No Moderators Please

Big Nelly

WhiteWashMan wrote:

mud slinging contest that goes on here between myself and big nelly.

Who slinging mud? could cause an accident that!!

Dont close the thread, too much fun!!:p

WhiteWashMan

Just My View wrote:

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Most mods don't abuse their privileged positions around here but some do, too many in my opinion. There are some excellent really mods on Boards, don't get me wrong. I have the greatest respect for the vast majority of mods and appreciate the mostly un-acknowledged voluntary effort put in by them. Nevertheless there are some seriously questionable mods about..

by the way, since you dont post here much, you should have absolutely no problem in naming and shaming.

i mean, there are loads of moderators out there that may be doing a bad job, and the admins are not aware of. you may be bringing some issues to light that would otherwise have been kept in the dark.

and if someone like myself, or another moderator, is really really awful, then i think its about time they were removed. dont you.

and like i said, since all you do is read, then you should have absolutely no problem with this name and shame campaign.

but, with all trials, they are innocent until proven guilty, so you may need to provide evidence, and not just hearsay. coz thats what big nelly does all the time.

in fact, i bet you dont even know what big nellys problem is, do you. becuase all we hear is 'mods this and mods that, and i was abused in feedback once and banned by an admin'.
in fact, im wondering what big nellys problem with me is, since all i ever do is ask him for proof of all this terriblness that he complains about. he never gives it though.

now, must check the ryder cup scores.

keep us updated of your progress in your trial preperation.

amp

WhiteWashMan wrote:

oh, and awful thread re-opened. sorry gib, but its only fair that some people get to air their views.

Fair? Air their views? What's next? Democracy? What happened to your oath to always back up your fellow mod, even he isn't one of us higher up Cat mods?

after all, i wouldnt want to be accused of censoring someones point of view, or the right to reply.
god, i dont think i could cope with another thread like this in such short succession!

I sincerely hope that this lefty neo-liberal PC nonsense you're spouting is the result of some bump to the head and not a permanent deviation from the Moderator credo.

As a card carying, badge wearing member of the National Socialist Moderators Workers Party it is your duty to stamp out these non-conformists.

What a lot of the peasant users fail to realise is that we rule by decree, handed down from the Admins (blessed be their names). We are not voted in we do not have to stick to a mandate and therefore we can do whatever we like.

It's a system akin to the fuedal system. Moderators (Lords) are given titles and lands (forums) by the Admins (Kings).

I enjoy riding round my vast estate on horseback, chasing down peasants for sport. On occasion I will send my pet eagle (Humphrey) to wound my prey so that I can fornicate with one of the many peasant wenches that follow me around (driven mad with lust by my immense power and handsome features) and still have time to dispatch the peasant to the next life.

Yes, it's a good life being a moderator. I'd watch your attitude Wwman or I may have to inform the Gestapo (Victor).

Smellyirishman

WhiteWashMan wrote:

by the way, since you dont post here much, you should have absolutely no problem in naming and shaming.

i mean, there are loads of moderators out there that may be doing a bad job, and the admins are not aware of. you may be bringing some issues to light that would otherwise have been kept in the dark.

Why would he, since his opinion is not "effective"?

I think his post was well written, wether or not he is a dual account, I don't know, I don't care. Some of it speaks true IMO and obviously some of the posters with more "effective" opinions also agreed. Now, I do not have a problem with any of the mods on boards, yes, I think some of them are prone to human nature and can "protect thier own"/"have an ego" etc... but for the most part, the job is done. I have seen people banned for "personal abuse" when mods or long time posters would have gotten away with it, it's simply how things work (And no, I am not going to link or anything, I am not digging through pages of threads when I know that you are well aware of how opinions and circumstances change how mods react). In the end it's just the internet and this childish bull has carried on far longer than I can believe you have allowed it to WWM (as I think you're a fairly sensible guy).

Can we please close this crap once WWM comes back with his retort.

Oh and PS

WWM wrote:

now, must check the ryder cup scores.

Fill me in please.

FlutterinBantam

2 .1/2 to 1.1/2 to Europe....

WhiteWashMan

Smellyirishman wrote:

Why would he, since his opinion is not "effective"?

it may be inneffective, but im still willing to listen.

Smellyirishman wrote:

I think his post was well written, .

yeah, i think james joyce wrote well, doesnt mean i dont enjoy what he wrote.
i could be flowery and full of prose if i want to, but i choose not to. dont mistake what is written, with what is said.

Smellyirishman wrote:

Some of it speaks true IMO and obviously some of the posters with more "effective" opinions also agreed. Now, I do not have a problem with any of the mods on boards, yes, I think some of them are prone to human nature and can "protect thier own"/"have an ego" etc... but for the most part, the job is done. I have seen people banned for "personal abuse" when mods or long time posters would have gotten away with it, it's simply how things work (And no, I am not going to link or anything, I am not digging through pages of threads when I know that you are well aware of how opinions and circumstances change how mods react). In the end it's just the internet and this childish bull has carried on far longer than I can believe you have allowed it to WWM (as I think you're a fairly sensible guy).

now, and this may be hard for some people to understand.

i dont disagree. in fact, i dont disagree with some of the things that big nelly says. personally, i think there are some mods on these fora that are crap. i think there are some mods that do silly things. i think there are some mods that ban because they can.
what other mods do, is between other mods and admin. and since big nelly has talked about the mod forum earlier, let it be known that i have been very critical of certain mods for what they have done. and i have echoed those criticisms in the feedback forum.

as no doubt our esteemed long time reader, not so long poster can attest to, having apparently read every post on there and gone back through each and every one of them (which i have to admit i think is bull****, but there you go)

what i do not like, and this goes across the board, is people coming out with tripe like 'the mods are crap' etc etc etc.
im not a big fan of 'some mods' are this that and the other. which is why i immeditaly fly into the 'give us some proof, let us know' stance.

if people cant do that, then all they have is opinions. and once you start thinking that opinions count as statistics, then youre waaaaaaay of track people. i dont go out to change peoples opinions. thats not my business. i certainly question people why they hold those opinions. becuase i also feel that opinions without a reason are pointless.

and the only reason i have allowed this thread to go so far, is because im bored. and once a thread is opinioned out, i tend to let it drift off from logical conversation into drivel.

however, the intervention of long time reader, not so long time poster has caught the attention of people. simply becuase the poster has tried to come across as a 'nuetral observer' and yet has not posted up anything that anyone else hasnt said before, but really, has not added anything to this.

but my point goes back. if there really is an issue with 'bad mods' then why do only certain people keep saying it without backing it up?
why is always the same people, who have had issues before, who always moan and complain, but dont seem to want to consider a solution to it. other than 'there should be no moderators' (which is not realistic)

say hello to humphrey for me amp.

Smellyirishman

WhiteWashMan wrote:

now, and this may be hard for some people to understand.

i dont disagree.

What?
No!
No, that's not what was supposed to happen at all!

WhiteWashMan wrote:

as no doubt our esteemed long time reader, not so long poster can attest to, having apparently read every post on there and gone back through each and every one of them (which i have to admit i think is bull****, but there you go)

Well now, he never claimed to have read every thread/post. Just that the ones he did read in his time, he fully traced back (IE, followed the links that would be posted in such feedback threads)

Long time user, ... wrote:

a "neutral" observer who has spent a lot of time reading "Feedback" and then backtracking the issues raised to the originating threads.

WWM wrote:

what i do not like, and this goes across the board, is people coming out with tripe like 'the mods are crap' etc etc etc.
im not a big fan of 'some mods' are this that and the other. which is why i immeditaly fly into the 'give us some proof, let us know' stance.

if people cant do that, then all they have is opinions. and once you start thinking that opinions count as statistics, then youre waaaaaaay of track people. i dont go out to change peoples opinions. thats not my business. i certainly question people why they hold those opinions. becuase i also feel that opinions without a reason are pointless.

and the only reason i have allowed this thread to go so far, is because im bored. and once a thread is opinioned out, i tend to let it drift off from logical conversation into drivel.

Definitly, I agree that the "Mods suck. End of story" posts are old, futile and annoying. I just feel that you have been baiting it a little in this thread, when really it could have been cut short a long time ago, or just let them rant away after an initial "lets-talk-sense-post", nobody is really paying attention to the doomsayers after all.

WhiteWashMan

Smellyirishman wrote:

Definitly, I agree that the "Mods suck. End of story" posts are old, futile and annoying. I just feel that you have been baiting it a little in this thread, when really it could have been cut short a long time ago, or just let them rant away after an initial "lets-talk-sense-post", nobody is really paying attention to the doomsayers after all.

oh, theres definate baiting go on.

im trying to get someone to either put up, or shut up. if theres a case to be answered, then let it be made, otherwise, god almighty, shut up and stop whinging.

and lets be fair kids, i normally go with the later, but then i get the 'all the mods stick together adn tell me to shut up, theres a conspiracy' type threads.

its actually a no win situation.

so, when im bored, i try and get to the bottom of it. but it looks like its not going to happen, and once again, all i can say is that this has been a thread full of moaning and whinging. mostly by me and big nelly actually. now, i dont know about big nelly, but i sure as hell feel better. very theraputic, so worse case scenario is that i am feeling better

Just My View

WhiteWashMan wrote:

...since youre a long time reader, and long time no poster...

To be repeated ad nausem until you feel you have have somehow belittled the poster concerned. A bit primary school teacherish if you don't mind me saying so.

WhiteWashMan wrote:

since you only came on here to post on this thread, you wont mind me getting someone to ban this account.

since for starters, youre a voyuer, and not an active participant on this site (which doesnt really entitle you to an effective opinion in my books), and secondly, if you were going to take part, im sure you wouldnt want such a stupid name as 'just my view'

i mean seriously, were you going to give someone elses view?
or maybe you are?

How did you come to that conclusion? This may be the start of a long and illustrious posting career. Unless of course you abuse your powers and have me banned for absolutely no reason.

I chose the name "Just My View" for reasons of modesty. To highlight the absolute un-importance of what I write. I have no status or influence just a personal viewpoint.

May I ask why you chose "WhiteWashMan" ? To "whitewash" can mean to hide or cover up something dirty, shameful, unsavoury, often the truth.
Is that how you view your niche on boards? A cover-it-up kinda guy.

amp

Definitly, I agree that the "Mods suck. End of story" posts are old, futile and annoying. I just feel that you have been baiting it a little in this thread, when really it could have been cut short a long time ago, or just let them rant away after an initial "lets-talk-sense-post", nobody is really paying attention to the doomsayers after all.

Where's the sport in that? You're never going to get into the Moderators party with comments like this.

Big Nelly

Just My View wrote:

Unless of course you abuse your powers and have me banned for absolutely no reason.

You have found the mod there if he isnt trying to get you banned he will try a ban you himself!!!

6th

How come you are not banned then BN? I've been banned by WWM and i deserved it when it happened.

Just My View

Big Nelly wrote:

You have found the mod there if he isnt trying to get you banned he will try a ban you himself!!!

I fully realise that I am posting in a forum that WWM has the power to ban posters from.
But on what grounds?
Have I done anything to justify a ban?
Have I been warned that my conduct was un-acceptable?

From what I have seen before there is usually a double act that starts around now.
First I'll be goaded, then I make an unguarded comment and then another mod bans me. The first mod says "Hey nothing to do with me I didn't ban you" and all continues as normal in boardsland. The mods rumble on and anyone who has the temerity to suggest they are less than gods is crushed.

Did I miss anything?

6th

wow maybe you have been reading on here for a while (personally i still think its a duel account).

Anyway who says they need a reason to ban people ... its not a democracy.

nesf

Just My View wrote:

To be repeated ad nausem until you feel you have have somehow belittled the poster concerned. A bit primary school teacherish if you don't mind me saying so.



How did you come to that conclusion? This may be the start of a long and illustrious posting career. Unless of course you abuse your powers and have me banned for absolutely no reason.

I chose the name "Just My View" for reasons of modesty. To highlight the absolute un-importance of what I write. I have no status or influence just a personal viewpoint.

May I ask why you chose "WhiteWashMan" ? To "whitewash" can mean to hide or cover up something dirty, shameful, unsavoury, often the truth.
Is that how you view your niche on boards? A cover-it-up kinda guy.

Look, quit the bitching. If you want to contribute to this thread to linking to one of the many feedback threads that helped you form your views then that's cool, we can discuss them and whatnot. Otherwise don't bother posting, you aren't adding anything to the thread except more white noise.

amp

Just My View wrote:

I fully realise that I am posting in a forum that WWM has the power to ban posters from.
But on what grounds?
Have I done anything to justify a ban?
Have I been warned that my conduct was un-acceptable?

Our scans of your computer are not yet finished. Patience newbling, patience.

From what I have seen before there is usually a double act that starts around now.
First I'll be goaded, then I make an unguarded comment and then another mod bans me. The first mod says "Hey nothing to do with me I didn't ban you" and all continues as normal in boardsland. The mods rumble on and anyone who has the temerity to suggest they are less than gods is crushed.

Did I miss anything?

You didn't seem to call us nazi's. If you do, I'll ban you. In fact if you post again, I'll ban you AND let Humphrey loose on you.

Wwman: Humphrey says hi. At least I think that's what BRAAAAAWWWK!!!! means.

Just My View

I didn't realise I was bitching. I thought I was contributing to the topic as raised in the OP.

Carcharodon wrote:

Is it just me or do moderators annoy anyone else, the majority of them seem to be stuck so far up their own arses its unreal.
Ahhhhh, is it a pure ego thing to be a moderator or is it actually the thing that we should all thrive to be......

I must have been mistaken. I thought the idea was to respond and give views on the general standard of moderation.

I can only hope this misunderstanding on my part isn't cause for a ban as per my last post.

Just My View

amp wrote:

Our scans of your computer are not yet finished. Patience newbling, patience.




You didn't seem to call us nazi's. If you do, I'll ban you. In fact if you post again, I'll ban you AND let Humphrey loose on you.

Wwman: Humphrey says hi. At least I think that's what BRAAAAAWWWK!!!! means.

I am aware of IP checks etc, hence my constant logging out. But is posting a bannable offence?

amp

Right that's it! I've had enough of your impudence, peasant boy! BANNED FOR LIFE!

Edit: Your signature is slightly incorrect. Acton actually said "Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely." It's not a given. Of course in the case of boards.ie, which has none of the power = money that Acton's quote is in the context of, it may not apply. I'm fairly sure he'd no internet access back then. Or it's possible I banned him for being a lefty liberal pc communist using the tag team method.

It's hard to keep track of all the people I've abused here as a moderator.

WhiteWashMan

Big Nelly wrote:

You have found the mod there if he isnt trying to get you banned he will try a ban you himself!!!

and here we go.

give me proof where i have done that.

just my view wrote:

From what I have seen before there is usually a double act that starts around now.
First I'll be goaded, then I make an unguarded comment and then another mod bans me. The first mod says "Hey nothing to do with me I didn't ban you" and all continues as normal in boardsland. The mods rumble on and anyone who has the temerity to suggest they are less than gods is crushed.

Did I miss anything?

ahahahaha.

is that how it is long time voyeur, short time poster?

you say that as if its fact.

look, opinion stated as fact.

what happened to your unbiased view?
it didnt take long for that to disappear.

and at what point have i threatened to ban anyone on this thread.

yo keep complaining about it, but i dont see it.

so, what is your point callers?
seriously.

who has been banned?
who has been moderated?
where has the power been wielded and the rights of the poor law abiding readers been crushed?


all unbacked up, opinionated (mis-) guff.


now, that i have completely proved my point, well, youve proved it, now this thread may be locked, becuase there is no point. we have started right back at thread no 1 again.

Just My View

WhiteWashMan wrote:

since you only came on here to post on this thread, you wont mind me getting someone to ban this account.

Looks like a threat from here, thinly veiled, but a threat nevertheless.

I think my view is still unbiased. Some other posters seem to think I'm not so far off the mark.

I don't see that you have proved your point.
I don't even see the point you are trying to prove.

My point is that some mods are not carrying out their duties properly and are damaging boards as a result but nobody is doing anything about it.

Woud you deny that not all mods are up to scratch?

I think you are speaking on my behalf much more eloquently than I ever could. You are making my point for me.

This thread was locked by another mod but you re-opened it to emphasize your stand and put down the pleb, that would be me, but it didn't seem to go the way you hoped now you are going to close it again.

Well done that man.

As for going back to thread no 1, isn't that called staying on topic?

amp

I think there's still some entertainment value left. I've yet to descibe the camps we keep the jewish users in and all the other great things that make moderators superior the true race that God has chosen to rule boards for a thousand years.

Diogenes

It's really only a matter of time before the "abused banned users of boards", meet up in a real time, discuss their trauma, realise the extent of the abuse, and how systematic it was. Afterwards its a natural step to set up a support group.

Then the pressure group, who's demands fo a public inquiry into the level of systematic abuse garners media spotlight. The Admins realising the trouble, start moving Mods from Forum to other Forums, to cover up the scale and level of abuse. However when this practice is exposed, in a damning Prime Time special, it only fuels the public outcry even further. Before long an inquiry is set up, and political parties start courting the "outraged victim of Mod abuse" vote.

Seriously lads, talk to these guys. They'll be able to help you start in the right direction.

amp

Diogenes wrote:

It's really only a matter of time before the "abused banned users of boards", meet up in a real time, discuss their trauma, realise the extent of the abuse, and how systematic it was. Afterwards its a natural step to set up a support group.

Then the pressure group, who's demands fo a public inquiry into the level of systematic abuse garners media spotlight. The Admins realising the trouble, start moving Mods from Forum to other Forums, to cover up the scale and level of abuse. However when this practice is exposed, in a damning Prime Time specia,l it only fuels the public outcry even further. Before long an inquiry is set up, and political parties start courting the "outraged victim of Mod abuse" vote.

Seriously lads, talk to these guys. They'll be able to help you start in the right direction.

Ha! They'll never get me, I post from Brazil and therefore cannot be extradiated.

Diogenes

amp wrote:

Ha! They'll never get me, I post from Brazil and therefore cannot be extradiated.

See you? Thats you that is.

amp

Ah yes indeed. Fond memories indeed.

Big Nelly

Just My View wrote:

Looks like a threat from here, thinly veiled, but a threat nevertheless.

I think my view is still unbiased. Some other posters seem to think I'm not so far off the mark.

I don't see that you have proved your point.
I don't even see the point you are trying to prove.

My point is that some mods are not carrying out their duties properly and are damaging boards as a result but nobody is doing anything about it.

Woud you deny that not all mods are up to scratch?

I think you are speaking on my behalf much more eloquently than I ever could. You are making my point for me.

This thread was locked by another mod but you re-opened it to emphasize your stand and put down the pleb, that would be me, but it didn't seem to go the way you hoped now you are going to close it again.

Well done that man.

As for going back to thread no 1, isn't that called staying on topic?

To be honest you might as well talk to a walk, WWM for some reason has power over the mods here which is strange seeing as he is the biggest ass.... on boards! Let him cry away and try and get you to say something against him and then watch him cry like a b**ch on the mods forum and get you banned. Thats all he does, the postman left this morning so he is bored!!

ecksor

Remind me, did you PM me with your objection to me banning you and not banning WWM?

If not, then for the record I didn't think that "Go **** yourself!" was going to help to sort out the issue that Lemlin had started the thread for and was a clearer insult than anything else I remembered seeing on the forum.

If you still think that's a case of me showing double standards then you'll have to offer a specific example and your reasoning.

Lurk

I'm still startled by this:

WhiteWashMan wrote:

if thats the case, the fúck off somewhere else.

This is just idiotic:

monkeyfudge wrote:

I believe the definition of a family in the constitution is actually 'husband and wife'

This is unfair:

WhiteWashMan wrote:

you know what, youre right. my mistake.
any idiot can be a father. on the other hand, it takes someone special to be a dad.

And this, to me (who is not a regular poster, but still likes to browse the bits n' bobs), makes me wonder why you're a mod:

WhiteWashMan wrote:

since for starters, youre a voyuer, and not an active participant on this site (which doesnt really entitle you to an effective opinion in my books)

Big Nelly

ecksor wrote:

Remind me, did you PM me with your objection to me banning you and not banning WWM?

If not, then for the record I didn't think that "Go **** yourself!" was going to help to sort out the issue that Lemlin had started the thread for and was a clearer insult than anything else I remembered seeing on the forum.

If you still think that's a case of me showing double standards then you'll have to offer a specific example and your reasoning.

Yeah I didnt see you come running when I was being insulted!! whats the point anyway, it will always be "big Nelly is ......., WWM is great"

amp

Well while other moderators are ashamed to admit that you guys are right about the not so secret conspiracy to abuse users rights I am not afraid of you.

I love abusing you all and really couldn't care less what you think. If you don't like our fascist website then I suggest you go elsewhere.

Now if you'll excuse me I've got to try and beat Wwman's quota for banning users, whoever wins this month get's DOUBLE the cocaine ration

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you're a real hero amp

amp

Thank you my fellow moderator. You may not be as powerful as I am but with an attitude like that you may one day be.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I'm too heavily medicated to be trusted with power

WhiteWashMan

and yet, we still have no proof of anything this constant barrage of power tripping mod accusations.

bless.

amp

I deleted all the proof. I'm not sure why I did, but when I woke up there was an empty bottle of whiskey and a startled looking sheep.

Big Nelly

WhiteWashMan wrote:

and yet, we still have no proof of anything this constant barrage of power tripping mod accusations..

No we have you!!

amp

Big Nelly wrote:

No we have you!!

Yes we do. We have Wwman. We also have hundreds of other moderators, who may not be the legend that Wwman is but certainly try.

I'd like to thank you Big Nelly, it's an enormous relief to be able to talk about this honestly for once. I think one day you will join us in the moderator cabal and look back on these days with fond nostalgia.

Big Nelly

amp wrote:

Yes we do. We have Wwman. We also have hundreds of other moderators, who may not be the legend that Wwman is but certainly try.

I'd like to thank you Big Nelly, it's an enormous relief to be able to talk about this honestly for once. I think one day you will join us in the moderator cabal and look back on these days with fond nostalgia.

Why bother, according to most on here I am already an assh...

Just My View

WhiteWashMan wrote:

and yet, we still have no proof of anything this constant barrage of power tripping mod accusations.

What constant barrage?
It's a simple quest for truth, are there mods who abuse their power and cause disquiet amongst the boards community by doing so, and how do the powers that be protect the ordinary poster from their excesses without exposing those who raise complaints to the possibility of vindictive bannings?

The posters make boards, not the mods. A forum with just a couple of hundred members including more than a handful of meglomanics wouldn't last long would it?

As for looking for the miscreants, perhaps you are looking too far?

Ruu_Old

Just My View wrote:

What constant barrage?
It's a simple quest for truth, are there mods who abuse their power and cause disquiet amongst the boards community by doing so, and how do the powers that be protect the ordinary poster from their excesses without exposing those who raise complaints to the possibility of vindictive bannings?

The posters make boards, not the mods. A forum with just a couple of hundred members including more than a handful of meglomanics wouldn't last long would it?

As for looking for the miscreants, perhaps you are looking too far?

Truth? You can't handle the truth!:p

amp

Big Nelly wrote:

Why bother, according to most on here I am already an assh...

You say that like it's a bad thing. Revel in revealing the truth about the moderator clique. Embrace your assholeness!

WhiteWashMan

Just My View wrote:

What constant barrage?
It's a simple quest for truth, are there mods who abuse their power and cause disquiet amongst the boards community by doing so, and how do the powers that be protect the ordinary poster from their excesses without exposing those who raise complaints to the possibility of vindictive bannings?

The posters make boards, not the mods. A forum with just a couple of hundred members including more than a handful of meglomanics wouldn't last long would it?

As for looking for the miscreants, perhaps you are looking too far?

so give us the proof.

otherwise, all it is, is opinion. based on nothing.
and if i have to explain it again, i may as well lock the thread, becasue there is nothing left to gain apart from you regurgetating the same rubish over and over and over again.

Big Nelly

WhiteWashMan wrote:

so give us the proof.

otherwise, all it is, is opinion. based on nothing.
and if i have to explain it again, i may as well lock the thread, becasue there is nothing left to gain apart from you regurgetating the same rubish over and over and over again.

its been shown on here before you cant name mods or there is your little get together on the mods forum to back each other up and the user gets banned

Dont bother man, its not worth the hassle!!

amp

Just My View wrote:

The posters make boards, not the mods. A forum with just a couple of hundred members including more than a handful of meglomanics wouldn't last long would it?

No it didn't. It grew into the huge 75,000 member site you currently post to. And it's still growing. It's puzzling to me given that we constantly abuse the users, I guess the users like being abused.

Is boards.ie irelands largest mascocist website?

amp

Big Nelly wrote:

its been shown on here before you cant name mods or there is your little get together on the mods forum to back each other up and the user gets banned

Dont bother man, its not worth the hassle!!

Ah would you ever stop. Let us have our little get togethers. We shall have tea and cake.

Big Nelly

amp wrote:

Ah would you ever stop. Let us have our little get togethers. We shall have tea and cake.

If rice crispy buns can I join?? just to make it interesting!!

WhiteWashMan

ok, well, if you will make accusations without backing them up, then so be it.
all i can do is dismiss anything you say, and lock this thread as pointless.

WhiteWashMan

and amp, stop trying to create anarchy....