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Piste

I would love to have been taught a 3rd language from an very early age, I know my dad tried teaching me French when I was 8/9 but I wasn't interested, I kinda regret that now.

On the subject of literature and stuff, Im not so sure about literature, but I do know a German girl who, when she was in school, could write essays on politics in French and English which I'd say would be quite difficult so by that age she must have had quite a high standard.

philologos

thats actually incredible about the German girl I must say. Although I think more of an effort to teach the more uncommon languages (e.g they have added Slovak, Polish, Czech, Dutch, and Swedish to the course recently *last year or year before*) should take place in the near future. In addition to that Arabic is on at the same time as Irish during the Leaving Cert. I think it should be taken as a foreign language like Japanese is. although my school wouldn't teach Arabic anyway. If it did I would had taken it without question.

brownbread

Jakkass wrote:

brownbread does seem slightly immature for slagging people because they didn't get an A in Irish... it's not even particularly funny to be honest.

jesus i was only joking.........when i say i slagged them i didnt ACTUALLY......it was me being sarcastic and having a laugh with them,thats why i used the laughing things after what i said.god lighten up and btw im very mature ill have you know;)

philologos

brownbread wrote:

jesus i was only joking.........when i say i slagged them i didnt ACTUALLY......it was me being sarcastic and having a laugh with them,thats why i used the laughing things after what i said.god lighten up and btw im very mature ill have you know;)

Will people ever learn, sarcasm is almost impossible to find in text. And on the maturity front... prove it to us

JSK 252

The irish language in schools needs some fine tuning but not a lot. The new Irish Government advertisement highlights the growing decline of our native language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrtioJlaQeE

(Dara O Cinneide)
First man says: Maybe we're the last generation that will put pen to paper.

N'fheadar an sinne an ghlúin deireanach a chuirfidh peann le pár?

(Conal from Ros na Run)
Next man says: Maybe we're the last generation that'll be able to buy our own houses.

B'fhéidir gur muidinne an ghlúin deireanach agus ábalta ár dteach féin a cheannacht.

(Sile Seoige)
Girl says: Maybe we're the last generation not to choose a bit of nip and tuck.

Seans maith gur muide an ghlúin deiridh nach roghnóidh nip agus tuck.

PurpleFistMixer

What would the internet be without sarcasm? Plz.

Piste

Yup, if it isn't sarcastic it's probably porn.

Acid_Violet

Piste wrote:

A lot of Irish teenagers' Irish would not be as good as European Teenagers' English at the same age despite being taught for the same amount of time.

That's what I was saying! And that was what I found when talking to people from foreign countries.

Jakkass wrote:

The reason the standard of English is better is because they start learning it when we start learning Irish (according to what I heard about Montenegro and other countries) simple. We are expected to be tri-lingual while they are expected to be bi-lingual.

It's not as simple as that. I've three friends from Switzerland who are 15 also. They all are fluent in Italian (their mother tongue) and Spanish and French because they learnt it in school. Two of them are fluent in English also and one of those two would have the same level of German as some-one who's done LC Irish, imho. All these languages they learnt in school. When I was in Italy, I met a german girl who had better English than most native english speakers and the same with her French.

I don't think for one second that it's the fact that we're apparently expected to be tri-lingual that causes the sub-standard that is very evident from experiencing the high standard of communication that other countries produce. I think the sub-standard in all secondary languages in our country, and other english speaking countries also for what it's worth, are for these reasons.

1. Irish isn't taught like a secondary language/foreign language like it should be. It's taught with the emphasis of not letting it die out, not so that it can be utilised, or at least that's what I found. People consider it useless and they're right too some-what if it can be rarely used and it's promoted as a quinessential part of our culture and heritage, when people clearly have no interest in our culture and heritage.

2. The LC is conducted as a big memory test, all a points race. Little emphasis is placed on actually learning. A lot of people only do a language to get into college. You can easily get a good grade in a foreign language by block learning phrases.

3. There is less incentive when most foreigner's speak english well and when the media communicates primarily through english.

As I said before, if irish was taught in a more practical way and promoted as beneficial for things like getting a job abroad and developing language skills and the curriculm changed, I think it would flourish to some realistic extent.

I'm not saying that everyone who does the leaving has no interest in learning and education and don't really care about other languages, but that's definitely the way with a lot of people. Admitt it, it really is a farce that benefit's people with parrot memory.

Piste

Interestingly enough, Lush on Grafton street are hiring at the moment, but they'll only hire people with at least two European languages (English counts) but they wont count Irish as one, despite it bring an official European Language.

If I ever have kids I'm going to raise them through several languages, Probably Irish and French, and they can learn English in school.

ANarcho-Munk

Piste wrote:

If I ever have kids I'm going to raise them through several languages, Probably Irish and French, and they can learn English in school.

Piste wrote:

I know my dad tried teaching me French when I was 8/9 but I wasn't interested.

It'd be easier to get children to listen to obscure 1600's russian jazz than tapes of irish and french.

Piste

No not tapes, I'd speak with them directly, from when they're born, not 8/9 or they'll end up like me.

ANarcho-Munk

Piste wrote:

No not tapes, I'd speak with them directly, from when they're born, not 8/9 or they'll end up like me.

Teach them LC maths while you're at it.

Piste

Yup i'll bring them up to speak fluent...maths.

Acid_Violet

ANarcho-Munk wrote:

Teach them LC maths while you're at it.

Yes, because it isn't a well known fact that children find it easier to pick up second and third languages the younger they are and that they are often able to learn several at a young age.

PurpleFistMixer

And why couldn't kids learn maths at a young age?

philologos

Piste wrote:

If I ever have kids I'm going to raise them through several languages, Probably Irish and French, and they can learn English in school.

Thats not a good idea in my opinion anyway, if you have some flaws in your Irish or indeed French, they will also be passed onto your child. Whereas with English as your first language is more likely to be fine tuned. Secondly English is as people have said more useful, but you could start French or Irish indeed by the time they reached about 3 or 4 just to start them off on it.

ANarcho-Munk

Acid_Violet wrote:

Yes, because it isn't a well known fact that children find it easier to pick up second and third languages the younger they are and that they are often able to learn several at a young age.

Why so bitter?

If you read my first post you'd know I was only fooling around (as I always do)

You need to loosen up a little...

Piste

Jakkass wrote:

Thats not a good idea in my opinion anyway, if you have some flaws in your Irish or indeed French, they will also be passed onto your child. Whereas with English as your first language is more likely to be fine tuned. Secondly English is as people have said more useful, but you could start French or Irish indeed by the time they reached about 3 or 4 just to start them off on it.

Nah I'm intending on having fluent French/ hopefully Irish by the time I'm of child-having age.

philologos

There could be huge implications if the child didnt pick up English before 4 though if you were staying in Ireland.

PurpleFistMixer

What, that the child's first language may not in fact be English?

oRlyYaRly

LOL crap parenting.

Jello

LOL parent planning in a JC forum.

oRlyYaRly

LOL Junior Cert Results thread still active in October.

philologos

Jello wrote:

LOL parent planning in a JC forum.

yes the thread has kinda swayed off topic... *me points at Piste*

oRlyYaRly

But did she morbulate the contabola maradas? I think NOT!

PurpleFistMixer

Is that English?

oRlyYaRly

PurpleFistMixer wrote:

Is that English?

According to Piste's kids.

Piste

STOP TALKING ABOUT MY KIDS! (that I do not have)

If they come to exist they will become my army of the night and shall be fluent in many, many languages.

If every thread that strayed off-topic were closed then where would the fun be? I'll only lock threads if a) a new thread could be formed discussing whatever the topic of conversation has developed into, or b) the thread has degenerate dinto spam.

No point being a Nazi Mod

curliq

but what about a nazi would-be mother?

PurpleFistMixer

Can I be a nazi mod?

This thread is getting awfully off topic though. I could cut the relevant things and put them into a new thread (ie the discussion of irish language or whatnot) if anyone is actually interested in the topic.