Best House Alarm?

KoolKid

rolion wrote: »

Hi,
I'll love to get one of these as a gift for myself :
GSM Alarm

Why not get a real one?

blog_blog_blog

rolion wrote: »

Hi,
I'll love to get one of these as a gift for myself :
GSM Alarm

I bought a similar system from Ebay to save money, Pir Sensors/fobs look the same. It now does a great job of protecting a landfill somewhere..Chinese rubbish

Appreciate the info from thread already koolkid etc and muppets.
Can you recommend a dublin installer for signet 220. As regards the eternet connection. Can you connect a Ip camera to system? Is it possible to view a camera remotely? Or to intergrate one into the system? Or is this more commercial control.

Thanks

KoolKid

Pm me your details & I can arrange a quotation & demonstration of a Live SigNet system if you want.
Views IP cameras would be connecting them straight to your network, not via SigNet.
You could however log into your signet on one browser window & view a camera on another at the same time.

AlfaDelta

koolkid wrote: »

Phelan Security, D.9 01-8571404
and
Greenhills Security Ltd, D.12 01-4602014
Are no more!!!

If Greenhills have gone, does anyone know of any other supplier of HKC alarms in the Limerick area? Or anywhere else in the country that will do mail order?

altor

AlfaDelta wrote: »

If Greenhills have gone, does anyone know of any other supplier of HKC alarms in the Limerick area? Or anywhere else in the country that will do mail order?

You should ring HKC and they will give you a list of suppliers in your area or who supplies them close to you. There number is 01-4568353 or even e-mail sales@hkc.ie.

kormesii

blog_blog_blog wrote: »

I bought a similar system from Ebay to save money, Pir Sensors/fobs look the same. It now does a great job of protecting a landfill somewhere..Chinese rubbish

Appreciate the info from thread already koolkid etc and muppets.
Can you recommend a dublin installer for signet 220. As regards the eternet connection. Can you connect a Ip camera to system? Is it possible to view a camera remotely? Or to intergrate one into the system? Or is this more commercial control.

Thanks

Hi, Can you explain what kind of problems you have with such system cause I'm about to buy such system (just for tests ) exactly from ebay ...:rolleyes: False alarms , trouble programming, or entirely weak product ?
About camera : I doubt you can find serious panel with IP camera installation possibilities. The main reason is that no one want to do such extra work on its system bus (non standard IP camera) and also there is no standard for interfacing IP cameras... Every provider has own sw for accessing it , but how ever that's huge extra work for it and that is not primary burglary panel function...
But many alarm panels has Picture verification... The main idea is to make several pictures in key moments (when arming, and in programmable events).... Nowever this information is primary intended for ARC centre... I don't know providers to give possibility to end-user to watch it...
You can actually add a typical IP camera and turn-it on with PGM... :cool:

altor

kormesii wrote: »

Hi, Can you explain what kind of problems you have with such system cause I'm about to buy such system (just for tests ) exactly from ebay

To be honest most alarm system on ebay are not up to the Irish EN50131 standards for intruder alarms so in my own view are a waste of money.

What system are you buying off ebay ?

kormesii

I ask about what china manufacturers offers and their problems cause it's too interesting for me what they offer for such low price ... I doubt on their practical use, so I wanna test...
However I intend to buy panel like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Home-Wired-Burglar-Security-Alarm-GSM-IV-SMS-Battery-5D_W0QQitemZ290384025381QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c3c9725
or this one :
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Wired-16-Wireless-Burglar-Alarm-Control-Panel-220V_W0QQitemZ290380394751QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c0530ff
Just for play & test...

But if someone can share experience about such panel will help me a lot...

Also another question :
As far as I know Signet 300 has web interface... Is that interface build-in into the panel (as in DSC TL150) or it is just a possibility for remote programming via web server that communicates with panel (for example in Jablotron products) ?
Regards !

altor

kormesii wrote: »

I ask about what china manufacturers offers and their problems cause it's too interesting for me what they offer for such low price ... I doubt on their practical use, so I wanna test...
However I intend to buy panel like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Home-Wired-Burglar-Security-Alarm-GSM-IV-SMS-Battery-5D_W0QQitemZ290384025381QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c3c9725
or this one :
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Wired-16-Wireless-Burglar-Alarm-Control-Panel-220V_W0QQitemZ290380394751QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c0530ff
Just for play & test...

But if someone can share experience about such panel will help me a lot...

Also another question :
As far as I know Signet 300 has web interface... Is that interface build-in into the panel (as in DSC TL150) or it is just a possibility for remote programming via web server that communicates with panel (for example in Jablotron products) ?
Regards !

Its up to yourself if you want to buy and test these alarms but i would not advise it. You wont see any Irish retailer selling them. The signet can be connected to your modem in your home for remote access to your panel.

KoolKid

kormesii wrote: »

As far as I know Signet 300 has web interface... Is that interface build-in into the panel (as in DSC TL150) or it is just a possibility for remote programming via web server that communicates with panel (for example in Jablotron products) ?
Regards !

The SigNet 300 is way OTT for a domestic application. The SigNet 200ip (220) also have a web server.Also integrates full X10 control along with cause & effect control. In my opinion this is the best out there at the moment.

blog_blog_blog

I contacted an installer. Who veered me away from the signet 220 to a visonics complete panel with 4 PIR and a gsm dialler for €1100 installed. Does this sound expensive.

Koolkid I just say your reply to me there, I will PM you my details now thanks.

KoolKid

Visonics panel is vary basic & dated compared to the features of the Signet. I would not pay €1100 for something so limited.

Jnealon

That's expensive for the Visonic, I do the visonic complete with 4 pirs, two contacts and an external bell for €599. This is good for someone on a tight budget
If the budget permits I would go for the Signet

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Jnealon wrote: »

That's expensive for the Visonic, I do the visonic complete with 4 pirs, two contacts and an external bell for €599. This is good for someone on a tight budget
If the budget permits I would go for the Signet

Is that fitted price? With GSM dialler. Should add that €1100 comes with 1 year monitoring

KoolKid

Still too dear. If your prepared to pay €1100 for that then seriousally consider making up the difference for a good signet system.
There is a vast difference. If you want I can show you a demo of one.
Anyone who Ive shown the SigNet to has never gone for the basic option.

seamuslawless

Hey all,

Has anyone any experience of, or opinions on, the Yale HSA6400 Wireless system?

It has a telecommunication control panel to dial 3 numbers, PIR motion detectors and window/door contact points.

I know its a much cheaper system than the likes of the SigNet 220 so it obviously won't be as good, but just checking if anyone has any feedback on them.

Cheers!

KoolKid

Its cheaper because its junk. Don't touch it. It does not conform to EN standard. Put it like this, if the cheap ones were good all us installer would be using them & making a fortune.:D

seamuslawless

Thanks for the reply Koolkid.

Would you have a recommendation for a reasonably priced wireless system?

KoolKid

It really depens on what you want seamus.
We can usually fit most budgets, But for a decent wirless system with 10 + zones expect €1500+

altor

seamuslawless wrote: »

Hey all,

Has anyone any experience of, or opinions on, the Yale HSA6400 Wireless system?

It has a telecommunication control panel to dial 3 numbers, PIR motion detectors and window/door contact points.

I would stay away from them. As koolkid said they are junk.. Most systems installed today will be able to contact you when the alarm goes off..

altor

blog_blog_blog wrote: »

I contacted an installer. Who veered me away from the signet 220 to a visonics complete panel with 4 PIR and a gsm dialler for €1100 installed. Does this sound expensive.

This can be done alot cheaper, the gsm card goes inside the power max complete. It can also give you remote access to your alarm when your away.

freddy99

Does anybody know if there is a way to program the cs350 so that it will trigger alarm if a certain code (key sequence) is entered on the keypad. I have the install manual and installed it myself, but cannot find this info.
Thanks in advance

KoolKid

Arrow up & arrow down can be programmed as a PA.
You can programme a duress code to send a PA to a monitoring station.
What exactly are you trying to achive?

freddy99

Thank you KoolKid,

Just want a way to use a PA type activation without using a separate PA switch. I see the duress code, but it looks like only for de-activation under duress. I see the option to turn on PA on/off, didn't realize the keys used. It's obvious now that I read the manual again. Thanks again.

kormesii

Hi All,

Cause most of you are vary familiar with Signet panels I have found something very interesting in one of their manuals : According to that manual their eNet bus communicates at speeds up to 307 kbps and that is woooow not easy to believe ! :rolleyes:
As I understand eNet is the system bus where all devices (kbd, sensors etc. ) are connected... My question is is that right and of course do they have some special requirement ? I have look at for more information on their web site but the important guide "Technical manual" unfortunately is password protected :mad:
Most of panels I have look at works typically at RS485 speed 9600 - 19200 and rarely 37k .. But 307... that is a mystery how is possible...

Regards!

suitseir

I have an alarm system but am thinking on the lines of Eircom Phonewatch. Has anybody got any recommendations?

Reps from Eircom were in my area at the weekend, as in Saturdays? Do these people work at the weekends?

altor

suitseir wrote: »

I have an alarm system but am thinking on the lines of Eircom Phonewatch. Has anybody got any recommendations?

Reps from Eircom were in my area at the weekend, as in Saturdays? Do these people work at the weekends?

Hi suitseir,

If you have an alarm in place you should see about bringing the system up to the EN50131 standard, maybe even updating the panel and getting the company to get it monitored by a monitoring station rather than installing a whole new system.

They are from a company called cobra, they are set targets so have to keep there sales up. There sales people sell it well, even if half them dont know much about alarms.

Something they dont tell you is the alarm comes with a dummy external bell box which means if down the road you decide to stop having the alarm monitored and your alarm goes off it will only ring in the house, plus they dont say anything about your phone line that will be used to monitor the alarm. On most houses this is easily cut, which means you may as well not have the alarm monitored as a cut phone line will not ring the monitoring station to alert them your house is being broken into.

suitseir

Thanks for that info.

That is a good idea....getting an upgrade. I will ring the company who installed mine tomorrow and see what is on offer.

Regarding cutting the line.....all cables are underground which I suppose is good but I see where you are coming from regarding the fall-out down the line, so to speak.

altor

suitseir wrote: »

Thanks for that info.

That is a good idea....getting an upgrade. I will ring the company who installed mine tomorrow and see what is on offer.

Regarding cutting the line.....all cables are underground which I suppose is good but I see where you are coming from regarding the fall-out down the line, so to speak.

Your welcome,

Thats good, they are safe enough for you but most houses have a phone line that can be easily cut. No point having the alarm monitored if the line can be cut as the monitoring station wont know about it until they dont receive a test call from the alarm.

dubber

koolkid wrote: »

Pm me your details & I can arrange a quotation & demonstration of a Live SigNet system if you want.
Views IP cameras would be connecting them straight to your network, not via SigNet.
You could however log into your signet on one browser window & view a camera on another at the same time.

Is there an online demo somewhere of this system?

KoolKid

Not that I am aware of.

bauderline

Hi Folks,

Can anyone indicate a supplier that stocks the Signet 300 in or around Dublin ?

I need one in a hurry...

Best regards, Peter.

altor

bauderline wrote: »

Hi Folks,

Can anyone indicate a supplier that stocks the Signet 300 in or around Dublin ?

I need one in a hurry...

Best regards, Peter.

REW
Jamestown Road,
Dublin 11.
01-6527037

munsteradam

Hi,
I have a HKC SecureWatch 8, with additional 4 zone expander, wireless PIR in garage and modem. I had this installed nearly 4 yaers ago and all pretty good. Always liked the text messages when alarm triggered and by what etc. We got rid of our landline 6 months ago and went with Skype for landline etc. Bought a skype dual handset so the PC doesn't need to be on to make and receive calls etc. I would like to get back the text message service for the alarm. I am aware that HKC produce their own GSM dialler that you put a SIM card in but heard this is dear, approx €300 plus, but see a lot of GSM dialers with SIM card holders on Ebay for between €50 and €150. Would these work as a cheaper alternative and has anyone done it?

Cheers.

altor

munsteradam wrote: »

Hi,
I have a HKC SecureWatch 8, with additional 4 zone expander, wireless PIR in garage and modem. I had this installed nearly 4 yaers ago and all pretty good. Always liked the text messages when alarm triggered and by what etc. We got rid of our landline 6 months ago and went with Skype for landline etc. Bought a skype dual handset so the PC doesn't need to be on to make and receive calls etc. I would like to get back the text message service for the alarm. I am aware that HKC produce their own GSM dialler that you put a SIM card in but heard this is dear, approx €300 plus, but see a lot of GSM dialers with SIM card holders on Ebay for between €50 and €150. Would these work as a cheaper alternative and has anyone done it?

Cheers.

The best one for your alarm is the HKC GSM, it can also give you remote access to the alarm for setting and disarming over the GSM. A lot of alarm equipment on e bay is crap so my advice would be to stay away and get the proper GSM installed. It will save you money in the long run

Tim M-U

You should consider BlueFace, (blueface.ie) there a bit cheaper!
Your VOIP provider allows calls via an ATA but you cannot send a text over ATA. You can get your hands on a dialler that phones rather then texts. I may be hard to get your alarm up to standards with this though... I would think of GSM diallers as being out of date very soon, and manufacturers may develop a DIGI that connects to bb, but powering is a problem..
As altor said, the best (at this time) is a GSM dialler..

munsteradam

Thanks Altor and Tim, it seems that the HKC GSM dialler is probably the easiest and most proficient out there, although expensive. Does anyone know where I can buy this hardware? Is this available online or from Alarm companies. Also, I know there was a joint venture between O2 and HKC with this equipment, but presume it would work with any vodafone, 3, meteor SIM as well and can send SMS to any of these carriers etc.

Thanks again for the help and advice.

KoolKid

Most alarm wholesalers will stock or source these diallers.
Where are you living?

munsteradam

Cork. I have the original installation manual so presume I would be able to install and configure myself, with manual for GSM as well.

Thanks.

altor

munsteradam wrote: »

Thanks Altor and Tim, it seems that the HKC GSM dialler is probably the easiest and most proficient out there, although expensive. Does anyone know where I can buy this hardware? Is this available online or from Alarm companies. Also, I know there was a joint venture between O2 and HKC with this equipment, but presume it would work with any vodafone, 3, meteor SIM as well and can send SMS to any of these carriers etc.

Thanks again for the help and advice.

Your welcome,

If you use a ready to go sim registered on line you can top it up and check the credit without opening the unit after installing it.

Here is a link of suppliers, its always best to ring a few and get a price

munsteradam

Had a look at the HKC website and the communications tab, I already have a digi modem for landline (not used now) so not sure if I need the GSM-P or GSM-M to allow text messages to mobile numbers via SIM pay as you go card. Can I use any flavour card, looks like it comes with O2 SIM card. Thanks again.

altor

munsteradam wrote: »

Had a look at the HKC website and the communications tab, I already have a digi modem for landline (not used now) so not sure if I need the GSM-P or GSM-M to allow text messages to mobile numbers via SIM pay as you go card. Can I use any flavour card, looks like it comes with O2 SIM card. Thanks again.

The difference is you get a power supply with the metal GSM. The poly housing GSM is connected to the panel for its back up power. If you have a lot of powered devices then the metal GSM would be used but if you dont the poly GSM will do. 087, 086 or 085 will work with the GSM, just make sure you have a good signal with ever one you use.

munsteradam

Thanks Altor for all your advice, looks like the plastic housing for me....now to get it at the best price...

Cheers.

altor

munsteradam wrote: »

Thanks Altor for all your advice, looks like the plastic housing for me....now to get it at the best price...

Cheers.

Your welcome munsteradam,

Always happy to help

Finne1993

munsteradam wrote: »

Hi,
I have a HKC SecureWatch 8, with additional 4 zone expander, wireless PIR in garage and modem. I had this installed nearly 4 yaers ago and all pretty good. Always liked the text messages when alarm triggered and by what etc. We got rid of our landline 6 months ago and went with Skype for landline etc. Bought a skype dual handset so the PC doesn't need to be on to make and receive calls etc. I would like to get back the text message service for the alarm. I am aware that HKC produce their own GSM dialler that you put a SIM card in but heard this is dear, approx €300 plus, but see a lot of GSM dialers with SIM card holders on Ebay for between €50 and €150. Would these work as a cheaper alternative and has anyone done it?

Cheers.

Many here on Boards have shot down the GSM diallers available on ebay etc but I can only speak from my own experiences, I bought and installed this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GSM-Intruder-Alarm-Auto-Dialler-Uses-Pay-You-Go-SIM-/160432492529?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Burglar_Alarms&hash=item255a858ff1 about a year ago onto my own alarm which is HKC and it took 10-15 mins to install and program it, very simple to operate and works perfectly, all it costs me to run is €20 a year, (Vodafone sim cards need to be topped up with a minimum of €10 credit every 6 months to remain active).
I was told at the time not to touch this and pay the €400 I was quoted for the HKC one, admittedly the sterling rate was a lot better then but you're still saving, I've recommended this dialler to a few friends and none have any issues with it.

altor

Finne1993 wrote: »

Many here on Boards have shot down the GSM diallers available on ebay etc but I can only speak from my own experiences, I bought and installed this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GSM-Intruder-Alarm-Auto-Dialler-Uses-Pay-You-Go-SIM-/160432492529?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Burglar_Alarms&hash=item255a858ff1 about a year ago onto my own alarm which is HKC and it took 10-15 mins to install and program it, very simple to operate and works perfectly, all it costs me to run is €20 a year, (Vodafone sim cards need to be topped up with a minimum of €10 credit every 6 months to remain active).
I was told at the time not to touch this and pay the €400 I was quoted for the HKC one, admittedly the sterling rate was a lot better then but you're still saving, I've recommended this dialler to a few friends and none have any issues with it.

It is good to hear of your good experience with your buy off ebay. Most products bought off ebay are not worth the money people pay.
The difference with the GSM you got and the HKC GSM is you get a detailed message from the HKC one plus you also have remote access to the alarm for arming/disarming. You can also use it for turning on/off lights, heating or even for opening/closing gates. I am not trying to knock the product you bought but there is a lot more to the HKC GSM being used with the HKC alarm.

Finne1993

altor wrote: »

It is good to hear of your good experience with your buy off ebay. Most products bought off ebay are not worth the money people pay.
The difference with the GSM you got and the HKC GSM is you get a detailed message from the HKC one plus you also have remote access to the alarm for arming/disarming. You can also use it for turning on/off lights, heating or even for opening/closing gates. I am not trying to knock the product you bought but there is a lot more to the HKC GSM being used with the HKC alarm.

Yes, very true, if you need the other features you mention you're better off going with the HKC one, I had no need for anything other than monitoring the alarm. Best of luck with your purchase.

KoolKid

It's important to point out at this stage that GSM is no longer a reliable method of monitoring.

altor

Agreed, a well protected phone line is the best way to go.

novice

koolkid wrote: »

It's important to point out at this stage that GSM is no longer a reliable method of monitoring.

altor wrote: »

Agreed, a well protected phone line is the best way to go.

Can either of you guys elaborate on this?

Where we live the phone lines and TV cables go through a white box at the side of each house. Anyone could have both snipped in 10 seconds. Surely jamming a GSM signal would be more difficult?