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RidleyRider · 21-11-2012 12:29pm

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

One more question:
When taking N.O. Xplode - whats the general consensus with taking a creatine supp?

As far as I understand it there's ~3g per serving, however I only take it pre-workout. So should I be taking a creatine supp on my days off?

Go on the loading phase first and saturate your muscles, post-loading phase continue you to take 5gm doses each day. So- yes to answer your question

DM_7 · 21-11-2012 9:08pm

Are the prices in the Fitness Ireland shop (Smithfield) higher than the online prices?

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 21-11-2012 10:27pm

RidleyRider wrote: »

Go on the loading phase first and saturate your muscles, post-loading phase continue you to take 5gm doses each day. So- yes to answer your question

Ya that's pretty much what I was thinking, not sure I really need the loading phase now but will up the amounts to 5gm per day.

Cheers all for the help!

RidleyRider · 21-11-2012 11:47pm

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Ya that's pretty much what I was thinking, not sure I really need the loading phase now but will up the amounts to 5gm per day.

Cheers all for the help!

If you read the side of your tub I'm sure theres instructions on it of how and when to take although I do recommend the loading phase for starting.

double GG · 22-11-2012 2:40am

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

One more question:
When taking N.O. Xplode - whats the general consensus with taking a creatine supp?

As far as I understand it there's ~3g per serving, however I only take it pre-workout. So should I be taking a creatine supp on my days off?

Yeah just hit 3-5g per day depending on your weight.

RidleyRider wrote: »

Go on the loading phase first and saturate your muscles, post-loading phase continue you to take 5gm doses each day. So- yes to answer your question

Absolutely no need to load at all. Just another way for companies to make you buy more. 3-5g is all that's needed.

RidleyRider · 22-11-2012 2:45am

double GG wrote: »

Absolutely no need to load at all. Just another way for companies to make you buy more. 3-5g is all that's needed.

Would have considered the loading phase important to saturate the muscles fast to get optimum performance and results?

double GG · 22-11-2012 11:01am

RidleyRider wrote: »

Would have considered the loading phase important to saturate the muscles fast to get optimum performance and results?

Nope not necessary, many studies have been done and articles written on it. Taking the 20-25g for 5-7 days, produces the same saturated creatine levels in the muscle as taking your 'maintenance' 3-5g for 28 days.

So no point taking so much in this 'loading phase'. I know most Creatine is very cheap but still no need to load.

RidleyRider · 22-11-2012 1:43pm

double GG wrote: »

Nope not necessary, many studies have been done and articles written on it. Taking the 20-25g for 5-7 days, produces the same saturated creatine levels in the muscle as taking your 'maintenance' 3-5g for 28 days.

So no point taking so much in this 'loading phase'. I know most Creatine is very cheap but still no need to load.

Yeah but as you said yourself it takes a lot longer to saturate the muscles on 3-5g rather than 20-25g for 5-7 days and then going on 'maintenance phase post loading. Least you'll have the muscles saturated and begin to see results sooner.

Gummy Panda · 22-11-2012 2:50pm

RidleyRider wrote: »

Yeah but as you said yourself it takes a lot longer to saturate the muscles on 3-5g rather than 20-25g for 5-7 days and then going on 'maintenance phase post loading. Least you'll have the muscles saturated and begin to see results sooner.

either way works but people complain about stomach cramps from creatine loading so 5g is the easier option.

Danye · 22-11-2012 4:47pm

I'm looking at picking up some omega 3, vitamin D and some multi vitamins this weekend.

Are the likes of Holland & Barrets own brands of these mentioned products as good as the dearer versions that you would find in some supplement shops??

double GG · 22-11-2012 6:38pm

RidleyRider wrote: »

Yeah but as you said yourself it takes a lot longer to saturate the muscles on 3-5g rather than 20-25g for 5-7 days and then going on 'maintenance phase post loading. Least you'll have the muscles saturated and begin to see results sooner.

But the results will be the exact same? There is no difference bar very slight gains earlier on, but no longer term benefits.

Ingesting 20g of creatine is a lot and can cause stomach cramps, nausea etc.. And like I said the cost of the Creatine is a big factor, so why bother taking the large quantities of Creatine and spending more money when the results will be the exact same?

Danye wrote: »

I'm looking at picking up some omega 3, vitamin D and some multi vitamins this weekend.

Are the likes of Holland & Barrets own brands of these mentioned products as good as the dearer versions that you would find in some supplement shops??

Yeah most are the same. Just check the ingredients that there are no fillers, sweeteners etc....

Danye · 22-11-2012 7:03pm

double GG wrote: »

Yeah most are the same. Just check the ingredients that there are no fillers, sweeteners etc....

Having a look at some of them there and some of them do have bulking powders although they seem to have a high percentage of the RDA.

What do you think?

Zombienosh · 22-11-2012 10:09pm

I was never a fan of holland and barret stuff, think its cheap for a reason.

A_Sober_Paddy · 22-11-2012 10:18pm

Zombienosh wrote: »

I was never a fan of holland and barret stuff, think its cheap for a reason.

You've not been in one of their stores for a while have you?

gene_tunney · 22-11-2012 11:41pm

double GG wrote: »

Nope not necessary, many studies have been done and articles written on it. Taking the 20-25g for 5-7 days, produces the same saturated creatine levels in the muscle as taking your 'maintenance' 3-5g for 28 days.

So no point taking so much in this 'loading phase'. I know most Creatine is very cheap but still no need to load.

Good job.

The creatine loading phase is one of the biggest myths circulating these days, up there with post-workout protein window.

double GG · 23-11-2012 1:46am

gene_tunney wrote: »

Good job.

The cholesterol loading phase is one of the biggest myths circulating these days, up there with post-workout protein window.

Those people being in the 'Must have a whey shake within 3.543 minutes of my workout finishing or the workout will be a waste of time' club.

omeatheopian · 23-11-2012 5:50pm

Hi guys. Just wondering is there any advantage to either of these products? ON is almost 10 euro more expensive, and I was wondering is this justified? Is Kinetica a decent protein, or should I buy something else?

Thanks in advance

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 23-11-2012 6:57pm

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Has anyone ever ordered from www.perfectbody.ie before?

They seem to have some great stock and pretty good prices - I can't find the stuff I'm looking for on MP...

Ordered off these guys last night and my stuff arrived today, great service!

Got a free shaker, Glucosamine tabs and some free samples too...

POSSY · 24-11-2012 12:05am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

You've not been in one of their stores for a while have you?

100% AGREE! Holland and Barrett is daylight robbery. Their whey protien is 30e for 2 lbs... doesn't compare well with (a far superior product) ON 100% GS Whey which you'll pick up in any nutrition store for about 60e for 5lbs.... plus I'd a look at the holland and barrett whey yday... looks a bit hight on the saturated fat side... if I recall correctly its like 70% protien and 10% fat vs ON which can (depending slightly on flavour) be up to 84% protien and 4% fat.

Holland and Barrett... it ain't cheap!

A_Sober_Paddy · 24-11-2012 1:12am

omeatheopian wrote: »

Hi guys. Just wondering is there any advantage to either of these products? ON is almost 10 euro more expensive, and I was wondering is this justified? Is Kinetica a decent protein, or should I buy something else?

Thanks in advance

Both made in the same factory, by the same company(Glanbia) from the same whey...Both the market leaders, only difference is that ON mixes better then Kinetica

Oisinjm · 24-11-2012 2:31am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Both made in the same factory, by the same company(Glanbia) from the same whey...Both the market leaders, only difference is that ON mixes better then Kinetica

Sorry, but you're wrong here. The only difference is not that Optimum Nutrition whey mixes better than Kinetica whey. It does, but there's also the different blends of proteins both have, different flavourings and taste and also they're not made in the same factories and Kinetica isn't owned by Glanbia as far as I know. A lot of what you hear in the gym off those "in the know" is a load of bóllox and they don't have a breeze what they're on about in terms of supplements.

Kinetica

Biotein™ Protein Blend (Ultra Filtered Whey Protein Concentrate, Cross-Flow-Micro-filtered Whey Protein Isolate, Hydrolysed Whey Protein Concentrate)

Optimum Nutrition

Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolates*[contains Emulsifier: Soy leitchen], Whey Protein Concentrates*, Whey Peptides)

To answer the original question though. If you're just looking for a protein to aid with recovery, not counting every gram etc. and/or have your diet in check then there's no real need to spend the extra cash on ON. It'll do the job you need it for.

Oisín

JJayoo · 24-11-2012 4:15am

Good call Chimp, www.perfectbody.ie offers next day delivery plus a free gift :pac: Must have free gift.

Gummy Panda · 24-11-2012 2:23pm

Oisinjm wrote: »

Sorry, but you're wrong here. The only difference is not that Optimum Nutrition whey mixes better than Kinetica whey. It does, but there's also the different blends of proteins both have, different flavourings and taste and also they're not made in the same factories and Kinetica isn't owned by Glanbia as far as I know.

Kinetica is owned by Carbery Dairies. They make Dubliner cheese

Dermighty · 24-11-2012 7:22pm

I'd like to say Optimum Nutrition Hydrobuilder is a great product.

A_Sober_Paddy · 24-11-2012 9:03pm

Oisinjm wrote: »

Sorry, but you're wrong here. The only difference is not that Optimum Nutrition whey mixes better than Kinetica whey. It does, but there's also the different blends of proteins both have, different flavourings and taste and also they're not made in the same factories and Kinetica isn't owned by Glanbia as far as I know. A lot of what you hear in the gym off those "in the know" is a load of bóllox and they don't have a breeze what they're on about in terms of supplements.

Kinetica

Optimum Nutrition

To answer the original question though. If you're just looking for a protein to aid with recovery, not counting every gram etc. and/or have your diet in check then there's no real need to spend the extra cash on ON. It'll do the job you need it for.

Oisín

Know someone who works for Kinetica, they are owned by glanbia(if not owned its the same whey, FACT).

I've tasted both, and used both as have many of my mates, they are very similar products

The Guvnor · 24-11-2012 9:08pm

POSSY wrote: »

100% AGREE! Holland and Barrett is daylight robbery. Their whey protien is 30e for 2 lbs... doesn't compare well with (a far superior product) ON 100% GS Whey which you'll pick up in any nutrition store for about 60e for 5lbs.... plus I'd a look at the holland and barrett whey yday... looks a bit hight on the saturated fat side... if I recall correctly its like 70% protien and 10% fat vs ON which can (depending slightly on flavour) be up to 84% protien and 4% fat.

Holland and Barrett... it ain't cheap!

ON range from 72.7%-82.5% for protein %.

H&B are part of a $4 Billion Dollar company, the same company own Solgar amongst many other brands.

The Guvnor · 24-11-2012 9:13pm

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Know someone who works for Kinetica, they are owned by glanbia(if not owned its the same whey, FACT).

I've tasted both, and used both as have many of my mates, they are very similar products

It's not the same whey and it's not the same company.
Carbery manufacture whey in Cork and Glanbia do likewise albeit elsewhere.

If the whey is manufactured in a similar manner it will not be that different and recipes will be similar in terms of amounts of flavour and sweetener used etc.

If you nip onto the Kinetica site it goes on about their heritage etc.

Gummy Panda · 24-11-2012 10:33pm

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Know someone who works for Kinetica, they are owned by glanbia(if not owned its the same whey, FACT).

I've tasted both, and used both as have many of my mates, they are very similar products

Why would a dairy buy whey from another dairy so they can enter the supplement market?

The whole point of a dairy buying or creating their own supplement company is to make more money off their own whey that they allocate to sports products.

nbrady20009 · 25-11-2012 5:55pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

Good job.

The creatine loading phase is one of the biggest myths circulating these days, up there with post-workout protein window.

Neither of these are myths.

See: Suzuki et al. (1999) J Nutr Sci Vitaminol
Burke et al. (2000) Dietary supplements and nutritional ergogenic aids in sport. Ch. 17 pp. 3455-553. In: Clinical Sports Nutrition (2nd ed.)

double GG · 25-11-2012 8:56pm

nbrady20009 wrote: »

Neither of these are myths.

See: Suzuki et al. (1999) J Nutr Sci Vitaminol
Burke et al. (2000) Dietary supplements and nutritional ergogenic aids in sport. Ch. 17 pp. 3455-553. In: Clinical Sports Nutrition (2nd ed.)

I can't read either of the articles you posted but as I said before the loading phase is not neccessary and will yield the same results after 1 month.

Not sure what you mean about the other 'myth'

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