Ireland v Czech Republic - Merged (Now with added Lee Carsley!!!).

ninebeanrows

seansouth wrote:

We're going to get raped tomorrow. Again.

Could realistically be 5 or 6 nil:(

bucks73

Weathercheck wrote:

ahashhahaha sorry u gotta laugh at this!!!!:eek:

McGeady OUT
Kenny OUT
Ireland OUT
Doyle OUT

do we still have any players:eek:

At least Stan will have an excuse after the hiding. :rolleyes:

bizmark

Weathercheck wrote:

ahashhahaha sorry u gotta laugh at this!!!!:eek:

McGeady OUT
Kenny OUT
Ireland OUT
Doyle OUT

do we still have any players:eek:

We are screwed :mad: even with out Stan’s management skills which rival mine when i started playing championship manager 10 year's ago no team could realistically expect to win with so many players out.

Jivin Turkey

Damned if you do................................

I'm just waiting the inevitable "which EL player could have done better than Lee Carsely" thread on Thursday when he alone somehow doesn't manage to win the game single handedly.

ronbyrne2005

What a debacle this week has been , reminds me of the film "Mike Bassett England Manager", someone get the photo from the film and photoshop to "Stan Clueless Ireland Manager"

Third_Echelon

He has made a U-Turn, but at least he's made a good decision. A bit of stability in the middle of the park will take the pressure of a shaky looking defence at the moment.

Carsley will just sit in front of the centre backs and mop up any breaking balls. He's not afraid to tackle, which is exactly what we need at the moment. I saw very little battle in our midfield against cyprus.

I've seen every everton game this season and he is in great form. Hopefully that oozes out into the rest of the team....

WhiteWashMan

Seaneh wrote:

Centre half = centre back!

dont know what sport you play, but from where i come from centre half is a centre midfielder, centre back is centre fof defence, and surprisingly enough, centre forward is up the front, in the middle

terminology aside, i think the point still stands.

Vokes

Hah, WWM showing your age

Skittlebrau

I can't believe the day has come where I'm rejoicing that Carsley is back in the Irish team. Desperate times call for desperate measures however.

I can still see it all going horribly though but there's always hope. It might be worth getting up at 4.30am for.

WhiteWashMan wrote:

dont know what sport you play, but from where i come from centre half is a centre midfielder, centre back is centre fof defence, and surprisingly enough, centre forward is up the front, in the middle

I have never heard centre half referring to a centre midfielder before. I used to play centre half when I was a kid and I was in the back four. Wikipedia (which I know isn't 100% reliable) describes it as.....The job of the centre-back — also called centre-halves or central defenders — is to stop opposing players, particularly the strikers, from scoring, and to bring the ball out from their penalty area. But then it also mentions something about the old centre half position moving to centre back when the full backs moved out wide.

Either way, let's hope Carsley can stamp some authority on the game. It's been non-existant of late.

Nunu

WhiteWashMan wrote:

dont know what sport you play, but from where i come from centre half is a centre midfielder, centre back is centre fof defence, and surprisingly enough, centre forward is up the front, in the middle

terminology aside, i think the point still stands.

WWM you are very much int he minority here. I have never heard anybody use the term centre half for a midfielder....until now that is.

MrJoeSoap

Jivin Turkey wrote:

Damned if you do................................

I'm just waiting the inevitable "which EL player could have done better than Lee Carsely" thread on Thursday when he alone somehow doesn't manage to win the game single handedly.

Joe Gamble

Vokes

Centre-half used to be the centre of the trio in the pre-1950 2-3-5 formation.

So I propose we play

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Goalie 3

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McShane----O'Shea

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Quinn ---- Carsley ---- Kilbane

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Finnan --- Doyle --- Lee --- Keane --- Duff

Nalz

silly argument, but Centre half when used rarely today is reffering to a CB and not a CM.

Wikipedia wrote:

The job of the centre-back — also called centre-halves or central defenders — is to stop opposing players, particularly the strikers, from scoring, and to bring the ball out from their penalty area. As their name suggests, they play in a central position. Most teams employ two centre backs, stationed in front of the goalkeeper. There are two main defensive strategies used by centre backs: the zonal defence, where each centre back covers a specific area of the pitch, and man-to-man marking, where each centre back has the job of covering a particular opposition player.

Centre-backs are often tall, very strong and have a good heading and tackling ability. An ability to read the game well is also a distinct advantage. Sometimes, particularly in lower leagues, centre-backs concentrate less on ball control and passing, preferring simply to clear the ball in a "safety-first" fashion. However, there is a long tradition of centre-backs having more than just rudimentary footballing skill, enabling a more possession-oriented playing style.

The position was formerly referred to as "centre-half." In the early part of the 20th century, when most teams employed the 2-3-5 formation, the row of three players were called halfbacks. As formations evolved, the central player in this trio (the centre-half), moved into a more defensive position on the field, taking the name of the position with them.

Good examples of centre-backs in the modern game include Alessandro Nesta, John Terry, Fabio Cannavaro, Lilian Thuram, William Gallas, Lúcio, Carles Puyol and Roberto Ayala

EDIT: Apols, didnt notice Skittlebrau's reply

MrJoeSoap

Centre Half = Centre Back

super_furry

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/1010/ireland.html

It get's better. Now McGeady's out and the back four will be Paul McShane, Steve Finnan, John O'Shea and Stephen Kelly.

MrJoeSoap

Doyle is out, McGeady is out.

Stan has said the defence will be...

Kelly---McShane---O'Shea---Finnan

Savman

WhiteWashMan wrote:

where i come from centre half is a centre midfielder

All is not well in "WOOHOO! Drive-by egging!" city then? :D

DS

It would be typical now if Ireland beat the Czechs tomorrow.

Trotter

I havent played soccer competitively in years, I was a 5 ft 6 goalkeeper when I did actually play, I obviously own soccer boots just in case (Dosnt everyone?)

So..


I fit all the criteria for the squad. Perfect. Phone is most certainly on! Come get me Stan!!!!

MrJoeSoap

But you currently reside in Ireland I assume? No chance mate!

Pighead

DS wrote:

It would be typical now if Ireland beat the Czechs tomorrow.

If by typical you mean a miracle, then yes Pighead agrees with you 100%.

It really is a shocking injury list Stan has to contend with. Both centre backs, 1st and 2nd choice goalkeepers and half the midfield, not to mention Kevin Doyle. Looks like Clintons gonna get a start again. Clinton if you're reading this, you owe us big time.

darkman2

I dont give a fcuk anymore what the score is just as long as we dont experience that freak show again that was Saturday night.

BTW Who are we going to play in goal? Anymore injuries and it will be Staunton playing in goal for us!

What a great situation we find ourselves in. Personally I think the fans should just point and laugh when the 'team' walks out tomorrow night. We are going to get a kicking at home tomorrow and tbh I dont know who to blame. Both the players and the manager need to know how the fans really feel when they take the pitch tomorrow.:mad:

ishnid

Raskolnikov wrote:

Another thing I've noticed is that Ian Harte is in several people's teams. Why the heck isn't he in the squad? He's a natural left-back and is now playing regularily in Spain's top flight!

He's played as regularly in the Spanish top flight as I have this season :rolleyes: He's injured.

Rollo Tamasi

Team is looking like

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Colgan
Kelly - McShane - O Shea - Finnan
A.Reid -- - Carsley - Kilbane --Duff

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Morrison - Keane

Which is probably actually better than the 11 we put out against Cyprus bar maybe McGeady for A.Reid purely because Reid isn't 100% match fit.


God knows what our subs bench looks like....

Ronnie O Brien (Dallas)
Wes Houlihan (Blackpool)
Stack (Reading)
Hunt (Reading)
Long (Reading)
McCarthey (Lecister City)
Gamble (Cork City)
Trundle (Swansea)
Lawerence (Sunderland)

they should all be in the squad.

Vokes

Finnan is wasted at LB, but then he hardly did himself any favours at RB on Sat.

With Carsley at DM, its down to Kilbane to dictate midfield and play some killer through balls for our front men

Looking forward to seeing how McShane gets on tomorrow (he's from my neck of the woods).

Running Bing

I would have respected stan more if he had stuck by his word. Absolutely laughable decision in the first place tbh.

TwoShedsJackson

We are screwed on Wednesday, anyone should be able to see that no matter how much of a blind optimist they are. It might not be as bad as the Cyprus game as the players will surely try to restore some measure of dignity, but the Czech's will win by a couple of goals, easily.

BaZmO*

Pighead wrote:

Looks like Clintons gonna get a start again. Clinton if you're reading this, you owe us big time.

If by "owe us" you mean run around like a headless chicken and jumping for balls that he has no chance or even intention to win while puffing and panting like he's a real trooper fighting for the green well then expect to get paid in full tomorrow night!

ghost26ie

darkman2 wrote:

BTW Who are we going to play in goal? Anymore injuries and it will be Staunton playing in goal for us!

think its some kid, wayne henderson, plays for brighton. has played 2 games as sub before. or nicky colgan of barnsley. got it of teamtalk

LostinBlanch

THe only pity about the injuries is that it gives that f*ckwit staunton another excuse. If we had a full squad we would still turn in a crap display seeing as we have no one capable of actually managing the team.

Did anyone hear him on the radio saying that no matter what happened he wasn't going to go?

Bollocks to that if he had any sense of honour he would go.

GuanYin

I think if Carsely starts, Staunton loses any remaining credibility.

By excluding him, he has effectively said, "what we have here is better for us" - which should still be the case even after injuries. If he now starts Carsley, it begs the question, why wasn't he in the squad ahead of the lads who are being left on the bench instead of him? To which Stan won't have an answer.

I'm still not sure if he should go, I wonder will the disruption of replacing a manager now cause even more havoc with the squad, that said, if he tries to pin any of the blame of tomorrows loss on Carsley, or plays the "I did things your way and we still lost" card, then he should be banished from the country, not just fired.

Incidently lads, this should have gone in the Ireland-Czech thread.

Pighead

BaZmO* wrote:

If by "owe us" you mean run around like a headless chicken and jumping for balls that he has no chance or even intention to win while puffing and panting like he's a real trooper fighting for the green well then expect to get paid in full tomorrow night!

BaZmO surely you've seen enough of Morrisson to realise he is one of the most inconsistent players out there. He is as likely to have a stormer tomorrow night as he is to have a mare. Can't find a link for the magnificent volley he scored against Coventry last week but it was a work of art.
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/reports/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/09/23/SOCCER_Palace.html

Point is he has a good performance in him and he has the ability to make something happen.

eirebhoy

super_furry wrote:

See Lee Carsley is our saviour now? Jesus, where did it all go wrong?

He's our saviour because he's the only Irish player that can play in what is, imo, the most important position in the team. Douglas could play there too and should have played against Cyprus but why should he with Carsley available?

We might aswell have started Duff and Robbie Keane in the centre against the Czechs. Absolutely woeful midfield which lost us the game before it started.

thebaz

You'll always do better with a few Evertonians in the team
We helped out the Scots to there famous victory on Saturday as well --

Seriously, never thought i'd be happy to see Carsley in the Green , just goes to show how much we miss the real Keane !

scojones

Jesus christ I'd do better than that muppet. Does anyone have Stan's phone number?

il gatto

Yeah. It's 1800-f#ckwit:mad:

Fanny Cradock

A good point was made on the last word: why isn't McPhail in the team alongside Carsely?

Being realistic, I think that the next mach, even without Stan, would be a tall order.

GuanYin

Fanny Cradock wrote:

A good point was made on the last word: why isn't McPhail in the team alongside Carsely?

Being realistic, I think that the next mach, even without Stan, would be a tall order.

I'm a big fan of McPhail, I thought his performances at Forest were mammoth at times. That said, even with his improvements in defensive duties, he is a luxury player. at the moment, we have a good deal of attacking options in Steven Reid, Andy Reid, McGeady and dare I say it, even Kilbane. Arguably, Andy Reid can pass the ball as well as McPhail.

While I can see the merits of having him in a team against the like sof Cyprus, given what happened to our midfield on Saturday, a player like McPhail isn't an option against the Czechs.

Personally out of the fit Irish players we have to call up, I'd like to see Delap and Carsley in the centre, it clooks like it will be Reid, Kilbane, Carsley and Duff - I'm not sure that is enough for a rookie defence and strong czech midfield.

I'm merging this with the Czech - Ireland thread, seeing as it is taking much the same course.

The1337_Stephen

well, at least he had the nads to actually call him up eventually, i'll hand him that

Timing was horrible though

Villain

Off topic I know but I had to post this:

A seven-year-old boy was at the centre of a courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over whom should have custody of him.

The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible.



The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her.



When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him.



After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.



After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Republic of Ireland soccer team , whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

Limerick Dude

haha i was waiting for the punch line

The1337_Stephen

Bahahaha, thats brilliant

Rockee

Heeheehee! Crackin good joke.

Not sure if someones highlighted on the thread but we have a NEW CAP in the back 4!!!!!!!! Best of luck Paul Mc Shane..you'll need it!!

MrJoeSoap

Last time a new cap started for Ireland at centre-back against this crowd... well...

We all know what happened.

Rockee

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Last time a new cap started for Ireland at centre-back against this crowd... well...

We all know what happened.

Yup...

Paul B

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:rolleyes:

WhiteWashMan

Skittlebrau wrote:

I have never heard centre half referring to a centre midfielder before. I used to play centre half when I was a kid and I was in the back four. Wikipedia (which I know isn't 100% reliable) describes it as.....The job of the centre-back — also called centre-halves or central defenders — is to stop opposing players, particularly the strikers, from scoring, and to bring the ball out from their penalty area. But then it also mentions something about the old centre half position moving to centre back when the full backs moved out wide.
.

on the other hand, i play centre half and i definately play in the middle of the pitch.

of course, i play hockey, none of your girley diving here matey

so as far as im concerned, hes a bloody centre half

hes also not who id want as my midfield general.
i think im going to be washing my hair tomrrow come game time. i actually feel much the same way about this game,l as i do when i watch the office.
curiosity, mixed with bitter embarassment, mixed with sligth nausea.

BaZmO*

Pighead wrote:

BaZmO surely you've seen enough of Morrisson to realise he is one of the most inconsistent players out there. He is as likely to have a stormer tomorrow night as he is to have a mare. Can't find a link for the magnificent volley he scored against Coventry last week but it was a work of art.
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/reports/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/09/23/SOCCER_Palace.html

Point is he has a good performance in him and he has the ability to make something happen.

If you'd have said that to me a couple of years ago I probably would've believed you, but not now.

Whatever positives he used to bring to the team are well gone imo. Hving said that though, if the pointers I tried to give you with regards to the Fantasy League Team transfers I'd bet your house on him scoring tomorrow!!

psi wrote:

I think if Carsely starts, Staunton loses any remaining credibility.

Do you really think that Carsley agreed to fly over on a Ryanair Midweek Flyer Special and then get the Dart up to Landsdowne just to warm a bench?

GuanYin

Do you really think that Carsley agreed to fly over on a Ryanair Midweek Flyer Special and then get the Dart up to Landsdowne just to warm a bench?

Well my point was somewhat tongue in cheek. Had he left Carsley out, or kept him on the bench, then I could at least say, he has a plan, noone els ein the universe can see what it is, but he has something laid out.

As he has brought him in, it just looks liek he hasn't a clue.

BaZmO*

psi wrote:

As he has brought him in, it just looks liek he hasn't a clue.

It only "looks like"?

I'd say it's quite conclusive.

GuanYin

BaZmO* wrote:

It only "looks like"?

I'd say it's quite conclusive.

Well you know, I'm trying to remain objective.

The sad thing about modding the forum is that if I were to say exactly how I felt about the situation, I'd break just about all the rules and have to ban myself