The "Who is to blame" poll?

Zebra3

Who is to blame for the Cyprus fiasco?

Nuttzz

The players

Stan took the job, who wouldnt jump at the chance to manager their country. He knew he had no experience, he picked the squad and the team, the buck stops with him imho

Bateman

The manager

John Delaney.

casanova_kid

Other

All of them to be fair. The FAI for failing to hire a top class manager, Stan for failing to send out with any shape or guts and the players for putting in that disgraceful performance.

the_syco

The players

Kinda have to agree with Nutzz ^^

Ruu_Old

The manager

Lets start at the root of it, the FAI.

homerjay2005

The players

i put some of the blame on the players, more blame on the manager, but most on the stupid FAI, who put a totally incompetant manager in charge, cutting costs, fooling a nation and above all, letting down the fans. john delaney must go, with the clowns that put him there and the whole management set up, closely behind him

Bateman

The manager

I don't want to be seen to be going easy on the players, they still should have been able to get a draw last night at the very least.

Huggles

Fai

dbnavan

All of the above

Players to blame IMO.....no passion at all out there. We need a new roy keane to give them a kick in the ar$e

dceire

Other

The FAI for not pushing the boat out to appoint a top quality manager who has a proven record of bringing the best out of average players, alan curbishly springs to mind, I'm not saying he would have took the job, just that he's the type of manager the FAI should be after.

Steve Staunton for taking the job with zero managerial experience, roy keane & alan shearer declined to put themselves forward for Ireland and Newcastle jobs because of having no experience, he should have known better. At a time when Irish football was in transition he is exactly what our national team didn’t need.

eirebhoy

The players

The manager for failing to field the best team possible. The FAI also have to take a lot of the blame but I wasn't too disappointed when Stan, Robson and McDonald were appointed.

/edti - Just reading the match thread now and I'm very suprised people are happy with that lineup. I think Staunton was out to prove how important a holding midfielder is in this day and age. Finnan hold the ball for about 10 seconds waiting for Kilbane to get back and take a simple pass summed it up.

wheres me jumpa

None of the above are free from blame. The FAI are a shambles. Staunton has made no impression on that team at all, I cant see anything that they would have been working on the last few days in training. The players were awful.

jesus_thats_gre

Other

Combination of all factors to be honest. We do not have a quality 11 anymmore. O'Brien is a complete shambles and the middle two of Ireland and Kilbane is a complete joke to be honest. The FAI are a bunch of cheap bastards.

I have grave reservations about Stan's ability to manage the team effectively but it would server no purpose to sack him now. No matter who comes in, we will not qualify for the Euro Championships now anyway. See how things go when he a full compliments of players to choose from and if it is still going arseways, replace him towards the end of this campaign.

SectionF

Other: meaning people who expect us to have a world class football team without a national league of our own.

Mad Dog

Other

All of the above ....... Laughing stock and an embarrassment last night :mad:

LostinBlanch

dceire wrote:

At a time when Irish football was in transition he is exactly what our national team didn’t need.

Ah yeah roll out the old team in transition chestnut. It's a bloody cop out.

That back four had something like 132 caps (didn't play like it though). Robbie Keane and Duff have both played in the world cup as has Given. How many caps has Kilbane?

It's not the team in transition it's our bloody p*ss poor excuse for a manager.

redspider

All of the above

It is a combination, but the biggest blame for yesterday's disaster was the players, plain and simple. Consider that many of the Cyprus players play in the Cypriot league, the better ones play in Greece, but this was not a top quality side. The Irish players were on paper much better and should have done the business. They only have themselves to blame and we should blame them likewise.

Redspider

Savman

The manager

FAI without a doubt. They have a long history of ineptitude. Stan was a great servant to his country and we should all remember that. But I fear he will ruin his good name sue to his obvious lack of international management experience. Is that his fault? Nope he's still a young manager.

What kind of mickey mouse football association hires someone with no track record?

MrJoeSoap

Savman wrote:

What kind of mickey mouse football association hires someone with no track record?

The Dutch? German? Never!

The Rooster

Transition my hole.

As someone else said, all that is doing is covering up Stan's ineptidue. Getting the excuses in early and prolonging the agony for the fans. Maybe he might make a good manager in 5 or 10 years time - but then and only then should he be anywhere near the job of the National Team Manager.

The backbone of our team should be at its peak at the moment. Players like Given, Duff, Keane, Dunne, Finnan and Steven Reid are as good as they're going to get. When they're at their best they're as good as anybody in the Premiership in their position. Plus we've two really good youngsters in Doyle and McGeady. One of Carsley or O'Shea well capable of doing a decent job as a holding midfielder protecting the back 4. And decent players like Douglas, Ireland, Miller capable of coming in and doing a job when required.

Thats a team that is capable of coming second in this group - if they are properly managed and motivated.

Instead we have this pillock saying we're building for the future and that the aim is 2010. How the hell can you expect players to play their hearts out when they see that the manager is effectively ruling us out of qualifying already (which everyone knows he's doing by even mentioning 2010).

For chrissakes, given our seeding we could hardly have got a better group. Yes, Germany are very good, but everyone else is well beatable. A very good manager gets the best out of his players, Staunton manages to get the very worst.

DerekD Goldfish

The manager

MrJoeSoap wrote:

The Dutch? German? Never!

Van Basten had years of experience as head of Ajax youth system
Klinzman was hated by the german fans and press because of poor performances till the germans managed a few results on the trot due to home momentum and quit while he was ahead

_blank_

The manager

The Rooster wrote:

Staunton manages

:eek:

No he doesn't.

Mis-manage maybe.

kinaldo

Other

Savman wrote:

What kind of mickey mouse football association hires someone with no track record?

Brazil have recently appointed Carlos Dunga as their manager - captain in 94 and 98 but prior no coaching experience.

Nalz

The manager

Bateman wrote:

John Delaney.

agreed.

Andrew 83

Other

FAI primarily for appointing someone with no experience, then the management and coaching staff for apparently doing zero work with the players if the evidence on the pitch is anything to go by, then finally the players for despite all that not being able to pull it out of the bag against such a poor team.

MrJoeSoap

DerekD Goldfish wrote:

Van Basten had years of experience as head of Ajax youth system

He was in charge of the Ajax second team for one season (03-04).

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/coach.html?team=NED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_van_Basten#Managing_career

DerekD Goldfish

The manager

MrJoeSoap wrote:

He was in charge of the Ajax second team for one season (03-04).

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/coach.html?team=NED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_van_Basten#Managing_career

. The Amsterdam club’s youngsters may have won their league and cup double in 2004 but the step up to international level seemed a daunting one.

More than Walsal did

aidan24326

Other

The FAI, Staunton and the players are all to blame in one way or another.

Yes the FAI should not have offered the job to Staunton, it was the lazy cheap option. But equally Stan did not have to take it. People will say 'ah sure who'd turn down the chance to manage their country?' but people have done in the past. David O'Leary said a couple of years ago that he'd want at least 10 years club experience under his belt before considering the Ireland job (of course whether he'd get it or not is another matter). Staunton should have known he'd be out of his depth. And who the hell is Kevin McDonald?

The players also deserve a massive kick up the ass. Regardless of the manager, they played like a bunch of sunday morning amateurs. Not good enough. Like other posters have said, I agree that this talk of being in transition is a cop-out. The players we have are good enough to have come second in this group with the right management team to guide them, and the right attitude from themselves.

There are very few really good teams in international football these days, standards have levelled out alot. Even the Frances, Italys and Germanys are nothing special. Greece showed what can be achieved with the right application. Look how Walter Smith has got Scotland back on track after the disastrous Bertie Vogts era. Saying we haven't the players is just an excuse really. Nearly all of them play in the Premiership, many with big clubs. They are all on upwards of 20K per week, more in some cases. We'd be entitled to expect a bit more from them, even with a bad manager.

dbnavan

All of the above

LostinBlanch wrote:

Ah yeah roll out the old team in transition chestnut. It's a bloody cop out.

That back four had something like 132 caps (didn't play like it though). Robbie Keane and Duff have both played in the world cup as has Given. How many caps has Kilbane?

It's not the team in transition it's our bloody p*ss poor excuse for a manager.

With players with that much expeirence they should be able to manage themselves, tatics or team talks dont make a back four defend as a unit, all a manager can do is pick his best 11, gee them up, tell them the formation to play, it is up to the players to go and do it, especially at this level, watching the back four on saturday was like watching four 6 year olds play.

These players have expeirence, play at high levels in england, and should be expected to know how to defend, ie talk to one another, back each other up, know were each other/and the men they are marking are, basics of defending. What do people want stauton to do hold their hand? Or pull on his boots himself, he'd give any of them a run for their money even now