Rooney in Restaurant Row

Mr Moon

From the Beeb!

Manchester United's Wayne Rooney was involved in a nightclub incident with Blackburn defender Michael Gray on Saturday, according to his spokesman.
England striker Rooney, 20, was out with fiancee Coleen McLoughlin in Manchester when Gray, 32, is reported to have approached the group.

"Michael made a number of remarks which were offensive to Coleen and Wayne's other female guests," said a spokesman.

"Several times, Wayne asked Michael to leave. It was a brief incident."

Rooney is suspended from club duty and has only just completed an international ban for his dismissal during England's World Cup quarter-final defeat to Portugal.

He was out at the Panacea Bar and Restaurant in Manchester with his fiancee and some friends.

The spokesman added: "Wayne and Coleen were enjoying a night out with three other couples when Michael came up to their table uninvited."

But he added the incident was now forgotten: "As far as Wayne is concerned, he bears no ill-feeling towards Michael."

cournioni

Rooney should have twatted the little hair dying pansy.

The Muppet

Mr Moon wrote:

From the Beeb!

Is this non story really news worthy?

The Rooster

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Rooney should have twatted the little hair dying pansy.

He did.

GuanYin

PORNAPSTER banned. 1 week.

Mr Moon

The Muppet wrote:

Is this non story really news worthy?

Probably not but such is life!!

RE*AC*TOR

Rooney really should rise above these kind of things. Otherwise he will end up being labelled a common thug.

Giruilla

The Sun says Rooners floored him with one punch!

sofireland

Giruilla wrote:

The Sun says Rooners floored him with one punch!

The sun, that bible of truth!

Thought he just told him to clear off?

BTW, what did your man get banned for?

frobisher

We all know what Rooney is like but at the same time, if Gray was being an idiot, most guys would get annoyed at that kind of thing when out with their girlfriend. I for one wouldn't like to be on the end of a punch from little Wayno!:eek:

Raskolnikov

Allegedly, Gray asked Rooney and Colleen if he wanted to join him in a threesome. The irate Wayne then decked him.

AthAnRi

I'd like to know why the headline is 'Rooney in Restaurant Row' and not
'Gray in Restaurant Row' or at least 'Gray and Rooney in Restaurant Row'

Rooney was dead right to punch him. I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that would/have done the same thing and rightly so.

AthAnRi

sofireland wrote:

The sun, that bible of truth!

Thought he just told him to clear off?

BTW, what did your man get banned for?

I don't know. Possibly for being Politically Incorrect on a football forum, God forbid.

Villain

AthAnRi wrote:

I'd like to know why the headline is 'Rooney in Restaurant Row' and not
'Gray in Restaurant Row' or at least 'Gray and Rooney in Restaurant Row'

Rooney was dead right to punch him. I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that would/have done the same thing and rightly so.

How the hell can you say Rooney was dead right to hit him??? Were you there? did gray try to hit Rooney because if he hit him purely based on something Gray said he's pretty foolish. If everyone resorted to violence any time someone said something to wind them up what kind of world would we live in.

Rooney should have laughed at Gray and then ignored him if he was winding him up, but hey I guess some people can do no wrong when you have red tinted glasses on.

BaZmO*

AthAnRi wrote:

I'd like to know why the headline is 'Rooney in Restaurant Row' and not
'Gray in Restaurant Row' or at least 'Gray and Rooney in Restaurant Row'

Do you really need that question to be answered for you? Which headline do you reckon would sell the most papers? Or in the case of a website would get the most views?

AthAnRi wrote:

I don't know. Possibly for being Politically Incorrect on a football forum, God forbid.

Or he could read the Charter to find out what he done wrong.

The Rooster

Rooney didnt even stand up to hit. Lamped him while remaining on his chair!

Rooney really should rise above these kind of things. Otherwise he will end up being labelled a common thug.

"WILL"

BTW, what did your man get banned for?

Outbursts of personal abuse/racism etc, be it directed at other board members or at groups of fans or sports personalities people will not be tolerated. We reserve the right to edit/move/delete such posts as we see fit and issue bans to the poster of such.

Rooney should have twatted the little hair dying pansy.

Someone obviously got offended at Napster's "pansy" dig at Gray, whether it was psi himself, or someone who reported the post.

Obviously the mod got in such a muddle over the offensive statement which is scarring so many people that he forgot to edit or delete it. Far more important to ban the reprehensible Napster, who is such a troublemaker (NOT!), but leave the scurrilous message that caused the uproar. Think of the children for chrissakes......

In all seriousness of course people should certainly be banned for abuse. But if its not bad enough to delete, than its not bad enough to ban. And if the mod forgot to delete it, then its clearly not bad enough to delete - because if it did warrant deletion that would be the first thing any decent mod would do.

AthAnRi

BaZmO* wrote:

Do you really need that question to be answered for you? Which headline do you reckon would sell the most papers? Or in the case of a website would get the most views?

Or he could read the Charter to find out what he done wrong.

Jeez chill man. who's a bit of a moaning Michael this morning. I didn't really want my questin answered. I was trying to make a point that yet again the high profile player is made to look like the bad guy. Not saying he's an Angel but this kind of rubbish happens all the time in the UK.

AthAnRi

The Rooster wrote:

Rooney didnt even stand up to hit. Lamped him while remaining on his chair!


"WILL"




Someone obviously got offended at Napster's "pansy" dig at Gray, whether it was psi himself, or someone who reported the post.

Obviously the mod got in such a muddle over the offensive statement which is scarring so many people that he forgot to edit or delete it. Far more important to ban the reprehensible Napster, who is such a troublemaker (NOT!), but leave the scurrilous message that caused the uproar. Think of the children for chrissakes......

In all seriousness of course people should certainly be banned for abuse. But if its not bad enough to delete, than its not bad enough to ban. And if the mod forgot to delete it, then its clearly not bad enough to delete - because if it did warrant deletion that would be the first thing any decent mod would do.

Agreed. Political Correctness strikes again.

BaZmO*

I'm very chilled mate, a weekend in Stuuttgart on an away trip tends to do that to you.

I was just making the point that Rooney is hardly a victim here. He's way more high profile than Gray so of course they're gonna run the "Rooney" headline rather than A "Gray" headline.

Mr Moon

AthAnRi wrote:

this kind of rubbish happens all the time in the UK

That's a price you've to pay to be famous in England!

The Muppet

The Rooster wrote:

Someone obviously got offended at Napster's "pansy" dig at Gray, whether it was psi himself, or someone who reported the post.

Obviously the mod got in such a muddle over the offensive statement which is scarring so many people that he forgot to edit or delete it. Far more important to ban the reprehensible Napster, who is such a troublemaker (NOT!), but leave the scurrilous message that caused the uproar. Think of the children for chrissakes......

In all seriousness of course people should certainly be banned for abuse. But if its not bad enough to delete, than its not bad enough to ban. And if the mod forgot to delete it, then its clearly not bad enough to delete - because if it did warrant deletion that would be the first thing any decent mod would do.

Seconded, How could anyone be offended by Pornapsters comments. This forum is going down the pan because the tail is wagging the dog here and its all down to stupidity. I would be very surprised it that post was reported at all.


BACK ON TOPIC,

My initial comment about the non story was directed at teh quot in the original post, obviosly if there was physical violence involved the story is news worthy. Rooney should know better than to rise to provocation but he is the victim as he was targeted for teh abuse, Most men would do extaly the same in the same circumstances, I know I would.

Villain

Perhaps a feedback thread to discuss this topic might be better, the banning's I'm talking about, its getting really silly.

p.pete

The Muppet wrote:

Seconded, How could anyone be offended by Pornapsters comments.

Well Gray himself might disagree with you though we probably won't get his comments on the matter.

The Muppet wrote:

This forum is going down the pan because the tail is wagging the dog here and its all down to stupidity.

Is civility that hard to master?

The Muppet wrote:

I would be very surprised it that post was reported at all.

Really? how surprised? Maybe the charter isn't perfect and needs to be looked at, but as is the post in question was in breach of it - the forum would go down the pan if the anarchy you're proposing were allowed. You or pornapster or whoever else who feels agrieved can start a feedback thread if wanted

RE*AC*TOR

irish1 wrote:

Perhaps a feedback thread to discuss this topic might be better, the banning's I'm talking about, its getting really silly.

that sounds like a good idea.

The Rooster

p.pete wrote:

Really? how surprised? Maybe the charter isn't perfect and needs to be looked at, but as is the post in question was in breach of it - the forum would go down the pan if the anarchy you're proposing were allowed.

Totally disagree.

If the post in question was in breach of the rules, why hasnt it been deleted?
- because someone forgot?
Oh yeah, it must be really bad if they go straight to banning the poster, but then "forget" to remove to oh so offensive remark.

If someone did report the post, it was obviously nothing to do with getting rid of the "offensive statement", and all to do with the thrill of getting someone banned for a week - a thrill some saddos seem to thrive on.

Nobody is suggesting the offensive abuse should not get punished so the anarchy element is pure hyperbole

p.pete

Hyperbole that may be, it possibly even competes with your own flowery language. I actually agree that the post should have been edited going by the charter (perfect or not). If I were to make an excuse for the mod (and I'm sure it won't be appreciated by the mod to have me making their excuses) but it was close to 1am when the moderation was made...

The Rooster

p.pete wrote:

If I were to make an excuse for the mod (and I'm sure it won't be appreciated by the mod to have me making their excuses) but it was close to 1am when the moderation was made...

Indeed, and as I said far more important to remove the reprehensible poster than to remove the comment he made which obviously was oh so offensive :rolleyes:

If the comment had genuinely been offensive, it would be long gone.

p.pete

The Rooster wrote:

Indeed, and as I said far more important to remove the reprehensible poster than to remove the comment he made which obviously was oh so offensive :rolleyes:

If the comment had genuinely been offensive, it would be long gone.

that depends really, doesn't it?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wow. Rooney has an argument in a pub and a bloke gets banned for referring to a professional football player as a 'pansy' (which is boirderline politcial correctness in itself)

I shall not be sleeping well tonight.

BaZmO*

p.pete wrote:

but it was close to 1am when the moderation was made...

Eh....no it wasn't. It was half eight in the morning.

redspider

Its always interesting to see that on many occasions the busiest and most active threads on the soccer forum are those that are discussing bannings!

For what its worth:
> Rooney should have twatted the little hair dying pansy.

That statement doesnt deserve a banning in my book. But I am not a mod. I think that mods in general should police like a community police officer, give an offender a chance to realise what he has done is an offence, then allow him to remove the offending remark, etc. And no-one else would be any the wiser.

I also think that if people have a problem with the decisions of a mod, that they should do so in clear, non-emotional language.

Raskolnikov wrote:

Allegedly, Gray asked Rooney and Colleen if he wanted to join him in a threesome. The irate Wayne then decked him.

Then Wayne asked Colleen, in his boyish voice "what's a threesome?"

:-)

yop

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Wow. Rooney has an argument in a pub and a bloke gets banned for referring to a professional football player as a 'pansy' (which is boirderline politcial correctness in itself)

I shall not be sleeping well tonight.

Have to agree, this forum is heading more to been like evening tea at Buckingham Palace than a discussion forum!
How in the name of god is calling some a pansy offensive!!
So now if we are unhappy with a player we have to call them "Bold chap" or "naught fellow" any more!! For god sake let go of this extreme PC or this forum will quickly lose its members.

On the Rooney incident if he asked him to go away a number of times and he kept at it what was he supposed to do, just continue with his dinner and let some fool mouth off beside him, I don't think so.

Attractive Nun

In fairness, I've seen many a forum (and soccer forums, in particular, for some reason) descend into namecalling and idiotry, so much so that decent discussion is impossible. Take the forum at F365, for example. While it looks pretty harsh as an isolated incident, the rule makes sense, and the mods were merely enforcing it.

Boo hoo, etc.

herbieflowers

Attractive Nun wrote:

In fairness, I've seen many a forum (and soccer forums, in particular, for some reason) descend into namecalling and idiotry, so much so that decent discussion is impossible. Take the forum at F365, for example. While it looks pretty harsh as an isolated incident, the rule makes sense, and the mods were merely enforcing it.

Boo hoo, etc.

Yeah, in fairness where do you draw the line at what's acceptable / reprehensible? (regardless of the comment made earlier on)

p.pete

The Muppet wrote:

BACK ON TOPIC,

My initial comment about the non story was directed at teh quot in the original post, obviosly if there was physical violence involved the story is news worthy. Rooney should know better than to rise to provocation but he is the victim as he was targeted for teh abuse, Most men would do extaly the same in the same circumstances, I know I would.

There is no non-story for people like Rooney - he's a high profile person who people have a great interest in, he generates news and is a role-model (unfortunately given oft' seemingly unsavoury nature).

Basicly he accepts payments for photo shoots, is happy to publish books about himself (at age 20 or whatever, I'm sure someone here can tell me it's a riveting read) and take all the accolades that come along - and then it's all boo hoo and this is a non-story if he punches someone in a restaurant.

Like I started, there is no non-story with Rooney, unfortunately.

PHB

To me this is just like the Zidane thing, it's about how far things go as a professional footballer.

I was happy Zidane and Rooney did what they did if they did it because the other person was insulting their sister/fiance, and i'd expect a lot of people would do the same as they did.

This whole, they should rise above it or else the media will ..., who cares? Football will do the talking.

Everybody knows Rooney needs to control his temperment a little, but to ask him to just sit there and listen to his future wife be insulted (assuming that's what happened) is just going to far.

p.pete

I'd agree with that PHB, spotlight or not, their still human...

~Rebel~

Id agree partially with that, noone has any right to come to rooney and give him abuse while he's having dinner with his fiance and friends and while his reaction was probably over the top lots of others would probably do the same. im sure if he'd have told Grey to go away and fck off with himself that would have made the papers too anyway!

On Zidane, he was being wound up on the pitch during a match so, personally, i think it was a bit stupid of him. If Materazzi had done it after the match in the car park or whatever then fair enough, but you have to accept winding up and messing is gonna happen in virtually every game at every level, couldn't count the number of times something like thats been said to me during a game, you just have to either give as good as you get and take it on the chin or make a point with your football.

The Rooster

I find it strange how so many public figures in France backed Zidane's head butt as protecting his family.

Total BS, in my opinion. It was just the usual claptrap you get on a football pitch. Zidane cost France the world cup. End of story, in my book.

Rooney's situation was a bit different. Not on a pitch, but in a public restaurant with 5 other friends (havent a clue who they were other than one was Colleen, but I would guess they'd be more likely to be the type of people who'd say "Wayne, you can't let him get away with saying that about Colleen", rather than the sensible type who'd tell him to ignore it, while they called over staff to eject any annoying pansy who might be in the vicinity).
Personally I would have found it much harder to restrain myself in Rooney's position than in Zidane's. But still Wayne shouldnt have done it. If he goes around punching people who verbally abuse him, he'll end up arrested.

p.pete

~Rebel~ wrote:

Id agree partially with that, noone has any right to come to rooney and give him abuse while he's having dinner with his fiance and friends and while his reaction was probably over the top lots of others would probably do the same. im sure if he'd have told Grey to go away and fck off with himself that would have made the papers too anyway!

On Zidane, he was being wound up on the pitch during a match so, personally, i think it was a bit stupid of him. If Materazzi had done it after the match in the car park or whatever then fair enough, but you have to accept winding up and messing is gonna happen in virtually every game at every level, couldn't count the number of times something like thats been said to me during a game, you just have to either give as good as you get and take it on the chin or make a point with your football.

That's fair enough ~Rebel~ but like I said above - he's happy enough to take his money for his off the pitch dealings then he should really be held accountable for his personality off it. He's happy to be paid for people to watch him putting on a new boot, there's going to be people watching when he has a scuffle in a restaurant.

I'd have more sympathy for a footballer who doesn't write books, doesn't take sponsorship and doesn't go out of their way to pander to the money-paying side of media. God knows that any player who is capable of getting to a position where they can do all that stuff is already getting paid plenty by their clubs.

His reaction was human, I just don't see how people can quibble and say this kind of crap shouldn't get in the papers...

p.pete

The Rooster wrote:

Personally I would have found it much harder to restrain myself in Rooney's position than in Zidane's. But still Wayne shouldnt have done it. If he goes around punching people who verbally abuse him, he'll end up arrested.

You don't suffer from adrenaline?

The Rooster

p.pete wrote:

You don't suffer from adrenaline?

I do yeah, but dont consider it suffering!

Sometimes you'd think Zidane was the first person ever to have his sister or mother insulted on a pitch, or that it was the first time he's ever head-butted someone on the pitch.

The former happens all the time, and almost all laugh it off or come back with something better/worse or just ignore it. The latter has happened at least 3 times in his career.

p.pete

That's all fine, but consider the extra emotion and hype involved when it's the last match of your career and it just happens to be the worldcup final. Don't get me wrong - I still find what he did unbelievable.

Bounty Hunter

these people Zidane, Rooney ect are footballig genious's and we all know that the term tempermental genious. Zidane most likely admits atleast to himself he made a mistake in a moment of madness but the French support him because they want him rememberd as their footballing genious and not for the Materazzi incident. Meanwhile Rooney will probably never lose that edge to his personality but does the footballing world not want him to keep it, it is what makes him chase and defend despite his position not just what gets him booked.

Lemlin

Gray is sporting a bit of a shiner at today's Rovers game anyway.

Ronan|Raven

I fail to see what the big deal is about, two grown men argue and one strikes the other. Society as we know it will crumble.

The Muppet

ppete wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Muppet
I would be very surprised it that post was reported at all.

Really? how surprised? Maybe the charter isn't perfect and needs to be looked at, but as is the post in question was in breach of it - the forum would go down the pan if the anarchy you're proposing were allowed. You or pornapster or whoever else who feels agrieved can start a feedback thread if wanted

Very Very surprised, unless you are making a confession? I don't believe anyone reported the post , You're a mod so you are notified of ALL the repoted post's , Was it reported before Pornapster was banned? If not I'm afraid it's yet another example of poor moderation of this forum. My comments on this does not constitute feeback IMO and these type threads on feedback usally degrade into Mod wannbe's pushing their agenda. If you want to start one work ahead , I may contribute.;)

p.pete wrote:

There is no non-story for people like Rooney - he's a high profile person who people have a great interest in, he generates news and is a role-model (unfortunately given oft' seemingly unsavoury nature)..

That depens on what you class as news, If you believe that every story printed in a newspaper is actually news , well then you are correct.

p.pete wrote:

Basicly he accepts payments for photo shoots, is happy to publish books about himself (at age 20 or whatever, I'm sure someone here can tell me it's a riveting read) and take all the accolades that come along - and then it's all boo hoo and this is a non-story if he punches someone in a restaurant.

Like I started, there is no non-story with Rooney, unfortunately.

Everyone accept's payment for their work, doesnt mean they are not entitled to a private life as you suggest. He was having a meal with his girlfriend , not out kerbcrawling.;)

RE*AC*TOR

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

Rooney really should rise above these kind of things. Otherwise he will end up being labelled a common thug.

I have got to say, that is the funniest line I have read all year on boards!

GuanYin

Lads, if you want to complain about the moderation, you are perfectly free to do so in the appropriate manner. That is by PM or by feedback. Posts here will be binned.

Every single one of you has read the charter and agreed to abide by the rules. You may disagree with the rules, you may not like the rules, but having agreed to abide by them, if you break them, you risk being banned.

Now, further comments in th eproper places. Thank you.

Back on topic.

I'll edit this, because some people seem a little unclear by the message. If you have any more comments or requests, PM me or another soccer mod OR start a feedback thread. If you do, and want me to move specific posts here, please PM me.

If there is no specified thread for me to move posts to, I won't be moving them as I believe there should be a specific complaint to address rather than just random opinions.

AthAnRi

irish1 wrote:

How the hell can you say Rooney was dead right to hit him??? Were you there? did gray try to hit Rooney because if he hit him purely based on something Gray said he's pretty foolish. If everyone resorted to violence any time someone said something to wind them up what kind of world would we live in.

Rooney should have laughed at Gray and then ignored him if he was winding him up, but hey I guess some people can do no wrong when you have red tinted glasses on.

You might want to come out of the fog there son. Guess what people get punched for saying stuff. It happens all the time. The world isn't gonna end because of it. Sometime people can be too smart and they end up getting a punch or a slap.

The fact that Gray himself didn't report the incident suggests to me that even he know he probably over stepped the mark. You play with mathces your gonna get burnt.

According to reports Rooney asked him a number of times to piss off.

Were you there? Because if you weren't then you are going on exactly the same information as me.

'red tinted glasses' very original.

p.pete

What irish1 said was "How the hell can you say Rooney was dead right to hit him???" - and all you've done is say that people get slapped for being stupid. Very clever, doesn't make it right though - far from it.