Trivium - melodic thrash metal?

Ph3n0m

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=60470

I nearly choked on my lunch....he really isnt serious is he?

Doctor J

They're about as heavy as Leatherwolf or Wrathchild USA. Thrash they are not. Melodic? To a certain extent. Drastically overhyped? I should coco.

Alucard II

maybe melodic thrash is what they were aiming for, but they took a wrong turn somewhere around suckville.

neGev

Alucard II wrote:

maybe melodic thrash is what they were aiming for, but they took a wrong turn somewhere around suckville.

I giggled

Anyway, they're metalcore all the way. And metalcore is a bag of geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Motley Crue

Ph3n0m wrote:

I nearly choked on my lunch....he really isnt serious is he?

I nearly did the same, im starting to hate this band, lets just have Roadrunner save their credibility...and fast by re-signing Chimaira (biggest mistake to drop them ever) and release the new Killswitch Engage album. I never taught Roadrunner Records were about commercialism, then I saw they'd signed the New York Dolls!

I like the Dolls, but thats a different argument:rolleyes:

Undergod

They like to think they're thrash, but they're deluding themselves. Definitely metalcore, imo.
I haven't really heard enough to judge them though, I didn't listen to much to Ascendancy and that's all I've heard.

Alucard II

to tie (what WERE) the previous 2 posts together (before Undergod snuck in a post while i was writing :P ), i've heard news involving Killswitch, January, and a gig. also, Killswitch are metalcore, and *points to neGevs post*

but yes, Trivium are metalcore. definitely thrash influenced, but you'll find that with a lot of metalcore.

Devious

Shockingly, I found myself humming Entrance of the Conflagration today. To be fair, theres one or two half-decent tracks on the new album. One or two.

Den_M

Why listen to trivium when you could listen to Kreator instead?

neGev

Wise words indeed.

[offtopic]Roadrunner have become pretty commercial in the grand scheme of things.[/pfftopic]

Doctor J

neGev wrote:

[offtopic]Roadrunner have become pretty commercial in the grand scheme of things.[/pfftopic]

Yeah, about 12 years ago when they dropped all their good bands

I don't understand a lot of these new terminologies, Metalcore? What the hell is that supposed to be? I've heard Lamb Of God described as metalcore. Now, to my ears, Lamb Of God and Trivium don't sound remotely like each other. Explain.

Black NG-60-90

Erm metalcore is a fusion of thrash metal and hardcore which does not apply to Trivium because they do not have the hardcore element. Nuclear Assault, COC and Unearth are examples of true metalcore.

Doctor J

Well, you see the thing is, back when I saw Nuclear Assault in 1988, they were the epitome of thrash in the hayday of said genre. Since the end of the 80's COC haven't been thrash nor hardcore. As I recall, thrash as I understood it in the 80's was a delightful blend, the rawness and energy of hardcore punk mixed with heavy metal (Maiden, Priest, Accept, Sabbath, etc). You see, thrash already is a mix of hardcore, if we stick to the definition of thrash when it actually existed. Sounds like metalcore is just a new buzzword (I'm looking in your ****ty direction, Kerrang magazine ) for a less innovative of something that already exists, namely thrash and Trivium are not this, not even close, not only do they not have a hardcore element, they don't have a thrash element either

I don't understand how the categorisation of a band can change retrospectively to some buzz word created 20 years after bands were what they were and are. Nuclear Assault always were and always will a classic thrash band.

Death to pointless categorisations!!!

Ph3n0m

Doctor J wrote:

Death to pointless categorisations!!!

So you are telling me you can live in a world without the following:

Viking Troll Metal
Mallcore
Metalcore
Pagan Metal
Avant garde metal
Bay Area thrash metal
Black metal
Blackened death metal
Blackened thrash metal
Classic metal
Crossover thrash
Dark metal
Death metal
Deathcore
Deathgrind
Deathrash
Doom metal
Epic metal
Extreme metal
Folk metal
Funk metal
Glam metal
Gothic metal
Grindcore
Groove metal
Hipster metal
Industrial metal
Melodic black metal
Melodic death metal
Metalcore
Neo-classical metal
New Wave of British Heavy Metal
Post-metal
Power metal
Rapcore
Scandinavian death metal
Sludge metal
Speed metal
Stoner rock
Swedecore
Symphonic metal
Technical death metal
Thrash metal
Viking metal
Vomit metal

Doctor J

What in blue blazes is mallcore?

Edit -? Oh, and to answer your question, yes, I have successfully lived in a world without all but three or four of those pointless terms for a long time now, almost as long as you

Ph3n0m

Doctor J wrote:

What in blue blazes is mallcore?

probably some kind of metalcore-emo-blues-stoner side project that happened at the Mall - hence mallcore was born. Imagine it kids screaming whilst out shopping, hell I know some 5 years olds that will do that for free - and we dont have to get them tattooed

Doctor J

Cool. I will raise the metal fist of solidarity to the next 5 year old I see throwing a tantrum in Dunnes! Rock on, young brother of core!

Black NG-60-90

Dude wtf? You forgot Ragga-metal and Bog metal. Thats disgraceful, get out of here son!

Doctor J

Ph3n0m wrote:

Viking Troll Metal

Brilliant! I'm guessing this is something to do with Finntroll (really guessing)? So every band gets their own genre these days? Cool. I am soooooo out of touch

Ph3n0m

Doctor J wrote:

Brilliant! I'm guessing this is something to do with Finntroll (really guessing)? So every band gets their own genre these days? Cool. I am soooooo out of touch

well done - I personally coined that phrase when I first heard Fintroll and their polka music

Doctor J

Are Finns technically Vikings though?

Doctor J

Actually, are they even Finnish?

Black NG-60-90

Vikings were from Scandi so yeah i guess Finland. Haha this thread was meant to be about Trivium, we've gone way way waaay off topic

Ph3n0m

Black NG-60-90 wrote:

Vikings were from Scandi so yeah i guess Finland. Haha this thread was meant to be about Trivium, we've gone way way waaay off topic

thus showing how much some of us (namely me) hold Trivium in such "high" regard :rolleyes:

20 years from now.....Trivium who?

neGev

Actually, I'm amazed we haven't had any fanboys runnning in here screaming
"OMGZ YOU GEYZ TRIVIUM AND RDRUNNER R ASWEOME SO STFU LOLZ!!!111211112OEN"
I thought it was surely only a question of time

gizmo

Think I touched on the whole "metalcore means jack ****" in the other Trivium post. But once again, Bullet For My Valentine are classed as metalcore, as are Trivium, Unearth, Lamb Of God and As I Lay Dying. Now...are any of those bands remotely similar? Not particularly tbh, hence the term metalcore, imo anyway, is now either too broad to contain the bands people think it encompasses or has totally its meaning like that "other" genre people love to have a go at.

Ph3n0m

gizmo wrote:

Think I touched on the whole "metalcore means jack ****" in the other Trivium post. But once again, Bullet For My Valentine are classed as metalcore, as are Trivium, Unearth, Lamb Of God and As I Lay Dying. Now...are any of those bands remotely similar? Not particularly tbh, hence the term metalcore, imo anyway, is now either too broad to contain the bands people think it encompasses or has totally its meaning like that "other" genre people love to have a go at.

yeah well that doesnt excuse the fact that bands like Trivium and Bullet For My Valentine are ****e - no matter what tag they are labeled

TerrorFirmer

I think they have one or two relatively decent songs. For the most part though while I wouldn't call them ****e I wouldn't be overly bothered with them either.

brianthebard

Black NG-60-90 wrote:

Erm metalcore is a fusion of thrash metal and hardcore which does not apply to Trivium because they do not have the hardcore element. Nuclear Assault, COC and Unearth are examples of true metalcore.

No it's not, when -core is used in a genre name it is supposed to mean that the band in question is going back to the core elements, in this case the core elements of metal, which means solos, good riffs, etc.

The problem with genre names is that they are overused and have lost meaning. Just a small case in point would be thrash and hardcore. I've heard trash described (by slayer) as metal heaviness with the speed and aggression of punk. I've heard hardcore described as punk style and agression with the musicianship and riffage of metal.
Both make sense, but are very different things.

Black NG-60-90

brianthebard wrote:

No it's not, when -core is used in a genre name it is supposed to mean that the band in question is going back to the core elements, in this case the core elements of metal, which means solos, good riffs, etc.

Eh no, then they would basically be a METAL band.

Motley Crue

Doctor J wrote:

Explain.

Metalcore is a musical genre consisting of a mix between heavy metal and hardcore punk. Although the genre has risen in popularity since the turn of the millennium, it is not a new genre, as many would believe, since bands such as Integrity have been around since the late 1980s.

Defining the metalcore sound is not an easy task, as various bands have fused a hardcore-influenced sound and attitude with many different types of metal. The earliest signs of this before being labeled metalcore was 'crossover thrash'. The band that declared the crossover was Dirty Rotten Imbeciles on their late 1980s album of the same name. Other bands, like Nuclear Assault, are bleeding edge pioneers themselves.

It should be noted that metalcore and crossover are generally considered separate identities, with "crossover" referring to a mix of thrash metal and hardcore punk, and metalcore being a slower, heavier, hardcore-rooted style influenced by thrash metal and death metal.