Death Metal - Does Anyone Genuinely Like This?

Den_M

I'm listening to Like Angels Weeping (The Dark) by Kataklysm at the moment and all I can say is WOW! It's everything I love about DM, that much heavier than metal without being unlistenable. Great melodic riffs as well.

edit : check out Sacramentum also, their album 'Far Away From the Sun' is brilliant.

AlanOB

For the most part Death Metal (and in particular Grindcore) is like ear cancer to me. Amelodic, uninspiring crap.

But having said that Unquestionable Presence and Individual Thought Patterns are favourites of mine, particularly the latter (Andy LaRocque is awesome).

No coincidence of course that Atheist and Death are as far from amelodic and uninspiring as you can get.

PureCork

Personally, I love Death Metal. Its not my favourite genre of music, but its not 1 i can ignore for over an hour

Try listening to Opeth.. Best (Death Metal) Band ever :P

So Synchronised... Melodic... Sweet...

How can you not like Opeth?

Not liking Opeth is about the same as loving dance music on pirate radio stations

its wrong!

It wasn't me!

Motley Crue wrote:

Now that is the funniest thing I've read all week.

They are, they're very hardcore punk.

Motley Crue

It wasn't me! wrote:

They are, they're very hardcore punk.

Ok man, sorry to anyone I offended, thanks for the correction.

Tar.Aldarion

Ah, just threw that in there to see how much you knew. (:

Alucard II

It wasn't me! wrote:

Heh, I do try.

*takes picture of Shane Embury to bathroom*

is it wrong that i wanted to make a necrophilia-themed joke about Jesse Pintado?

hehe, don't answer that, i know the answer...

Karl Hungus

So, Motley Crue, has this thread opened your eyes at all?

nacho libre

"...the first person to have mentioned two of my favourite death metal bands, Lykathea Aflame and Bloodbath. The album Elvenfris by Lykathea aflame is possably the single greatest death metal album of all time, an excellent mix of technical prowess and some great rythems, and a good mix of pace's, and the very chilling "Walking In The Garden Of Ma'at" to finish off the album, great song to just sit and think to, the full album racks in at over an hour too, so your getting both quality and quantity by the bucket load, definately an album you should have."

Elvenfris, while a great album, is eclipsed for that accolade by Individual Thought Patterns or TSOP.

neGev

nacho libre wrote:

Elvenfris, while a great album, is eclipsed for that accolade by Individual Thought Patterns or TSOP.

I don't think Elvenfris could be topped by any Death album, but if so, I'd think it'd be by Leprosy or Human.

gline

for me the more extreme stuff is all about the drumming.
i love the very technical drumming and some stuff can be very hard to replicate
also the extreme stuff is great live, you cant beat it for a live show

lld

Motley Crue wrote:

Cannibal Corpse http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=34783325
Dying Fetus http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=6496929

These two aren't accurate representations of death metal, they're derivative populist garbage with only a glossing of death metal (underneath theyre just rock bands).

Rotting Christ were a black metal band in their earlier years, in their later years they've become a gothic rock band. Their early work is excellent, particularly 'thy mighty contract', but they're not death metal.

Napalm death are a grindcore band (punk played blisteringly fast).
They've taken on some attributes of death in recent times but are far too political to ever be a death metal band (death metal is about the cold harsh reality of death and is disdainful of the petiness of politics).

Good, representative death metal bands and their key works:
deicide - 'legion', morbid angel - 'blessed are the sick', therion - 'beyond sanctorum', at the gates - 'the red in the sky is ours', slayer - 'reign in blood'.

Morf

lld wrote:

Good, representative death metal bands and their key works:
deicide - 'legion', morbid angel - 'blessed are the sick', therion - 'beyond sanctorum', at the gates - 'the red in the sky is ours', slayer - 'reign in blood'.

since when have slayer been death metal? they've never even done blast beats, thrash is the word your looking for

lld

blast beats are the only defining feature of death metal?
in that case autopsy aen't a death metal band. neither are atheist, cadaver or massacra for that matter.


lets see:
chromatic riffs, heavy use of tremolo picking to create sustained flows of notes, overt use of death as a lyrical, visual and musical theme.... yup, sounds like a death metal band.


Slayer along with Master, Rigor Mortis, Possessed and Sepultura were a foundational act for death metal. Reign in Blood's riffing style was adopted by practically every death metal band that came after it as a model. Sure, they dont have deep growling vocals or blast beats, but both of these are largely superficial elements of secondary significance to the actual notes being played and besides, were originally elements of grindcore that later became assimilated into death metal.
Without slayer death metal would not exist as we now know it.

Karl Hungus

lld wrote:

Slayer along with Master, Rigor Mortis, Possessed and Sepultura were a foundational act for death metal. Reign in Blood's riffing style was adopted by practically every death metal band that came after it as a model. Sure, they dont have deep growling vocals or blast beats, but both of these are largely superficial elements of secondary significance to the actual notes being played and besides, were originally elements of grindcore that later became assimilated into death metal.
Without slayer death metal would not exist as we now know it.

You know, I don't think anyone here is doubting of disputing Thrash metal's influence on Death metal (Although I think you left out Venom as an influence), but in fairness, you can hardly count the influences of a genre amongs it's ranks.

While I'd agree that it's good to know where things have evolved from, and I'd definetly urge a lot of people who may be interested in various extreme metal genres to check out pioneers like Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Possessed, Bathory, and so on, but I think Death Metal has evolved since it's inception, and influential as they are, Slayer don't bare as much resemblance as they used to in the beginning.

Ramses

by the way, there's a great section in this months Terrorizer magazine about death metal, also includes a bonus cd with lots of death metal classics

Prezatch

On the topic of death metal, does anyone listen to Krisiun? I don't often see them mentioned around the internet on forums and stuff but I think they're great. They released their debut in 1995 and have had 6 other albums since!

Videos and mp3's here - http://www.myspace.com/krisiun666

brianthebard

lld wrote:

blast beats are the only defining feature of death metal?
in that case autopsy aen't a death metal band. neither are atheist, cadaver or massacra for that matter.


lets see:
chromatic riffs, heavy use of tremolo picking to create sustained flows of notes, overt use of death as a lyrical, visual and musical theme.... yup, sounds like a death metal band.


Slayer along with Master, Rigor Mortis, Possessed and Sepultura were a foundational act for death metal. Reign in Blood's riffing style was adopted by practically every death metal band that came after it as a model. Sure, they dont have deep growling vocals or blast beats, but both of these are largely superficial elements of secondary significance to the actual notes being played and besides, were originally elements of grindcore that later became assimilated into death metal.
Without slayer death metal would not exist as we now know it.

If you want to argue that Slayer informed death metal fair enough but as the poster above you said (however simplistically) slayer are thrash.

projectmayhem

had to

Shiminay

That is absolutely priceless! I'll give it a vintage:

Kharn wrote:

ROFL - Good 'un mate!

Diarmuid

Who doesn't love Hammer Smashed Face ? :-)

LightofDarkness

I'll agree that Cannibal Corpse and Dying Fetus suck nads. But I won't agree that Slayer are death metal. THose non-critical trappings you mentioned are some of the things Slayer lack which prevent them from totally plunging into the death metal mould. And for the recrod, a large of amount of death metal fans don't consider Possessed death metal even (some have suggested hyper thrash), especially when you consider the direction taken by the genre since then.

As regards good examples of the genre, I guess I'd say check out Pavor, Lykathea Aflame, Cryptopsy, Necrophagist, Death, Cynic, Amorphis, Infester, Incantation, Morbid Angel (try and stcik to pre-Domination. Icky.), Liers in Wait, Aborted, Deicide, Gorod, Continuo Renacer, Martyr(Canadian, mind. New album = sex), Sleep Terror, Immolation, Suffocation, Arsis, Arghoslent, Gory Blister, Atheretic, Before God, Bloodbath, Deeds of Flesh, Luciferion, Illogicist, Ingurgitating Oblivion (for the Morbid Angel fans), Mithras, Origin (really more grindy, but cool enough), Vile, Scent of Flesh and a little Theory in Practice for good measure. So there you have it. A long Island Iced Tea of death metal, each band cherry picked as a good example from respective sub genres of death metal, from brutal to melodic to just plain death. Drink it, and be drunk with the power that is death metal.:p

Den_M

I've been listening to Catamenia and Insomnium recently and can recommend them both highly.

lld

LightofDarkness wrote:

I'll agree that Cannibal Corpse and Dying Fetus suck nads. But I won't agree that Slayer are death metal. THose non-critical trappings you mentioned are some of the things Slayer lack which prevent them from totally plunging into the death metal mould. And for the recrod, a large of amount of death metal fans don't consider Possessed death metal even (some have suggested hyper thrash), especially when you consider the direction taken by the genre since then.

I won't deny that both possessed and slayer have each got one foot in the speed/thrash camp, but to me it seems they've got all the important things covered that would make them a death metal band. perhaps at least we can call them proto-death?

Cryptopsy, Amorphis, Infester, Incantation, Morbid Angel, Deicide, Immolation, Suffocation, Deeds of Flesh, So there you have it.

Crap removed ; ) .

Ph3n0m

lld wrote:

I won't deny that both possessed and slayer have each got one foot in the speed/thrash camp, but to me it seems they've got all the important things covered that would make them a death metal band. perhaps at least we can call them proto-death?


Crap removed ; ) .

oh sweet jesus "proto-death" - WTF, seriously WTF

another bloody label?

suppose I might aswell direct you here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055004724

Duff Man Jr.

for all you haters

http://www.wikihow.com/Appreciate-Death-Metal

kevin_de_big

Everybody into melodic/technical death should check arsis out. I really can't word how excellent I think they are.

www.worshipdepraved.com

Morf

Den_M wrote:

I've been listening to Catamenia and Insomnium recently and can recommend them both highly.

I saw insomnium live with enslaved, zyklon, 1349. They didnt impress me that much but maybe they're a lot better on record

LightofDarkness

lld wrote:

I won't deny that both possessed and slayer have each got one foot in the speed/thrash camp, but to me it seems they've got all the important things covered that would make them a death metal band. perhaps at least we can call them proto-death?


Crap removed ; ) .

I'm imagining you're supposed to be a late eighties, early nineties only death metal fan, but if so why are Liers in Wait crap? Gory Blister and Demonicon by Luciferion? Are you just saying crap removed or assuming if you haven't heard them they must suck.

Autobot Killa

i love death metal, not as much as i love black metal, but none the less is still love it, everything from Carcass to Morbid Angel to Death to the Gothenburg/Stockholm scene/sound with the likes of Entombed and Opeth.