This'll get them going in Cork!!!!!

Gordon

humanji wrote:

"Gordon's Wild Ride",

YEAH BABY!!

Love it! A wild ride with Gordon is certainly worth at least 14 euros.

Dyr

oh i did read it for my sins, well done on the debating.


Im just pointing out that you deciding that someone is a big sad bar stool sitting rebel song singing git because they aint got no respect for land deeds given out by her maj. queen vic (God rest her heathen soul) is a bit like if i was to call you a post-colonial-apologising-hand-the-country back-to-the-sassenach-and-apologise-for-the-state-its-in west brit based on your posts, *foot hits table*

ie knee jerky

Lurk

Well the lease has run out, so those two guys own the land and can do what they want with it in reason. The woman who owned it originally must have wanted to keep it in the family, or else why didn't she just donate the park to Mallow.
Someone referred to that guy who bought Dartmouth Square...didn't the government just laugh at him when he asked for €15 million or thereabouts?
As a taxpayer, I don't mind contributing toward €1 million for a public park in wee Cork, but €15 million going to a speculator is just bananas.

The Sweeper

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

no we all cant be wrong, everybody else is able to debate this issue like adults, no matter what side they believe is right....
but your just embarrassing yourself here with your posts, and yes that's embarrass with two R's

In order to be embarrassed, I need to actually be personally affected by what you're spouting. I'm sorry - I really am - but I don't care. That's the beauty of the internet. I can make my point, argue my point, and ignore the poor posting technique that is the pseudo-concerned "sssh your embarrassing yourself", or the correcting of spelling, or any of the other nifty little asides you want to use because you can't answer my points.

Let me state them again, so you can have another go:

Do you *really* know where you come from?

If you don't know where you come from, how can you truly lay claim to anywhere that you live based on anything outside the piece of paper that declares your legal ownership?

Can you define 'modern' in terms of colonisation?

Can you tell me why what happened 100 years ago is of greater importance than 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago etc?

bambi wrote:

Im just pointing out that you deciding that someone is a big sad bar stool sitting rebel song singing git because they aint got no respect for land deeds given out by her maj. queen vic (God rest her heathen soul) is a bit like if i was to call you a post-colonial-apologising-hand-the-country back-to-the-sassenach-and-apologise-for-the-state-its-in west brit based on your posts, *foot hits table*

So if I were to head up a military coup in Ireland tomorrow, assume control, form my own government, I could take the deeds of all of ye who own homes in Ireland (precious commodity that they are!) and it'd be all right because I don't need to respect the deeds handed out by a law formed under the previous government?

Smashing! To arms!

tallus

The previous governments aren't an occupying power tho.

Dyr

MinesBIGSLUT wrote:

In order to be embarrassed, I need to actually be personally affected by what you're spouting. I'm sorry - I really am - but I don't care. That's the beauty of the internet. I can make my point, argue my point, and ignore the poor posting technique that is the pseudo-concerned "sssh your embarrassing yourself", or the correcting of spelling, or any of the other nifty little asides you want to use because you can't answer my points.

oh dear slutty, you might just have missed the point a teensy bit. Your points have been peppered with ad hominum attacks where you try to tar people with a big green brush. Thats the point.

Im glad you've bought the subject of posting technique up though, as we need to have a quick chat on the matter. It's all a bit embarrasing to bring this up in public of course but when you quote someone convention dictates that you're supposed to be responding to the text in the quote. I'm not sure why you've quoted my post when your response has nothing to do with it but i'll try to soldier on. Heres a quick example of correct usage of quotes for future note:

MinesBIGSLUT wrote:

So if I were to head up a military coup in Ireland tomorrow, assume control, form my own government, I could take the deeds of all of ye who own homes in Ireland (precious commodity that they are!) and it'd be all right because I don't need to respect the deeds handed out by a law formed under the previous government?

Why no bigslut, it would be very wrong indeedy. Which is why those two lads probably have no claim to a field in mallow

Also, lets take all those COI churches that were nicked offa the pope back in the day. Anglicans are old and wussified now, it'll be dead easy

The Sweeper

Bambi wrote:

Im glad you've bought the subject of posting technique up though, as we need to have a quick chat on the matter. It's all a bit embarrasing to bring this up in public of course but when you quote someone convention dictates that you're supposed to be responding to the text in the quote. I'm not sure why you've quoted my post when your response has nothing to do with it but i'll try to soldier on. Heres a quick example of correct usage of quotes for future note

Hahahahahahahah ignore my points, engage in a snippity bitch war about posting methodology?

Do you have something to contribute to the actual original context of this thread, or should I point you in the direction of the gathering cards so you can find something cutting and lol-worthy?

sceptre

brim4brim wrote:

The land wasn't given to them by the Irish government. If it was directly after the Irish independence do you think they'd of been paid. They have no right to the land anymore because the country is under different ownership.

If that was the case (and obviously it wasn't), every single person who owned a house prior to 1922 would have suddenly found right after independence that they didn't own it and that they'd have to ask permission from the new provisional government to have the deeds to their property. What you might have liked to happen, regardless of whether it should have happened or not, obviously didn't happen.

Given the location of the land in question and the size of the land in question, I tend to think a million euros is something of a bargain for the town council to pay for a freehold interest. Of course, whether I trust a town council to take a freehold interest in something like that without selling off part of it every few years whenever cash runs low for a few apartments to be slotted into place with a nice view of the river is another thing again.

Hobbes

sceptre wrote:

If that was the case (and obviously it wasn't), every single person who owned a house prior to 1922 would have suddenly found right after independence that they didn't own it and that they'd have to ask permission from the new provisional government to have the deeds to their property.

Technically they did. Isn't that what compulsory purchase orders are for.

BaZmO*

Hobbes wrote:

Technically they did. Isn't that what compulsory purchase orders are for.

Nope.

Compulsory purchase orders

What does it mean?

City Council has the power to compulsorily acquire property for certain purposes.

From the planning point of view, powers are available for land to be developed, redeveloped or improved.

It is important for local authorities and other public bodies to use to get together the land needed to help deliver change.

Used properly, they can help with good urban regeneration, the revitalisation of communities, and the promotion of business - leading to improvements in quality of life.

Those possessing compulsory purchase powers - whether at local, regional or national level - are encouraged to consider using them pro-actively wherever appropriate to ensure real gains are brought to residents and the business community without delay.

Compulsory Purchase Orders have to be authorised by the City Council.

Compulsory Purchase is a legal process but the basic steps are as follows:

The City Council authorise an Order.

The Order is made and submitted to the Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State.

Notification of the Order is served on all those having an interest in the land.

This then allows for objections to be made.

Anyone can object to the Order, not just those having interests in the land concerned.

If the objections are not withdrawn a Public Local Inquiry will be held.

This is open to the public and, at the Inspector's discretion; it may be possible for those not having a direct interest in the Order to be heard.

Following the Inquiry the Secretary of State will then issue his decision.

This can either be that he confirms the Order, or confirms the Order with modification (ie. he may take some of the properties out of the Order), or does not confirm the Order.

If the Order is agreed the City Council will proceed to take possession of the property.

If there are no objections an Inquiry will not be held but the Secretary of State will make his decision as above.

All those having an interest in land will be compensated for the loss of their property.

The rules of compensation are complex but as a general principle no owner should be worse off as a result of compulsory purchase.

For instance, if the property concerned is where you live either the City Council will re-house you or you should have enough compensation to set up a new home.

Although Compulsory Purchase is way to get land it is usually done as part of a wider initiative, eg. a regeneration scheme or City Centre redevelopment scheme.

These are subject in their own right to consultation with local communities.

There will always be opportunities for individuals to make their views known about the proposals.

meditraitor

brim4brim wrote:

BTW do you live in ireland with a comment like this? That attitude is alive and well in parts of the country. Besides this has nothing to do with that. It is a simple matter of change of ownership of the country. The previous contract should be considered null and void.

I live in this country, born of irish parents and can trace my family back to imperialistic times.
You seem to have a big problem with the british rule and rightly so but dont be so naive as to think we were not assimilated totally into the english speaking empire and therefor are little different from the people of the UK, we speak the same language, have the same failings.
What most little

bigslut wrote:

"enjoy drinking pints and singing rebel songs because you have nothing else in your life to be passionate about"

type guys dont realise is that in those times the darwinian theory(violent aspects) of survival of the fittest was more prevelant.
The british conquered us(not denying the atrocities associated, but all the big nations were guilty at this period in history-spain,portugal,france,belgium) and used us for 800 years, we would never have defeated them but for what we learned from them.
Chew on that for a while and then throw your stones,
At worst we are brothers who fell out,
The Irish are about as different from the English as people from Newcastle are different to Londoners.
There was never a complete dissolution of anglo irish communication and a lot of British landowners got to keep there land after independance with the concent of the new Irish government,

Dyr

MinesBIGSLUT wrote:

Hahahahahahahah ignore my points, engage in a snippity bitch war about posting methodology?

Do you have something to contribute to the actual original context of this thread, or should I point you in the direction of the gathering cards so you can find something cutting and lol-worthy?

Oh come now bigslut, it's plain that you were the one who brought up the issue of posting technique, dont complain about the view when you've been hoisted on your own petard.

My contribution on the original subject was made at the top of page two, it's pretty droll I might add. I'm now only here now to bring to you to book for insulting people while you "debate"

The Sweeper

You see the little triangular button in the bottom left of the posts with the exclamation mark? That, oh champion of the stupid, inarticulate and downtrodden, is the 'report posts' button. If you believe I'm personally abusing people, press that. Go on - ring that little bell with all your might if you believe in fairies, save Tinkerbell, Bambi, save her!

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

meditraitor wrote:

I live in this country, born of irish parents and can trace my family back to imperialistic times.
You seem to have a big problem with the british rule and rightly so but dont be so naive as to think we were not assimilated totally into the english speaking empire and therefor are little different from the people of the UK, we speak the same language, have the same failings.
What most little type guys dont realise is that in those times the darwinian theory(violent aspects) of survival of the fittest was more prevelant.
The british conquered us(not denying the atrocities associated, but all the big nations were guilty at this period in history-spain,portugal,france,belgium) and used us for 800 years, we would never have defeated them but for what we learned from them.
Chew on that for a while and then throw your stones,
At worst we are brothers who fell out,
The Irish are about as different from the English as people from Newcastle are different to Londoners.
There was never a complete dissolution of anglo irish communication and a lot of British landowners got to keep there land after independance with the concent of the new Irish government,

completely off the topic that is discussed here...
try start another thread if you want to discuss the difference between Irish culture and english culture.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

MinesBIGSLUT wrote:

You see the little triangular button in the bottom left of the posts with the exclamation mark? That, oh champion of the stupid, inarticulate and downtrodden, is the 'report posts' button. If you believe I'm personally abusing people, press that. Go on - ring that little bell with all your might if you believe in fairies, save Tinkerbell, Bambi, save her!

more off the topic posting...
send a PM if you want to convey a private message like the message above

Dyr

your posting about ppl being off topic is off topic, please send a PM. kthx

hmm maybe i shoulda Pm'ed this..

Terry

Bambi wrote:

your posting about ppl being off topic is off topic, please send a PM. kthx

hmm maybe i shoulda Pm'ed this..

indeed.
also. you only need to report the post once. thaanks.

Dyr

julep wrote:

indeed.
also. you only need to report the post once. thaanks.

Good sir, i am shocked by your inference. I have reported nothing, nor do i intend to. I aints no rat, see?

Dustaz

YeH I HaTE DE EngLISH TOO - MATE!

wait, im about 3 1/2 pages too late for that arent i?

hullaballoo

Tá aithne agam ar cailín agus tá a hathair ón tSansana. Tá suíomh beag talamh aige sna gClocha Liath. A bhastúin!

Níl a fhios agam cad atá ina intinn bheith ina gcónaí in Éirinn ar chor ar bith! Rógaire amadach! Pah!

meditraitor

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

it would if we took much notice.... but unlike some of our others friends a little north of us, we don't recognize buckingham palace or any ancestral claims they may have. we will just keep stringing them along for the ride.

nice try.

+

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

completely off the topic that is discussed here...
try start another thread if you want to discuss the difference between Irish culture and english culture.

No sense

Are you a bit confused darling?

My reply was in the context of prevoius replys about why we should rob these good gentlemen of thier(legally) land because of our supposed cultural and historical difference, your posts being one of them

Karoma

Focus on ze topic, etc.

Dyr

hullaballoo wrote:

Tá aithne agam ar cailín agus tá a hathair ón tSansana. Tá suíomh beag talamh aige sna gClocha Liath. A bhastúin!

Níl a fhios agam cad atá ina intinn bheith ina gcónaí in Éirinn ar chor ar bith! Rógaire amadach! Pah!

Kneehiggim Caw will an tSanasa? On will shay Sansanock?

WhiteWashMan

shut the fúck up and stop whinging about off topic posting.

when being off topic becomes an issue on an AH thread, there will be snow somewhere around the inner rings of hades. this isnt the politics forum.

christ, its like a creche in here. sort yourselves out.

anyone wants to have a debate about being off topic, i suggest you ppost yourself a thread on the feedback forum and have yourselves a good old knees up.

mods, please ban anyone who fills the forum with this ****e again will you?