Best House Alarm?

fred funk }{

Tim M-U wrote: »

GreenHills limerick! www.grdcctv.ie . I paid €442.20 . for the above

I thought it was 390 Euro.

Tim M-U

fred funk }{ wrote: »

I thought it was 390 Euro.

that was a wholesaler in dublin

jamesbond

hkc or CS250,favor toward hkc

KoolKid

jamesbond wrote: »

hkc or CS250,favor toward hkc

Both 10 year old technology:eek:

Europlex Astec Fusion or Aritechs new ATS

altor

Tim M-U wrote: »

€390 includes the following:

internal ECHO
enternal SABB
5motion sensors PIR
1shock sensor
1 8 zone panel
txt digi (this texts you, up to 19 mobile)
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the 8 zone panel comes with a keypad. a shock sensor (or a slimline) detecks viberation on walls, windows or doors. this can be used in trophy cabinets ect..

sorry, I should have told you it in detail. my appolagies. lession learned.

your protecting the walls in your house too tim, you dont cut corners when it comes to your house being protected..

KoolKid

altor wrote: »

your protecting the walls in your house too tim, you dont cut corners when it comes to your house being protected..

Probobly for his safe room :rolleyes:

jamesbond

koolkid wrote: »

Both 10 year old technology:eek:

Europlex Astec Fusion or Aritechs new ATS

the astec fusion ,this is a new panel is it,the astec is known for all the problems and faults,dont like it,the ATS is a glorified CS250,its in responce to hkc brining out the wirefree stuff,dont think the ats will sell or the fusion,the ATS is out years

KoolKid

Can you tell me what problems have you had with the fusion.
I was involved in testing & I have used this from the start with no issues to date.

Xennon

Any opinions on the Visonic gear?, is there a source in Ireland for this kit?

KoolKid

Xennon wrote: »

Any opinions on the Visonic gear?, is there a source in Ireland for this kit?

http://www.adi-gardiner.ie/

jamesbond

Xennon wrote: »

Any opinions on the Visonic gear?, is there a source in Ireland for this kit?

i was involved in testing the visonic, we installed 20 trial units and removed 20 due to faults

jamesbond

koolkid wrote: »

Can you tell me what problems have you had with the fusion.
I was involved in testing & I have used this from the start with no issues to date.

i havnt installed the fusion,i have had reports on the astec with regards resistance problems,think it was a softwear problem,its put me of installing them,how do you find the fusion,i take it your in the buiseness of installing

jamesbond

koolkid wrote: »

http://www.adi-gardiner.ie/

think r.e.w do the visonic also

KoolKid

jamesbond wrote: »

i havnt installed the fusion,i have had reports on the astec with regards resistance problems,think it was a softwear problem,its put me of installing them,how do you find the fusion,i take it your in the buiseness of installing

There is no problems with the Fusion that I have found.
It is very reliable & flexable. To judge the brand without trying it is a bit silly really. Its a bit like saying I had problems years ago with a CP32 so Aritech is no good.

jamesbond

koolkid wrote: »

There is no problems with the Fusion that I have found.
It is very reliable & flexable. To judge the brand without trying it is a bit silly really. Its a bit like saying I had problems years ago with a CP32 so Aritech is no good.

thats what i was saying i havnt tried the fusion,only what ive been told about the origional astec,i was thinking of getting a fusion to try out,how are they price wise against the hkc panel and sensors

KoolKid

Price wise similar to HKC . Astec sensors have always been a little dearer but the time saved makes up for that.
With the fusion you can also mix global sensors with Astec 2 wire sensors.

jamesbond

koolkid wrote: »

Price wise similar to HKC . Astec sensors have always been a little dearer but the time saved makes up for that.
With the fusion you can also mix global sensors with Astec 2 wire sensors.

ill have to get one to trial,the text is available now on the new astec isn't it,all the other guys out there i know dont use the astec,just in case you run into problems its nice to ring someone who's installed them,
ive mainly done the other range of panels,what type of wirefree panels do you use,
there are so many wireless panels out there now,hard to pick a decent one,

KoolKid

There was never a software issue with Astec.
Most of the problems were that people didn't understan how the system worked.
If installed correctly you will have very few problems. But bear in mind their older systems 63 & 49 are less forgiving of bad connections.
For wireless I think the best out there for domestic is the SigNet.
The best wireless would be GSD but at the moment this is not geared or priced towards the domestic market.

jamesbond

koolkid wrote: »

There was never a software issue with Astec.
Most of the problems were that people didn't understan how the system worked.
If installed correctly you will have very few problems. But bear in mind their older systems 63 & 49 are less forgiving of bad connections.
For wireless I think the best out there for domestic is the SigNet.
The best wireless would be GSD but at the moment this is not geared or priced towards the domestic market.

cheers,that gsd is that that new panel people are talking about,id say thats expensive,600 zones definatly commertial,
havnt used the signet yet,mainly use the 250 or hkc with bridge,
nice talkin to you,ill let you know how i get on with the astec fusion.
take it easy

altor

Xennon wrote: »

Any opinions on the Visonic gear?, is there a source in Ireland for this kit?

its a good system but dont like the sensors on it, replacing batteries every two years is a must. a year for contacts and motions. you can get them in cork in isd.. pm me and i will give you there phone number..

altor

jamesbond wrote: »

i havnt installed the fusion,i have had reports on the astec with regards resistance problems,think it was a softwear problem,its put me of installing them,how do you find the fusion,i take it your in the buiseness of installing

only problems i have come across with the astec is if it is installed wrong. so easy to install cant believe how many i have come across so badly installed..

KoolKid

+ 1 Fully agree with altor there.

wingnut

Up to date recomendations - House is prewired for alarm - 3 door contacts, 8 window contacts. Want GSM Dialler as I have no landline. What system would you recommed and where can I pick it up. I'm thinking the HKC as most of the discussion has veered towards this. Who are the best suppliers>?

KoolKid

SigNet 100 will cost the same as HKC with much more features.
Upgrade to 200ip will give you remote access.
SigNet GSM dialler will also accept text commands to the panel.
There is no logical reason to go for HKC with whats out there now.

wingnut

recommend a supplier?

KoolKid

If you are in Dublin
http://www.rspl.ie/reliablesecurity/Main/Home.htm

probobly should move to electrical

Finne1993

Hi all, not usually in this part of boards but was googling HKC wiring and this thread came up and hopefully someone here can help me out.
I'm in the middle of installing a HKC alarm in my house and am a little confused as to how to wire the internal bell, on the diagram for wiring the SABB it shows to connect from the stobe + & - terminals from the SABB box to the internal bell terminals in the control panel, is it as simple as putting both sets of cables into the internal bell terminal of the control panel or am I missing something somewhere? The manual is pretty sketchy on the wiring parts. Also where will I wire up the tamper of the internal bell to as I have all 8 zones used up?

On a seperate note can anyone recommend a GSM dialler to me, I'm being quoted some silly prices and an awful lot of places I rang about it knew very little about them.

I'd appreciate if anyone here can help me out

altor

Finne1993 wrote: »

Hi all, not usually in this part of boards but was googling HKC wiring and this thread came up and hopefully someone here can help me out.
I'm in the middle of installing a HKC alarm in my house and am a little confused as to how to wire the internal bell, on the diagram for wiring the SABB it shows to connect from the stobe + & - terminals from the SABB box to the internal bell terminals in the control panel, is it as simple as putting both sets of cables into the internal bell terminal of the control panel or am I missing something somewhere? The manual is pretty sketchy on the wiring parts. Also where will I wire up the tamper of the internal bell to as I have all 8 zones used up?

On a seperate note can anyone recommend a GSM dialler to me, I'm being quoted some silly prices and an awful lot of places I rang about it knew very little about them.

I'd appreciate if anyone here can help me out

Hi Finne1993,
You are correct, the internal bell goes in with the external bell. you could wire the tamper in with the external bell tamper if you have no zones left.

The gsm is expensive for the hkc, about €400 plus vat. It gives you remote access to your panel for setting and disarming also.

Hope this helps, any problems let us know.

KoolKid

altor wrote: »

Hi Finne1993,
You are correct, the internal bell goes in with the external bell.

Dont you men the strobe goes with the internal??
If the internal bell goes with the external then eith all or none will cut out after 15 minutes.


Delly can you move to electrical?

Finne1993

altor wrote: »

Hi Finne1993,
You are correct, the internal bell goes in with the external bell. you could wire the tamper in with the external bell tamper if you have no zones left.

The gsm is expensive for the hkc, about €400 plus vat. It gives you remote access to your panel for setting and disarming also.

Hope this helps, any problems let us know.

Yes, that worked fine, thanks. Its pretty easy setting up the HKC once you take your time and study the book for a while.

It does'nt neccessarily need to be a HKC GSM dialler, all I want is to be given a phonecall when the alarm goes off and to be able to stop the dialler ringing the other numbers thats on its list by pressing * twice or 8 twice etc. Thats the type of one my folks have in their house but they have a phoneline.
I've seen other ones for £195stg delivered on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GSM-Intruder-Burglar-Alarm-Auto-Dialler-Speech-SMS_W0QQitemZ390072823892QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Burglar_Alarms?hash=item5ad226f054&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

This claims to work on any alarm, where on the HKC control panel would this be connected to to trigger the dialler?

altor

Finne1993 wrote: »

Yes, that worked fine, thanks. Its pretty easy setting up the HKC once you take your time and study the book for a while.

It does'nt neccessarily need to be a HKC GSM dialler, all I want is to be given a phonecall when the alarm goes off and to be able to stop the dialler ringing the other numbers thats on its list by pressing * twice or 8 twice etc. Thats the type of one my folks have in their house but they have a phoneline.
I've seen other ones for £195stg delivered on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GSM-Intruder-Burglar-Alarm-Auto-Dialler-Speech-SMS_W0QQitemZ390072823892QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Burglar_Alarms?hash=item5ad226f054&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

This claims to work on any alarm, where on the HKC control panel would this be connected to to trigger the dialler?

Its like everything, easy when you know how
As for the gsm on ebay.. Our high performance GSM autodialler is a great add on for almost all wired intruder alarm systems. I would advise you to stay away from ebay when buying anything to do with your alarm.
Cant fault the hkc gsm so if its worth doing right stick with that for your alarm.

fitzie79

i am looking for an alarm system for my new build. the house is wired for 6 different zones and all windows/doors are wired for contacts. the features i would be looking for are as follows:

control panel (ideally with key fob)
gsm dialler
ip connectivity
camera on driveway that activates when someone sets off a motion detector

what would be the best system available? i will be installing it myself (i know that this means that i can't get a discount for my house insurance). are there systems available that have a camera or would this need to be a sperate system?

Jnealon

The europlex signet 220 will take care of the first three.
You will need a dvr for the cctv. Most dvrs have built in motion detection which will activate a buzzer in the dvr. This works be detecting any change in the picture, including shadows, rain etc Depending on the make the motion detection can be a bit hit and miss.
You could also use some external motion detection like gjd or redwalls connected to the alarm inputs on the back of the dvr.

fitzie79

where can i get the europlex signet 220. is it possible for a diy-er to buy it?

KoolKid

Of course.. Most good security wholesalers will have these.
Where are you located?

fitzie79

cork or limerick would be the handiest cities for me.

KoolKid

http://www.build.ie/electrical-wholesalers/ireland/96_14.htm

fitzie79

koolkid wrote: »

http://www.build.ie/electrical-wholesalers/ireland/96_14.htm

i tried ringing a few of those places listed but they didn't do the europlex alarm. any place that is listed on the europlex website that i have tried only sell to trade. does anyone know of places in cork that definately sell europlex to diy-ers?

KoolKid

Phone Europlex 012500500 I'm sure they can tell you.

fitzie79

koolkid wrote: »

Phone Europlex 012500500 I'm sure they can tell you.

should have thought of that myself!

rang them up and they gave me names of 2 companies in coek. both sell to trade only though. rang back and asked europlex for the name of a supplier who deals with the public but they said they didn't know if their distributors deal with the public

KoolKid

Dont ring those suppliers. Walk in the door , order what you want & then produce cash.
Never seen a wholsaler who doesn't like cash

fitzie79

still no luck in getting the signet system myself. made a bit of a saving on the kitchen from what i had budgeted so now thinking of getting someone to install the alarm for me.

does anyone know someone in the cork area that would be able to supply and fit the alarm. roughly how much should I expect to pay for the signet 220 alarm (with the web interface) and installation? the house is wired already for the alarm. there are 24 window contacts needed and 5 door contacts

KoolKid

Check out the PSA register
http://www.psa.gov.ie/Website/psa/psa.nsf/registervw?Openform
select 1D and search CORK.

For complete installation (if prewired) between €1400- €1600

fitzie79

back again! i have two quotes for alarms - one a hkc system and the other the europlex signet 220 which is €300 more expensive. Both systems have gsm diallers but the signet 220 has the ethernet connection. I'm trying to justify the extra cost to my better half but other than saying that the ethernet connection allows you to view the alarm log and enable/disable it i can't think of any other advantages.

are there other benefits that I haven't thought of?

Jnealon

There shouldn't be that much of a difference if both quotes have the same spec.
While the signet is more expensive it's gsm unit is cheaper than the hkc equivalent so they pretty much even out

Tim M-U

fitzie79 wrote: »

should have thought of that myself!

rang them up and they gave me names of 2 companies in coek. both sell to trade only though. rang back and asked europlex for the name of a supplier who deals with the public but they said they didn't know if their distributors deal with the public

GRD (GREENHILLS RAINBOW DISTRIBUTION) supply alarms for the public and installers (in limerick anyway). http://www.grdcctv.ie/

Here are a list of suppliers for alarms (honeywell, hkc..):
Borsatec D.2 Ph: 01-6712233
Gardiner Security Ltd., D.12 01- 4501366
Greenhills Security Ltd, D.12 01-4602014
Greenhills Security Ltd, Donnabate , Dublin 01 8107597
Jem Security Products. D.24 01-4566124
National Electric Wholesalers. D.15 01-8767500
National Electric, Ballymount, D.12 01-4567100
National Electrical, Naas, Co Kildare 045 895896
Northwood Technology.D.1 01- 8601880
Phelan Security, D.9 01-8571404
Reliable Security Products. D.3 01-8372439
Sesco Security. Navan, Meath 046-9071318
Wesco Naas, Kildare 045-871025
Wesco, Louth 041 9836571
Wesco, Drogheda, Louth 041 9836571
Wesco, Navan, Co Meath 046 9023203
Wesco, Newbridge, Co Kildare 045 433759
IGT, Lucan,Co Dublin 01-6283596

LIMERICK
Greenhills(Mike Curry) 0868076660
Cork Branches

AES 0214964777
Gardiner Security 021 4845180
Greenhills Security 021 4351091
National Electrical Wholesalers 021 4536161

Northern Ireland
Greenhills Belfast 048 90370030

KoolKid

Phelan Security, D.9 01-8571404
and
Greenhills Security Ltd, D.12 01-4602014
Are no more!!!

KoolKid

fitzie79 wrote: »

back again! i have two quotes for alarms - one a hkc system and the other the europlex signet 220 which is €300 more expensive. Both systems have gsm diallers but the signet 220 has the ethernet connection. I'm trying to justify the extra cost to my better half but other than saying that the ethernet connection allows you to view the alarm log and enable/disable it i can't think of any other advantages.

are there other benefits that I haven't thought of?

Jnealon is right in that the difference in GSM dialler prices should cancel out some of the difference.
However the differenced between the HKC & Signet 220 is considerable.
The Signet is newer technologly with lots of extra features.
On top of the web browser.

• X10 compatible
• Unlimited calanders can be applied to codes, zones X10 etc.
• X10 switchable via web browser
• Full cause & effect switching of X10 Devices & outputs
• Wireless entendable via expanders &/or keypads.
• unlimited log
• logging of all events set/or unset
• Pace enabled keypads .
• Access control.

I could go on & on , but I recommend getting a full demonstration of a live Signet system before making any decision.

rolion

Hi,
I'll love to get one of these as a gift for myself :
GSM Alarm

altor

rolion wrote: »

Hi,
I'll love to get one of these as a gift for myself :
GSM Alarm

Why dont you then ?