mik_da_man wrote:

Ok Sorry:o
But if ya read the thread you would have seen that I ordered / got the Airis.

While the Nuvi 360/310 may have got better ratings it is €605/€422 compared to €260.
and as I dont need the bluetooth I think I saved €160 ish so I'm happy

Mik

Besk of luck with it Mik may you never get lost again and be the envy of all your friends.

podgeandrodge

Hope this is gonna be an easy question - rec'd my T920 today and while I can set the language in the settings it only seems to work for the settings themselves i.e english settings

but when i go to navigate everything is in german or dutch?

Help? PLease!

mik_da_man

Hi,

Did you load the British Maps on the card?

Mik

podgeandrodge

HI
It's the T920E so all of Europe is preloaded on 2gb card

So in GPS mode if i tap the screen for options they are in other language and no amount of changing language from the bootup screen makes any difference!

mik_da_man

ok - in GPS mode press in the centre of the screen to go to settings.
then press the down arrow on the right hand side.
click the icon on the top right now
then click the middle top icon
That is where you change the language on mine anyway.

podgeandrodge

mik

i tapped the middle and came up with options with foreign names!

which icon is settings thanks!

mik_da_man

ok when the foreign names come up:

press the down arrow on the right hand side.
click the icon on the top right now
then click the middle top icon
That is where you change the language

Mik

podgeandrodge

mik_da_man you ARE the man!

worked perfect thanks! I presume you didn't have to start off with dutch language!

podgeandrodge

dsmasher wrote:

Oh and before I forget, because it comes with a 512mb card, it does not have enough memory to calculate a direct route from eg. Cork to Dublin. Unfortunately you have to give it intermediate steps. Great if you know where you are going ... unsure how far the range goes.

anyways just ordered a 2gb card from dabs.com for 40 euro
Crap brand but I hoping it will do the biz

Same problem here, runs out of memory entering dublin to dungarvan - and I have the 2gig card - albeit with all of europe loaded...maybe if I took off europe...

eirlink

Try doing a soft reset ....will flush out the OS memory. May help.
Def taking off europe will, but try reset first. BTW no harm doing a "Hard "reset every month as well. Clears the cache ( BEWARE you lose location history ) and generally speeds things up.

Colly

eirlink wrote:

Try doing a soft reset ....will flush out the OS memory. May help.
Def taking off europe will, but try reset first. BTW no harm doing a "Hard "reset every month as well. Clears the cache ( BEWARE and the location history ) and generally speeds things up.

Throwing more memory is not the long term solution for buggy software as suggested above. But if it is a case of wanting all the maps on your receiver and still have it capable of calculating long journeys keep this in mind it is 4GB SD card for 95Euro including delivery.

http://www.memory-configurator.com/products/description/4Gb_Transcend_150x_Hi_Speed_Secure_Digital_card/index.html

(As an aside: if you do find it is buggy software there maybe firmware upgrades available with bug fixes, but ya probably already tried that which is why I made this point an aside.)

podgeandrodge

Hi
I take your points about freeing up the memory card but are you sure that this would solve the problem - I wouldn't have thought the memory on the card would have any impact on the memory required for calculating routes etc as it would require that the memory card was being written to all the time - I would have thought that Ram/Flash memory i.e the 64mb that comes with the device was the issue?

thanks

Colly if you know where the firmware updates are let me know!

mik_da_man

podgeandrodge wrote:

mik_da_man you ARE the man!

worked perfect thanks! I presume you didn't have to start off with dutch language!

No Probs:D

And I got the 512 card with mine and just loaded the British maps so all was in english

Mik

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote:

Hi
I take your points about freeing up the memory card but are you sure that this would solve the problem - I wouldn't have thought the memory on the card would have any impact on the memory required for calculating routes etc as it would require that the memory card was being written to all the time - I would have thought that Ram/Flash memory i.e the 64mb that comes with the device was the issue?

Anyone?

Colly

podgeandrodge wrote:

Hi
I take your points about freeing up the memory card but are you sure that this would solve the problem - I wouldn't have thought the memory on the card would have any impact on the memory required for calculating routes etc as it would require that the memory card was being written to all the time - I would have thought that Ram/Flash memory i.e the 64mb that comes with the device was the issue?

thanks

Colly if you know where the firmware updates are let me know!

No idea don't have a Airis (had a quick look for there site but no joy) and I am buying a Garmin as they have a website that is well know. Garmin are continually updating there firmware to improve it. This makes me question the quality of the Airis product.

dal

podgeandrodge wrote:

Anyone?

Hey there, I was reading on a french forum over here:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53123&whichpage=17

that if you enable the options "avoid motorways and tolls" then it will run out of memory calculating on long journeys.

Can you let me know if this is your problem? I don't actually have and airis yet (but hopefully soon as it looks like the best thing out there for the money). If this is not your problem I will read more in the french thread to see if it might be something else.

Oh yes, and they also say that it has nothing to do with the size of your SD card.

podgeandrodge

HI Dal

Now that you mention it I HAD checked avoid motorways.... and I think before I did that the journey did work

Bit of a bummer if you can't select the shortest route but only the motorway one!

dal

podgeandrodge wrote:

HI Dal

Now that you mention it I HAD checked avoid motorways.... and I think before I did that the journey did work

Bit of a bummer if you can't select the shortest route but only the motorway one!

I guess you might have to split up the journey into stages.

johnjay

I got my Airis T920 yesterday. Its a great little unit for the price. I ordered it last Wednesday evening from Pixmania and had it by Monday evening. I am using only the 512 card, and so far no problems. I used it yesterday to go from Tullamore to Wexford, and then back to Dublin without any problems. I did not try to avoid tolls or motorways. I only have the UK/Ireland maps loaded

The only problem I had was with DHL. Their tracking website told me on Monday morning that it was still in the UK, but a driver tried to deliver it to me an hour later (but I was not at home at that stage). I then had to go to Ballymount to pick it up, and had to wait over an hour for 2 Muppets (I'd swear one of them was illiterate) to find my package. AVOID DHL.

mik_da_man

johnjay wrote:

The only problem I had was with DHL. Their tracking website told me on Monday morning that it was still in the UK, but a driver tried to deliver it to me an hour later (but I was not at home at that stage). I then had to go to Ballymount to pick it up, and had to wait over an hour for 2 Muppets (I'd swear one of them was illiterate) to find my package. AVOID DHL.

I had a prob with them lads too.
Their tracking site didn't show the parcel as delivered until 7pm on friday.
But it was delivered @ 11am!
Also when I rang them on friday to see where it was the girl didn't have a clue. It was with a 3dr party driver but she had no way to contact him so she told me there was nothing more she could do and to "hope for the best":eek:

eirlink

podgeandrodge,
Navigate 7 updates are available from Route 66 free ( once you have the CD rom ) as and when they are needed. Thankfully the navigate 7 software is very robust and therefore does not require this often. Just check out their site, none to download at present though.

podgeandrodge

Hi Eirlink

Thats good to know. But I fear the problem with the "avoid motorways" giving a lack of memory error may be due to the unit's own built in memory and not the Route66 software...

Has anyone found T920 firmware - maybe an update will cure this?

Dal I agree I may have to split the journey but part of having a GPS was to calculate the shortest route - if I manually choose an inbetween point it sort of defeats the purpose! I'm amazed the unit can ship like this....

eirlink

podgeandrodge wrote:

Hi Eirlink

Thats good to know. But I fear the problem with the "avoid motorways" giving a lack of memory error may be due to the unit's own built in memory and not the Route66 software...

Has anyone found T920 firmware - maybe an update will cure this?

Dal I agree I may have to split the journey but part of having a GPS was to calculate the shortest route - if I manually choose an inbetween point it sort of defeats the purpose! I'm amazed the unit can ship like this....

Podgeandrodge...I think youre right, it only hits memory prob when aviod motorways is chosen. this would suggest the airis internal memory is not able to import the map data in order to run the algorithym to find the shortest / fastest route. I will have to dig deeper into this to find whats up.I think the glitch is caused by the software looking at ALL possible routes and then chosing the shortest. If this is so then maybe it looks at going into NI ! as one option. Dont know ,just thinking out loud.

if anyone has Route 66 loaded on a PDA / Axim , if they try this and it works ok then the prob lies with the Airis. If it fails the prob lies in the R66 package.
My initial enquiries suggest a larger SD card is needed,but i dont have any lying around that i can format at present.

eirlink

Update...

I shoved everything over onto a 1 gig card and error is still there, so its not the card.( leaving 700 odd MB free on card). Does anyone know if Windows CE uses swap file function, whereby it uses up free memory ( albeit on Sd card ) to boost RAM?


Strange one this..
It will do Sandyford ind est to kinnegad no problem avoiding motorways ( M50 & M4 ) !!

My conclusion is:
Its not the SD card size, avoid motorways option, or airis firmware.
Its got to do with "distance "...!

I tried this on a Medion and same thing., so if the medion unit and the airis have the same RAM then thats where the problem is.

Medion has 64MB..does anyone know what airis has?


I may have to go back to msatnav.ie to solve this and get the fix...im glad i bought local now.will keep youze posted.

johnjay

mik_da_man wrote:

Also when I rang them on friday to see where it was the girl didn't have a clue. It was with a 3dr party driver but she had no way to contact him so she told me there was nothing more she could do and to "hope for the best":eek:

I have a better one - one of the Muppets in their collection desk told me and another punter who was collecting a package to always "wrap your package like it was an atomic bomb" when you sent it with DHL because "they get thrown all over the place" by the drivers, apparently most of their drivers are "foreigners who don’t give a **** and cant read or write English"!! I should really put an email of complaint together for them - they were also extremely rude to an Eastern European chap who also came to pick up a package that they had lost.

podgeandrodge

Eirlink - another thing to keep in mind - when the error occurs did you notice that the out of memory error appears IMMEDIATELY - which would lead me to believe its more a system error than memory - if it was memory it would take a "little" while to realise it had the memory problem - whereas in this case it is instantaneous!

Keep us informed cheers!

johnjay

eirlink wrote:

Podgeandrodge...I think youre right, it only hits memory prob when aviod motorways is chosen.

Well, I dont avoid motorways or toll roads, so its not something thats gonna bother me.

eirlink

johnjay wrote:

Well, I dont avoid motorways or toll roads, so its not something thats gonna bother me.

correct,well said:D

eirlink

podgeandrodge wrote:

Eirlink - another thing to keep in mind - when the error occurs did you notice that the out of memory error appears IMMEDIATELY - which would lead me to believe its more a system error than memory - if it was memory it would take a "little" while to realise it had the memory problem - whereas in this case it is instantaneous!

Keep us informed cheers!

It does exactly same on Medion i have here loaded on a 1 gig Sd ...so
its either a Route 66 glitch or lack of RAM.

Im using version 7.0.990 of R66 navigate 7
Someone on here has a newer version. can they try pls and let us know.
Thanks

eirlink

johnjay wrote:

I have a better one - one of the Muppets in their collection desk told me and another punter who was collecting a package to always "wrap your package like it was an atomic bomb" when you sent it with DHL because "they get thrown all over the place" by the drivers, apparently most of their drivers are "foreigners who don’t give a **** and cant read or write English"!! I should really put an email of complaint together for them - they were also extremely rude to an Eastern European chap who also came to pick up a package that they had lost.

I sent one of our guys to athlone depot this morning to see if stuff was there ( to aviod having DHL calling and no one to sign ) and i told him to keep ringing them as he was driving. He said their phone was ringing from 9am till 10.10 - no answer.

When he asked why nobody answered he was told "there all out on the floor or the ringer is off " !!FFS

My guy watched the fellow looking around and he said he looked like a crow looking into a crisp bag
All i got was a laugh.....


Seriously though, they need to be informed.Email is good idea.

mik_da_man

eirlink wrote:

Im using version 7.0.990 of R66 navigate 7
Someone on here has a newer version. can they try pls and let us know.
Thanks

I'll check - but how do i check my version?

Cheers

eirlink

mik_da_man wrote:

I'll check - but how do i check my version?

Cheers

>main menu
>scroll down to help
>click help
>about navigate

cheers

mik_da_man

OK I have 7.0.1895

Not as up to date as yours methinks?

Mik

eirlink

mik_da_man wrote:

OK I have 7.0.1895

Not as up to date as yours methinks?

Mik

No Mik...youre ahead on this one.

Mik_da_man = 1895
Eirlink = 990.

youre newer.:(
so it looks like its the RAM?

mik_da_man

ok cool

So I tested mine, planned a route from dublin (where I live) to bandon road Cork city using motorways and it worked fine.:)
Then I switched to Aviod motorways and it did a re-calc and no error.:)
Then I did a new route avoiding motorways and I got the error :mad:

Also does anyone know what the symbol below is?

podgeandrodge

eirlink wrote:

No Mik...youre ahead on this one.

Mik_da_man = 1895
Eirlink = 990.

youre newer.:(
so it looks like its the RAM?

I have version 1895 and it states Q4 2005..... want an update!

Eirlink let us know what mysatnav say about memory!!

eirlink

podgeandrodge wrote:

I have version 1895 and it states Q4 2005..... want an update!

Eirlink let us know what mysatnav say about memory!!

you have the newer route 66 software but the older maps....did you not buy of pixmania???

podgeandrodge

Well the "about navigate" states 7.0.1895 Route 66 Q4 2005/12/2

Yep got from Pixmania but it was the 'all of europe' version as opposed to Ireland/UK so there must be a difference....presume I'll be entitled to an upgrade..