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The Corinthian

Can I know why and by whom this thread has essentailly had practically the entire discussion, that frankly was of value to the community, deleted?

Edit: Posted this in the wrong forum - meant to do so in Feedback.

aidan_walsh

Last time I saw it it was pretty much descending into an argument between yourself and the OP about previous arrangements. That seems like something the PM system was intended for. You could of course have mentioned that you had previous bad experience with the OP, but there seemed little reason to be drawn into airing dirty laundry in public.

The Corinthian

aidan_walsh wrote:

Last time I saw it it was pretty much descending into an argument between yourself and the OP about previous arrangements. That seems like something the PM system was intended for. You could of course have mentioned that you had previous bad experience with the OP, but there seemed little reason to be drawn into airing dirty laundry in public.

Except to warn others who may fall foul of the same scenario.

Nonetheless, by whom and why was it moderated thus? If the thread was that bad why wasn't it simply nuked rather than the selective deletion that took place?

CuLT

I think the poor spelling in the OP would ward off most cautious designers.

Seriously, "sinario"; the mind boggles.

miju

personally would agree with the corinth on this one

altough both didn't help by protracting the thread for longer than it should have it did serve as a nice warning the regulars of the webmaster forum

probably should have been locked ALOT earlier than it had of been as was obvious where thread was going and left at that , it had gone well past selective deleting

corinth , just post up a quick politely worded cautionary note in the thread again as it is very unfair for the selective deleting

The Corinthian

miju wrote:

corinth , just post up a quick politely worded cautionary note in the thread again as it is very unfair for the selective deleting

It would most likely be deleted again by whoever did so originally and presently keeping his motives to himself.

Beruthiel

There are only two Mods on that forum TC, why not drop them a PM.

Asok

The posts were deleted by Ph3n0m.

Rollo Tamasi

what is with the ye olde english in this thread by The Corinthian?

tis rather baffling

Asok

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

what is with the ye olde english in this thread by The Corinthian?

tis rather baffling

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aidan_walsh

Asok wrote:

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"whom", I presume. In these times of l33t speek and txt, "Ye Olde Englishe" is pretty much proper English.

Asok

I weep for humanity.

Ph3n0m

a) the original post by the OP was posted as he was looking for someone to work on a project for him, with him, whatever

b) I deleted everything else after that, becuase it had descended into a personal arguement between the OP and The Corinthian. Granted it started off as The Corinthian giving his experience with the OP, but unfortunately it descended into a "you're a liar, no you're a liar" scenario

Nothing more, nothing less, apologies for anyone who didnt realise why I would have deleted in the first place

The Corinthian

Ph3n0m wrote:

b) I deleted everything else after that, becuase it had descended into a personal arguement between the OP and The Corinthian. Granted it started off as The Corinthian giving his experience with the OP, but unfortunately it descended into a "you're a liar, no you're a liar" scenario

Why not delete the whole thing or even leave the experience I gave seeing you appear to have no objection to it? Bit one sided, no?

Ph3n0m

The Corinthian wrote:

Why not delete the whole thing or even leave the experience I gave seeing you appear to have no objection to it? Bit one sided, no?

I didnt delete the whole thing because the OP was simply looking for someone to work with him on a project.


Then you came along with your experiences with the OP - fair enough. However as previously stated it boiled down into "your're a liar" argument. Neither one of you backed yourself up with facts - like emails, pm's, etc.

And most of all the webmaster forum is not a place for airing of dirty laundry - I wont let people do it about their experiences with hosting companies, therefore I wont let it be done at all

I hope that answers your question(s)

The Corinthian

Ph3n0m wrote:

I hope that answers your question(s)

One more. Do you have any relationship, professional or otherwise, with the company in question?

Ph3n0m

The Corinthian wrote:

One more. Do you have any relationship, professional or otherwise, with the company in question?

Hah I cant believe I was even asked that....if I was in anyway inclined I would be extremely upset with you right now.

For the record, if indeed there is one - I have no assoication with the OP, that The Corinthian has issues with (then again what happens if I actually know him/her in real life and dont realise they post on boards.ie - it has happened before?). But no, that would be too much conspiracy at this hour of the morning.

So TC, no I dont know the OP

The Corinthian

No offence intended. Thank you for your responses.

Ph3n0m

No problem. Hope that clears everything up

The Corinthian

Looks like you're in with a chance of a nixer after your even handed moderation though...

Ph3n0m

The Corinthian wrote:

Looks like you're in with a chance of a nixer after your even handed moderation though...

eh? what nixer? TC, I think its about time you dropped this and stop bitching at me over someone else you have a problem with.

The Op's last line is directed to anyone who has submitted a pm about this current project and he suggested they also let him know if they want to be considered for future projects - so exactly what that has to do with me?

The Corinthian

Ph3n0m wrote:

The Op's last line is directed to anyone who has submitted a pm about this current project and he suggested they also let him know if they want to be considered for future projects - so exactly what that has to do with me?

Well he wanted to thank you for your fair and balanced moderation, so it seemed like a good opertunity for you.

Ph3n0m

The Corinthian wrote:

Well he wanted to thank you for your fair and balanced moderation, so it seemed like a good opertunity for you.

You know, thats the problem with assumptions

The Corinthian

Ph3n0m wrote:

You know, thats the problem with assumptions

Assumptions are easy to come by when someone else has questionable bias to enspire them.

ecksor

Ph3n0m wrote:

a) the original post by the OP was posted as he was looking for someone to work on a project for him, with him, whatever

Here's my take on it:

paulthelegend is using boards as a recruitment service. He is not paying boards.ie any money for this, but he claims that he has had a very satisfactory experience in the past when looking for people to work for him on that forum. Now, for that arrangement to continue, you have to figure out why you are letting him continue to post his advertisements on your forum.

Basically, boards.ie has to be getting something out of this. In this case, as far as I can tell, there should be some benefit to the users of your forum by allowing him to advertise in this manner. If someone with claims of a bad experience gets their "testimonial" deleted, then what exactly is the overall benefit to our users? If someone is going to leverage a boards.ie community for their own benefit then they shouldn't be protected from actually interacting with that community. Relationships will need to be somewhat open or else it's just an advertising service.

Ph3n0m

The Corinthian wrote:

Assumptions are easy to come by when someone else has questionable bias to enspire them.

You know I had a half page written, blasting you TC - then I realised I am not leaving boards.ie over you and your lousy insinuations about me.

paulthelegend is using boards as a recruitment service. He is not paying boards.ie any money for this, but he claims that he has had a very satisfactory experience in the past when looking for people to work for him on that forum. Now, for that arrangement to continue, you have to figure out why you are letting him continue to post his advertisements on your forum.

therefore I have now changed the charter, deleted the original post. I deleted all those previous posts (when I allowed advertising) because

a) it had descended into a bitch fest between the OP and TC
b) and because of the accusation of lying been thrown by either side - neither one offered any proof whatsoever. And the last headache I wanted to cause DeVore, etc was another smartmedia incident

case closed

Oh next time TC, keep your damn assumptions about me to yourself

ecksor

For the record, if you do feel that your users are getting benefit from such posts then I see no problem with allowing them in some form in principle. It merely comes down to whether the community derives benefit from it in some way, but it's not clear how they are at present if feedback is deleted (i.e, there needs to be some advantage to boards users of getting work through our board rather than going to some other specialised forum or even the adverts.ie job board).

Ph3n0m

ecksor wrote:

For the record, if you do feel that your users are getting benefit from such posts then I see no problem with allowing them in some form in principle. It merely comes down to whether the community derives benefit from it in some way, but it's not clear how they are at present if feedback is deleted (i.e, there needs to be some advantage to boards users of getting work through our board rather than going to some other specialised forum or even the adverts.ie job board).

I cannot comment on all cases - because this is the first time that a poster has been hauled up and a bitch fest has ensued

That said, I believe it was only a very, very small number of people that advertised like that. Most of the advertisments would have been for actual full time roles - related to the webmaster forum

The Corinthian

Ph3n0m wrote:

and because of the accusation of lying been thrown by either side - neither one offered any proof whatsoever.

Then you should have deleted those portions. The facts of the vast majority of the argument were not challenged. Indeed, when the OP first claimed that I should have emailed him and I pointed out that I did, he didn’t deny this.

Yet you chose to delete only the argument and the caveat emptor that may have benefited the community, in favour of an advertisement by a commercial interest.

Oh next time TC, keep your damn assumptions about me to yourself

You made what was at best a bad call in my and apparently others’ opinions that ultimately failed to serve the community and only served the commercial interests of one member. If it causes me to raise an eyebrow - and that’s all it’s doing - then you’ve only yourself to blame. Spare us your indignantcy.

So if you or anyone else gives such cause again I won’t keep my “damn assumptions” to myself any more than I would expect others to do so were I to screw up like you have on this occasion.

Nevyn

Why is this here and not in the mods forum ?

The Corinthian

Thaedydal wrote:

Why is this here and not in the mods forum ?

I posted it here originally as I didn't think it would escalate to this level, TBH.