The Death of a President

aslantheslayer

Tonight, Monday 9th October 9pm, Channel more 4 (142 Sky Digital) are showing the documentary drama Death Of a president.

It portrays a fictional account of the assasination of President George W Bush and how America would re-act and be effected.

It has been banned by many US Cinemas, and some Americans are Furious that it even portrays the existing President!

aidan24326

Seems like a strange idea for a docu-drama. But I can't imagine anyone would be too upset if GWB was assassinated. Take out Condi, Cheney and Rumsfeld aswell while they're at it.

daithimac

I can think of just two words that make me shudder at the thought of President Bush being shot
"President Cheney"

aidan24326

daithimac wrote:

I can think of just two words that make me shudder at the thought of President Bush being shot
"President Cheney"

True. Assassanating Bush would make little difference. He's only one cog in the machine and would be replaced by someone just as bad. Or worse, which Cheney probably is.

Hobbes

I guess the real answer is based on who actually assinates him. Imagine it was a card carrying white christian Republican.

bonkey

daithimac wrote:

I can think of just two words that make me shudder at the thought of President Bush being shot
"President Cheney"

And in keeping with current affairs...imagine if Cheney was taken out at the same time.

Then it would be President Hastert.

What a cheerful thought.

lostexpectation

after reading the review here http://www.crooksandliars.com/

it could be said that such a film is actually lesson, a deterrant to shooting a president.

Bodhidharma

Is Bush so hated that most people would like to see the man dead? Thats an awful thing to say. The man doesn't even make decisions, all he is, is a stupid little puppet. For that he doesn't deserve death.

I think the documentary is little more than capitalising on small minded "liberals" fantasies. The world would be in a much worse place particularly if the assassin wasn't american. Better the devil you know i say.

In case your wondering i dislike the guy and his government imensely, but violence begets violence and with the world already adjusting to a changing middle east and a nuclear Norh Korea, i think we need more talk and less action.

Hobbes

He doesn't make decisions?! He is the decider!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9wJqvmPfQc

bonkey

Bodhidharma wrote:

Is Bush so hated that most people would like to see the man dead?

Most people? No.
Some people? Sure.
This person. No.

I think the documentary is little more than capitalising on small minded "liberals" fantasies. The world would be in a much worse place particularly if the assassin wasn't american.

Thats apparently what the documentary concludes as well.

Personally, I don't really see the point of using a real, as opposed to fictional, president...espcially not the incumbent. I guess it means they don't have to painfully draw parallels with the current administration to sell their case, but I'm generally of the opinion that when you have to go to such extremes to make a point, its probably a lost cause anyway.

Having said that, I'll reserve judgement not having seen the thing n all.

DadaKopf

Hobbes wrote:

He doesn't make decisions?! He is the decider!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9wJqvmPfQc

I thought his job is to do his job!

Goodshape

bonkey wrote:

Personally, I don't really see the point of using a real, as opposed to fictional, president...espcially not the incumbent.

If you can do it with the current guy then why not?

Also : publicity.

Victor

Killing the top man is only good for regime change.

If you only want policy change, popping one of number 5-100 will usually get you plenty of attention.

edanto

Damn it would be an awful thing if he was assasinated.

He would be martyred, and there would be an even more agressive response than there was after 9/11. Doubtless the assasination would be linked categorically to Iran/North Korea and we'd be watching another invasion and push towards world instabilty.

The policies of his administration would be forcefully carried out by whoever replaced him, in the name of 'our glorious President Bush, murdered by terrorists that hated his freedom'. (as opposed to his policies)

No, no, no. Hell, even if he dies of natural causes there will be conspiracy theories about him being poisoned/gassed/pushed off his bicycle.

I think the best I can hope for is for at least one house to be taken by the Democrats next month.

starman100

I saw this last night, thought it was pretty good.

They did a good job interspersing archive footage with the fictional assassination. The demonstrations looked a little bit toothless compared to what has been seen recently over in the likes of Geneva but did get the point across of how Bush is reviled by half the American population.

Not a bad little twist towards the end - of course the Syrians / Al Queda get the blame initially and one suspect gets stitched up, however, little do they know (or don't want to know) that it would be one of their own who really was to blame..... Ironic how it was George Bush Snr's first Gulf War that lead indirectly to his son's assassination.

I though "President" (:rolleyes: ) Cheney and the US administration were remarkably restrained afterwards - no mention of retaliatory strikes, etc. even though I doubt this restraint would happen in reality.

Very topical too in the way the North Korean's were mentioned during it on the same day they carried out their first nuke test.

Sgt. Sensible

Victor wrote:

Killing the top man is only good for regime change.

Or woman. Sexismist. :mad:

People say that if the lads had got Thatcher in Brighton then the NI situation would have deteriorated further as a tory ultra hardliner might have replaced her. I'm not totally convinced. Bush is no Thatcher.

lostexpectation

how many other people apart from oswald got hassled after kennedy was killed, it must have quite an affect on the country apart from the sotry of JFK and brothers, we rarely hear about that, I guess it was cold war era, but was it still red scare?

Mad Finn

daithimac wrote:

I can think of just two words that make me shudder at the thought of President Bush being shot
"President Cheney"

Ha ha! That reminds me of a joke that was popular when GWB's daddy was in power and the lame-brain Dan Quayle was VP, to the effect that the five most feared words in the Western Hemisphere were "Barbara, I'm not feeling well."

(For all you kids, Barbara is the name of GW's mammy)

Sgt. Sensible

lostexpectation wrote:

how many other people apart from oswald got hassled after kennedy was killed, it must have quite an affect on the country apart from the sotry of JFK and brothers, we rarely hear about that, I guess it was cold war era, but was it still red scare?

A few million Vietnamese were hassled for a few years. It is alleged that Kennedy had been planning to cut American involvement in Vietnam. I don't know if this is true, it's a long time since I heard it.

tallus

According to Chomsky Kennedy had no plans to cut down on the war in Vietnam, he said the evidence was out there for people to see but I can't substantiate that because I saw it in a video about a year back.

Sgt. Sensible

tallus wrote:

According to Chomsky Kennedy had no plans to cut down on the war in Vietnam, he said the evidence was out there for people to see but I can't substantiate that because I saw it in a video about a year back.

Kennedy escalated the war significantly but was not keen on sending large scale US troops in. Johnson only did so after the fabricated gulf of tonkin incident. I might be wrong mind.

Victor

Sgt. Sensible wrote:

Or woman. Sexismist. :mad:

Apologies, I forgot Mrs. Gandhi. Have there been others?

People say that if the lads had got Thatcher in Brighton then the NI situation would have deteriorated further as a tory ultra hardliner might have replaced her. I'm not totally convinced. Bush is no Thatcher.

Actually one of the guys who was involved in the bombing said the IRA later realised the bombing was a mistake as if they destroyed the British leadership, they wouldn't have anyone to 'talk' to.

Sgt. Sensible

Victor wrote:

Apologies, I forgot Mrs. Gandhi. Have there been others?

Dunno, do Joan of Arc and Rosa Luxembourg count?

Actually one of the guys who was involved in the bombing said the IRA later realised the bombing was a mistake as if they destroyed the British leadership, they wouldn't have anyone to 'talk' to.

Probably so.

sovtek

I wonder when all us plebs will get to see it on the free (well not free really) CH4?

sovtek

edanto wrote:

I think the best I can hope for is for at least one house to be taken by the Democrats next month.

It's a sad day when that's the best that can be hoped for.
In November it's possible that more competant war mongers and corporate whores will take over congress.

Chakar

Is it possible for me to see that programme again? Could I order it?